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urbanboy Jun 30, 2008 6:18 PM

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I agree with you as well Delts!
I want to expound on your point about choice. Utahns have had the choice of a single family detached home for a long time. Although, there haven't been many options for those of us who prefer to live in walkable transit oriented neighborhoods. Now, with a new focus towards sustainability and efficiency, we are seeing more and more choices in transportation and Housing. However, by comparison, the availability of a single family detached home is substantially higher than any other type of housing. It is likely that in Utah, the cumulative of these other options, would not amount to the accessibility of the detached single family home. This is where I see an injustice to society. Furthermore, the resulting sprawl is an injustice to the environment. I think there should be responsible limits and boundaries to the footprint of a city, depending on the environmental makeup of that location, and the population, and avoid having an excessive availability of single family houses (the least sustainable type of housing).

Orlando Jun 30, 2008 7:34 PM

mega suburan/rural developments are evil!
 
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:banana: Wow Steve, Very nice!! I like the design element a lot. I'm also elated to hear that Sorenson is involved. That means BIG money and DEEP pockets, which is something that will carry this project to its fruition. That particular area is very impressive for it's beautiful topography too. I'm just amazed at what is happening to the southern end of Salt Lake Valley, and the northern end of Utah Valley.

You guys confuse me!! :sly: You say you like to see taller skyscrapers in SLC, when it seems like you guys like any new big development anywhere! Any hope of seeing tall skyscrapers like in Louisvill, Omaha, or Des Moines (all cities with comparable or smaller metro populations, but have a focused central downtown core with 40 to 50 story highrises) are with regional urban planning that discourages building further away! C'mon, this huge mega development will further emphasize urban sprawl!!!!!!!!!
It will continue to take away any hope of establishing a great downtown in Salt Lake City. The Proscenium project in Sandy, the Gehry project in Lehi, and this 1 billion$ project in Herrimam????(newly developed suburb as far away in the Salt Lake Valley as you could possibly develop from downtown) are all projects that will not help to boast a vibrant metro core!!!!! What's next???? A huge mega development in Eagle Mountain!!!??!!!:slob: :slob: :slob:

SLC Projects Jun 30, 2008 7:57 PM

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What's next???? A huge mega development in Eagle Mountain!!!??!!!:slob: :slob: :slob:

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That wouldn't surprise me. Every city no matter how big or how small they all want their own "City Center" or "City Core" within their city.
I look at it like a rat race. Each city looks at the other city and tries to develop something bigger or better. Or to at least have something of their own. Every city wants to have something they can show off and say to people "Come spend your money here, we have it." Or live here or bring your business here. It all just comes down to city leaders and developers wanting to make the most out of their buck. All and all development is a business. :yes:
We are starting to see more and more new mix-use developments these days since we now have Trax lines and a frontrunner line going up and down the metro.
The Herrimam project came as a surprise to me, but yet it shouldn't of been since Herrimam is another fast growing city filled with new housing with people who don't really want to have to drive all the way to Sandy or West Jordan to do their shopping or see a movie or whatever. Not these days with gas at $4 a gallon.

urbanboy Jun 30, 2008 9:03 PM

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Yes Projects, I completely agree. I sounds like people are moving out to these places because land is cheeper and housing is more affordable. To counteract this or prevent further sprawl and inefficiency, we need more affordable housing in Downtown Salt Lake City and near mass transit, also people should be constantly reminded to think long term not just short term, when making housing decisions (long term cost analysis vs. short term cost).

i-215 Jun 30, 2008 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Orlando (Post 3644762)
What's next???? A huge mega development in Eagle Mountain!!!??!!!:slob: :slob: :slob:

Actually, it would be an improvement. Right now there is "NO" employment out there, unless you work for City Hall or a school.

Honestly, if I was in the state legislature, I'd require all cities to be "job balanced" within 3-miles radius(s). That means there have to be enough jobs within 3 miles of home developments to sustain the population that lives there.

While it wouldn't prevent commuting, it would give families choices to they can actually live next to their jobs. It also slows sprawl in cases like Eagle Mountain where the city is 100% commuter. It would require the jobs to go in before the houses.

