Looks like Gary finally came to his senses :)

Here's to hoping that 2WTC goes through a major redesign and tops out at 2001' putting this whole 1776' nonsense to bed. Why the hell would a terrorist care about Americas' Independence declaration date anyways - it's empty symbolism at best.

so what the hell? now we're all excited about it being taller and he's still claiming it wont be?


also from the previous page.. that list of all the new supertalls being built.. i totally forgot that 1 Vanderbilt is going to have a 1400 ft + roof height and top our over 1500 ft.. that thing is a damn beast.. no skinny tower there.

I'm so confused...

He flips flops more than a politician.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/8D5S4C.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...et-higher.html

Barnett has given that same statement before, when the last design was leaked. In fact I think that's the same quote. It seems kind of strange the Post would interview him on the same day the new design was leaked.

... and the country's. ;)

Like everyone else here, I'm glad it will be the tallest to the roof/parapet. (I don't care about the spire height. A spire won't keep the rain off my head.)

It says June 2014 for the "new design"

It might be outdated.

I need more confirmation to believe it's really 1530/1795 honestly. It seems mildly too good to be true.

:previous:I noticed that too Zapatan. I thought it was just a typo. Did they mean "New Design. June 2015"?

Guys go with what Nikolai saids aka YIMBY. Believe him, he has the actual info lol. No need for fabrications.

Everything thing is under control! Breath in and out, in and out. Count back from 10 slowly. You'll be alright.

We have seen this concept before in the past. For those who have insider info, its best to trust them... :tup:

It's just a petty move by Barnett. He doesn't care about the 1,776' figure - he uses it to his advantage. In secret he always aimed to go higher, so Nordstrom would end up tallest and no other developer would dare to exceed 1,776'.

This is all a tactic to keep publicity down and to not create hysteria in the architectural/engineering community. All just a tactic of creating an illusion that aims to create confusion but at the same time manipulation. This is working towards his advantage. The less the project is known about, the better because it will allow it to not be in the crosshairs of those who seek to undermine it. Thats really why this secrecy and suspense has been going all along during this design process.

Categorically is a term liars use.

why would there be hysteria in the the architectural/engineering community over this project anyway? i highly doubt that there would be whether is it 10 meters taller or shorter.

I'm going to go out on a limb here's what I think happened:

When Barnett said that Nordstrom Tower wouldn't be taller than the 1WTC he meant it. But somebody else (in other words not Barnett) also had a say in the height of the tower. The architects, someone else at Extell, or maybe even Nordstrom themselves. And although Barnett didn't originally want the tower to be taller than 1WTC, someone else did and because of that the tower will be taller. Just speculation here.

Judging by the quote I posted earlier it was probably something like that. The fact that he apparently said last night that it still wasn't taller is what's weird, maybe he's lying or maybe YIMBY was (probably the first one, YIMBY is usually pretty reliable).

Like Barnett is denying Nordstrom Tower will be taller but its true. Like maybe he's not going to say anything else on the subject.

Sounds like a corporate move to me, gotta win over the competition... :)

Maybe he has not decided yet and will not decide until the building is more than half way done. I think builder of the downtown residential tower that may be 1356 feet has not decided either -- they may be waiting on how sales go before deciding how tall to build.

I think it got a height increase in mid 2014 but it went unnoticed until now but I don't know I love skyscrapers but I don't know that much about how they work.

Well, after 9/11 the skyline was kind of flat (especially Downtown). Of course "flat" in NYC means having a 700 - 800ft plateau which is impressive. But with 1WTC and 432 PA (both 400m+ to the roof) the skyline as a whole gained some serious height and it will only get better.

Since this is OT, I'll stop here. :cheers:

This quote couldn't be any more contradictory... it sounds like he was hinting at other developers not to go higher, but then said that "was" the plan and doesn't know the final building design.

I'm too confused man, you make no sense Barnett.