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bottom line
Roundabout cost less then a stop light controlled intersection.

A second bonus to the city is that cars don't have to stop. Sometimes I believe there is an electric shock attached to brake pedals when pressed.

RE: Quebec Right on Red
I agree people don't obey the rule that one can make a right turn through an intersection, ONLY if the vehicle comes to a COMPLETE stop and it is clear to proceed. We know this never happens, Drivers are only looking left to see if they can slot into the traffic, and then look to the right for a pedestrian, but by then the car is moving forward with the belief that it's clear to go.

So banning Right on Red won't do anything because people will still turn right on red even if it it's illegal? I disagree, it's much easier to enforce. Just try to do it in Quebec, you might make once, twice but almost certainly the third turn you will hear a cop siren. It's enforced and so nobody does it, except Otario drivers.

The other thing worth noting. Quebec traffic lights have no lag between red lights. That is, as soon as the light turns red, the other direction light turn green. You would think that this would cause a lot of accidents. But drivers know this and never run red lights. Watch an intersection in Hamilton when the light turns red at least two/three vehicles will speed through because they know there is a lag time before the other light turns green.

My opinion. Get rid of Right on Red and remove the lag time between red lights.