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Canadian74 Jul 19, 2017 9:05 PM

YUL really lags behind, especially domestically
Maybe less disposable income over there and the french/English division

Should really be 25M+ for a city that size

thenoflyzone Jul 19, 2017 9:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadian74 (Post 7869960)
YUL really lags behind, especially domestically
Maybe less disposable income over there and the french/English division

Should really be 25M+ for a city that size

I agree. We are slowly getting there ! :cheers:

SkahHigh Jul 19, 2017 9:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadian74 (Post 7869960)
YUL really lags behind, especially domestically
Maybe less disposable income over there and the french/English division

Should really be 25M+ for a city that size

It's definitely the french/english division. Anglo canadians and out of Quebec francophones have family everywhere in Canada, Quebecers have family in Quebec. So they don't need to fly to visit.

G.S MTL Jul 19, 2017 9:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadian74 (Post 7869960)
YUL really lags behind, especially domestically
Maybe less disposable income over there and the french/English division

Should really be 25M+ for a city that size

transborder isn't our strongest either. But international we're good..For domestic id say we're OK... and yeah we are heading in the right direction.... if everything goes well by 2020 20 million pax easily.... and if you remove Transborder YUL is Busier than YVR in the international sector.

MalcolmTucker Jul 19, 2017 9:32 PM

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begratto Jul 19, 2017 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker (Post 7869998)
Disposal income is really low in Quebec, Québec ranks last among the provinces.

http://www.stat.gouv.qc.ca/statistiq...n-hab03-13.htm

I don't think quebecers would travel more to Winnipeg, Calgary or Edmonton if they had more disposable income. Most of us just don't' have friends, family or business partners elsewhere in Canada, so we have no need to fly there.

And New York, Boston, Toronto, the US east coast are just a relatively short drive away, so there is less of a need to fly out of YUL to get elsewhere.

zahav Jul 19, 2017 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker (Post 7869998)
Disposal income is really low in Quebec, Québec ranks last among the provinces.

http://www.stat.gouv.qc.ca/statistiq...n-hab03-13.htm

Interesting document, thanks for posting!

GreaterMontréal Jul 19, 2017 11:27 PM

wrong thread

SkahHigh Jul 19, 2017 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by begratto (Post 7870065)
I don't think quebecers would travel more to Winnipeg, Calgary or Edmonton if they had more disposable income. Most of us just don't' have friends, family or business partners elsewhere in Canada, so we have no need to fly there.

And New York, Boston, Toronto, the US east coast are just a relatively short drive away, so there is less of a need to fly out of YUL to get elsewhere.

A good example of this:

Half of my family is from francophone New Brunswick. They're now scattered in Quebec, Ontario, Alberta and BC.

The other half is from Montreal. They all live in Montreal.

Quebecers rarely leave Quebec unless it's for work.

GreaterMontréal Jul 20, 2017 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7870114)
A good example of this:

Half of my family is from francophone New Brunswick. They're now scattered in Quebec, Ontario, Alberta and BC.

The other half is from Montreal. They all live in Montreal.

Quebecers rarely leave Quebec unless it's for work.

most people in Quebec will stay close to their immediate family. most of the time in the same city or region.

Prometheus Jul 20, 2017 1:31 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7869957)

The secondary Australian airports are much busier than their Canadian counterparts. (MEL by 11 million over YVR and BNE by close to 6 million over YUL)

Population wise, Vancouver's counterpart is Brisbane, so YVR is holding up its end.

Truenorth00 Jul 20, 2017 3:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Canadian74 (Post 7869960)
YUL really lags behind, especially domestically
Maybe less disposable income over there and the french/English division

Should really be 25M+ for a city that size

Business travel. Quebec killed its economy with the referendums. And Montreal lost its place as the commercial capital of Canada. The air traffic went with it.

Montreal is much more a regional centre than it is a national and international hub. And as such gets far less traffic.

GreaterMontréal Jul 20, 2017 3:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00 (Post 7870309)
Business travel. Quebec killed its economy with the referendums. And Montreal lost its place as the commercial capital of Canada. The air traffic went with it.