Then it's win-win. Everyone gets their nice slice of suburbia, without the horrible commute.

delts145 Jul 1, 2008 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SLC Projects (Post 3644812)
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That wouldn't surprise me. Every city no matter how big or how small they all want their own "City Center" or "City Core" within their city...
I look at it like a rat race. Each city looks at the other city and tries to develop something bigger or better. Or to at least have something of their own. Every city wants to have something they can show off and say to people "Come spend your money here, we have it." Or live here or bring your business here. It all just comes down to city leaders and developers wanting to make the most out of their buck. All and all development is a business. :yes:
We are starting to see more and more new mix-use developments these days since we now have Trax lines and a frontrunner line going up and down the metro.
The Herrimam project came as a surprise to me, but yet it shouldn't of been since Herrimam is another fast growing city filled with new housing with people who don't really want to have to drive all the way to Sandy or West Jordan to do their shopping or see a movie or whatever. Not these days with gas at $4 a gallon.

A lot of excellent points Projects. Another critical factor, perhaps more bottom-line than any other, is the city having the capacity to collect tax revenue from these commercial/mixed centers. For many decades Murray was the envy of many communities in the Valley. It's centralized location made it a perfect draw for large commercial centers, which in turn collected a hefty tax income for the benefit of its 35,000 plus residents. Those residents all enjoyed some of the most excellent and affordable city services, yet at the same time had one of the lowest property tax levels of any city in the metro. No community, not even an Alpine or Eagle Mtn. a Highland, Herriman or Draper can afford to be solely a bedroom community. The residents demand convenience, as you pointed out, and a tolerable tax burden.

SLC Projects Jul 1, 2008 8:26 PM

Northshore @ Daybreak is now open.
Video Link

UTAZLoVer Jul 1, 2008 9:02 PM

:previous: Very cool! I think I like this third village the best so far! Those Garbett Homes townhomes are pretty cool and kind of toss things up from all the traditional architecture found in the other homes.

arkhitektor Jul 1, 2008 9:20 PM

Thanks for the excellent video. Come to think of it, I think I saw you there over the weekend with your camera :-)

I've spent the better part of my professional life for the past two years developing plans for our townhomes and single family homes at Daybreak, so its nice to see what I do at work each day on the forum.

Let's all go out and buy one of Arkhitektor's townhomes: :tup:

www.hamlethomes.com

delts145 Jul 1, 2008 9:24 PM

:cool: Very cool Projects. Thanks for the tour, also a big hello to the wifey.

Ark, we're going to have to think of a hamlet-related nickname for you. :tup:

urbanboy Jul 2, 2008 12:55 AM

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Let's all go out and buy one of Arkhitektor's townhomes: :tup:

www.hamlethomes.com

Just don't plant a vegetable garden. :haha: We all know the real reason they don't allow residents to swim in the lake.

SLC Projects Jul 2, 2008 6:05 AM

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Thanks for the excellent video. Come to think of it, I think I saw you there over the weekend with your camera :-)

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Yea I was the guy stepping on the flowers while walking along a fence with my camera. :haha:

I really did like the Townhouses. It gives that area of Daybreak more of a Urban feel. While touring some of these homes one of the top complains I was over hearing from people were "it's too small" Like the yards or the bedrooms.

I really do like the daybreak area and what it is becoming. I'm hearing that daybreak will soon have it's own shops and retail. Can't wait to see those come online. :tup:

gbb Jul 2, 2008 5:38 PM

North Shore is definitely pushing density to a different level at Daybreak. It has a much more urban twist to it, and with the street corner shops they are planning in that area it will end up having somewhat of a 9th and 9th feel. The added density will be part of what is driving the costs down and making the rooms smaller. Earlier projections had the total number of homes at Daybreak around 13,000, newer ones are putting that at closer to 20,000. So this new density will be a large part of how that will be accomplished. But as a Daybreak resident, I think it is great to add even more options to a great community.

SLC Projects Jul 3, 2008 5:46 PM

RSL's new live webcam!


Live shot of the new stadium. Most the seats are in and there is green grass.
http://rslstadium.com/webcam.html



Also speaking of RSL if they win tonight they will be in first place of the west. That will be a first for that team. Go RSL!

delts145 Jul 4, 2008 1:06 PM

Gateway in Kearns? - Local leader believes the corner of 5600 West and 4700 South could sprout a Jordan Landing or Gateway mall

http://origin.sltrib.com/ci_9778104

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/liv...~1_Gallery.jpg
Charles Henderson, Chairman of the Kearns Economic and Development Committee, shows a map of the section the Salt Lake County plans to redevelop. (Brenda Morfin/The Salt Lake Tribune )

