[fastcarsfreedom]

The timbits do look good--though I will say the switch to "par-baked" goods made and frozen in Brantford and then shipped out to the stores has lessened their appeal. If you want to read a tirade about that, pick up Ron Joyce's autobiography--he really takes Tim Hortons corporate to task for that decision (and regrets selling the business, by the way).

Coalmine--I asked you to find a time when I've been self-righteous or pious--and you didn't. Period. Saying I'm self-righteous for not supporting a ban on Drive-Thrus is a judgement call on your part, which is cool, but doesn't exemplify my supposed piety in this Forum. For the record, I take very little here personally--for instance--I would consider myself neither fat nor lazy, yet I find blanket statements about everyone being fat and lazy to be childish and extraordinarily pious. That's not about things being personal--that's a distaste for empty elitism which does absolutely nothing to advance discussion, understanding or argument.

"Do I need to look up studies to convince you of this? If so, you might as well stop reading now"

For instance, would it have been possible for you to simply state the facts as you see them and present your argument without being condescending? You assume I'm trying to derail the discussion, but I'm not--I'm trying to illustrate that the simple addition of a sentence really makes me want to not care about what you think.

That being said, you make valid points--I'm not arguing that idling cars don't pollute, they do--I'm expressing an opposition to banning Drive-Thrus. There are definitely neighborhoods where Drive Thrus simply don't fit in--I agree with that--and if municipalities want to go about planning initiatives to prevent drive-thrus from popping up in Hess Village for instance--that's fine. The truth is, I'm a daily Tim Hortons customer--and I rarely use the Drive Thru--so if you're assuming this is somehow self-serving--it's really not. At busy times I find it's simply much quicker to go inside and order--for me it's a matter of efficiency to not be sitting in my truck for no reason waiting at the drive thru, when I could be happily down the road, coffee in hand.

Also, if you want your argument to hold some weight, stop using Drive Thrus, immediately.