Montreal is much more a regional centre than it is a national and international hub. And as such gets far less traffic.


Montréal-Trudeau consolidates its position as an international hub

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...bringing Montréal-Trudeau's direct destinations to some 140 annual or seasonal flights.
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"With the addition of Lima to its Montreal network, Air Canada is again showing its desire to develop Montréal–Trudeau as a strategic hub,"
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The accelerated growth of our air service confirms Montréal-Trudeau's position as an international hub
http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases...621173603.html

Acajack Jul 20, 2017 3:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00 (Post 7870309)
Business travel. Quebec killed its economy with the referendums. And Montreal lost its place as the commercial capital of Canada. The air traffic went with it.

Montreal is much more a regional centre than it is a national and international hub. And as such gets far less traffic.

Naah that's not true. Toronto-Montreal is the busiest air route in the country and around the 10th busiest in the world for the number of flights. It has more daily flights than NYC-LA, Beijing-Shanghai and Dublin-London.

The main difference is in personal travel, for reasons others have cited.

The witch hunt can be called off.

Acajack Jul 20, 2017 3:48 AM

I've said it before: very few people fly for personal travel within Quebec. Unless they have transferred to or from an international flight at Montreal.

hipster duck Jul 20, 2017 4:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 7870314)
Naah that's not true. Toronto-Montreal is the busiest air route in the country and around the 10th busiest in the world for the number of flights. It has more daily flights than NYC-LA, Beijing-Shanghai and Dublin-London.

The airlines and the airport authorities should really champion HSR. YUL especially, since it's already quite expansion-constrained and because it's located about a kilometer away from the main rail line to Toronto and Ottawa. I wouldn't be surprised if there's at least two YYZ or YTZ-bound flights sitting at YUL gates at any given time of the day - at rush hour I wouldn't be surprised if it's more like 4 to 6.

isaidso Jul 20, 2017 4:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7870114)
A good example of this:

Half of my family is from francophone New Brunswick. They're now scattered in Quebec, Ontario, Alberta and BC.

The other half is from Montreal. They all live in Montreal.

Quebecers rarely leave Quebec unless it's for work.

In most places, vacations are a big driver of traffic. Quebeckers don't seem to do that in big numbers either.

SpongeG Jul 20, 2017 6:37 AM

U.S.-bound travellers to face 'enhanced security measures' at all Canadian airports

Homeland Security says terrorists are pursuing new attack methods targeting commercial aviation

CBC News Posted: Jul 18, 2017 9:01 PM ET Last Updated: Jul 20, 2017 2:19 AM ET

Airline passengers travelling from Canada to the United States will face a new battery of "enhanced security measures" now required by the Department of Homeland Security.

The new measures will be enforced starting July 19 and include:

Enhanced overall passenger screening.
Heightened screening of personal electronic devices.
Increased security protocols around aircraft and in passenger areas.
The use of advanced technology, expanded canine screening and the establishment of additional pre-clearance locations.

WestJet and Air Canada are advising passengers to arrive at the airport at least two hours before their scheduled departure to accommodate the enhanced screening process.

Faster airport security? New automated checkpoints may have you sailing through

Enhanced airport security could end U.S. laptop ban

All electronic devices larger than a smartphone will have to be removed from protective casing and fully charged for potential inspection.

...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...orts-1.4211518

Acajack Jul 20, 2017 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 7870351)
In most places, vacations are a big driver of traffic. Quebeckers don't seem to do that in big numbers either.

They most definitely do. To places like Cuba, DR, Mexico, Florida and Europe.

But not much domestically - which has already been stated as the main source of the difference.

They also don't tend to fly to places like NYC.

p_xavier Jul 20, 2017 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 7870450)
They most definitely do. To places like Cuba, DR, Mexico, Florida and Europe.

But not much domestically - which has already been stated as the main source of the difference.

They also don't tend to fly to places like NYC.

Yes, I don't understand the comment. Quebeckers fly a tons to sun destinations, even low-income ones.


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