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/liv...~2_Gallery.jpg
Salt Lake County plans to redevelop the corner of 5600 West and 4700 South where a lot of the property is run down and largely abandoned by its previous industrial owners. Some of the businesses still there are junk yards and auto parts lots. (Brenda Morfin/The Salt Lake Tribune )

Imagine this: a sizzling shopping district in northwest Kearns with department stores, loft housing and maybe a TRAX station along an old railroad line.
It's a difficult image to conjure up these days - especially when standing on the weed-clogged corner of 4700 South and 5600 West, where rust-splotched tracks, an abandoned warehouse and lines of chain-link fence topped with barbed wire have left an industrial stain on the property.
But Charles Henderson, chairman of the township's economic-development committee, believes the 75-acre property someday could sprout another Jordan Landing or Gateway mall - a "destination"-type development that would create jobs and capture tax dollars now slipping out of Kearns.


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delts145 Jul 4, 2008 1:47 PM

Park City - Temple Har Shalom is Park City's first synagogue

http://www.parkrecord.com/scene/ci_9756477

http://www.templeharshalom.com/image...outh_Large.jpg
South Elevation

http://www.templeharshalom.com/images/Elevations_1.jpg

http://www.templeharshalom.com/images/Elevations_2.jpg

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/liv...le_Gallery.jpg


http://www.templeharshalom.com/images/THS_logo.gif


Visit this link for a more detailed photo tour of construction. Also, it gives a better idea of angular features,
at least until the pics are updated on the finished project


http://www.templeharshalom.com/

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i-215 Jul 4, 2008 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by delts145 (Post 3653054)
Gateway in Kearns? - Local leader believes the corner of 5600 West and 4700 South could sprout a Jordan Landing or Gateway mall

http://origin.sltrib.com/ci_9778104


Charles Henderson, Chairman of the Kearns Economic and Development Committee, shows a map of the section the Salt Lake County plans to redevelop. (Brenda Morfin/The Salt Lake Tribune )

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Salt Lake County plans to redevelop the corner of 5600 West and 4700 South where a lot of the property is run down and largely abandoned by its previous industrial owners. Some of the businesses still there are junk yards and auto parts lots. (Brenda Morfin/The Salt Lake Tribune )

Imagine this: a sizzling shopping district in northwest Kearns with department stores, loft housing and maybe a TRAX station along an old railroad line.
It's a difficult image to conjure up these days - especially when standing on the weed-clogged corner of 4700 South and 5600 West, where rust-splotched tracks, an abandoned warehouse and lines of chain-link fence topped with barbed wire have left an industrial stain on the property.
But Charles Henderson, chairman of the township's economic-development committee, believes the 75-acre property someday could sprout another Jordan Landing or Gateway mall - a "destination"-type development that would create jobs and capture tax dollars now slipping out of Kearns.


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Good location ... except the new freeway won't have an exit at 4700 South - but it will pass right by it! :tup:

Makid Jul 4, 2008 7:45 PM

But when they do put BRT and later Trax down 5600, it will have a stop right there :)

Btw, this corner is a 5 min walk from where I currently live.

T-Mac Jul 4, 2008 8:21 PM

Market Station in South Salt Lake.
I drove by this morning and took a couple quick photos.





I am part of a group that does a little hard money lending and this development by Hamlet Homes is something that we are looking at participating in. I had to take some photos this morning for my group so I thought I would share. It is on Plymouth Ave and is called Waverly Station by Hamlet Homes. Right next to the TRAX line and walking distance to the Meadowbrook Station. Here they are.


















arkhitektor Jul 8, 2008 10:33 PM

Thanks for the pictures from Waverly Station. Its always nice to see Hamlet's projects show up on the forum. We also have another townhome community going in a few blocks north of Waverly near the 3300 S. TRAX Station called Huntly Manor. The first building is in framing right now and models will be open later this summer:

http://www.hamlethomes.com/SiteData/...ElevationA.jpg
http://www.hamlethomes.com/communiti...le.aspx?cid=19



Also, it was mentioned earlier on the forum that a Sunflower Farmer's Market was moving into the old electronics store across from Fashion Place. Its open now and I went there to get lunch today. Not quite the variety of products you'll find at Whole Foods, but pretty close, and at prices closer to what you'd find at Wal-Mart. Check it out if you're in the area. I think that they are opening a store in Orem later this year as well:

http://www.sfmarkets.com/logo_images...HRFU4X8L91.GIF
http://www.sfmarkets.com/


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