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esquire Feb 11, 2020 7:39 PM

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Originally Posted by thurmas (Post 8827982)
XFL ticket pricing seems more affordable than CFL pricing of what the Blue Bombers are asking even for season tickets on a per game basis are a fair bit more expensive.

https://www.bluebombers.com/2020-sea...ckets/#pricing

https://www.xfl.com/teams/seattle/ti...single-tickets

When you factor in the exchange rate, these teams aren't all that far apart from each other. The Bombers have the advantage of 90 years of history and a dedicated fanbase, the Dragons have the advantage of being in a town with a lot of money. But the prices are generally similar.

thurmas Feb 11, 2020 7:59 PM

exchange rate should not factor into this as CFL players are paid in CDN funds and the teams generate revenue in CDN funds.

Berklon Feb 11, 2020 8:35 PM

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Originally Posted by thurmas (Post 8828116)
exchange rate should not factor into this as CFL players are paid in CDN funds and the teams generate revenue in CDN funds.

He's using the exchange rate to give a better comparison of ticket prices and how it effects generating a fan base. How the players are paid doesn't make a difference to fans.

elly63 Feb 11, 2020 9:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Berklon (Post 8828165)
How the players are paid doesn't make a difference to fans.

I wouldn't say that, it seems to be a real big deal to CFL haterz, as they equate that with talent level. Of course that's only the uninformed element. Edit: Sorry, I thought you were referring to the amount, I misunderstood.

As for the XFL, it might behoove us to keep in mind Vince MacMahon has failed at everything non rasslin related ie WBF, ICOPro, wife's election campaigns, XFL Part 1 etc.

As we found out with that last league, whatever the hell it was called, it takes a lotta money to support one of these leagues. It'll be a tough road to hoe for Vinny Mac, we'll see if he has to dip into the wrestlers pockets to help support this like he did with the WBF. The wrestlers weren't happy campers when they found that out.

EpicPonyTime Feb 11, 2020 9:48 PM

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Originally Posted by elly63 (Post 8828284)
As we found out with that last league, whatever the hell it was called, it takes a lotta money to support one of these leagues. It'll be a tough road to hoe for Vinny Mac, we'll see if he has to dip into the wrestlers pockets to help support this like he did with the WBF. The wrestlers weren't happy campers when they found that out.

Vince is in a fundamentally different place financially than we was at the time of the WBF. The WWE went public twenty years ago and Vince can now claim that he is a legitimate billionaire. WWE stock was at something ridiculously high recently and he sold off a big chunk of his stock to fund the new XFL. Unlike last time, this endeavour is completely separate from the WWE and Vince is funding it with his own money (I think to the tune of a few hundred million).

The major difference between the XFL and the AAF is that the former has the money necessary to operate the league for more than a season, where the AAF started with nothing but promises that the money was there.

elly63 Feb 11, 2020 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EpicPonyTime (Post 8828293)
Vince is in a fundamentally different place financially than we was at the time of the WBF. The WWE went public twenty years ago and Vince can now claim that he is a legitimate billionaire. WWE stock was at something ridiculously high recently and he sold off a big chunk of his stock to fund the new XFL. Unlike last time, this endeavour is completely separate from the WWE and Vince is funding it with his own money (I think to the tune of a few hundred million).

The major difference between the XFL and the AAF is that the former has the money necessary to operate the league for more than a season, where the AAF started with nothing but promises that the money was there.

I know the background, but Vince is a greasy dude and this thing is gonna cost a lotta money with some fairly substantial losses expected. Oft times predicted losses are much larger than anticipated. And hope always springs eternal for that big time TV contract (ask MLS). When we look at who had the best shot at it (the USFL) there were a lot of people to share the burden, Vince doesn't have that, and aside from Dick Ebersole, Vince doesn't have a great history of sharing the sandbox.

elly63 Feb 13, 2020 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by elly63 (Post 8826760)
We are just at the beginning of bearing real talented fruit (to mangle a metaphor) Phonsie is not a one off, he's just the start.

Speaking of which, Liam Millar got his first start for Liverpool last week in the FA Cup. Granted the Pool were playing shenanigans fielding a basically reserve team lineup against a League One team, but hey it's a start, and in front of a packed home crowd.

And speaking of the Pool, they are looking at fellow Canadian Jonathan David as well. So are ManU

Jonathan David makes Liverpool FC claim after being tipped to sign for Manchester United
Man Utd have been tipped to make a future move for Gent forward Jonathan David.

Alphonso Davies among top 10 left-backs in the world

Peanuts, in comparison to Alphonso Davies—the Canadian saw his market value grow from €25 million ($27.5 million) to €40 million ($44 million). As a result, Davies is now in the top 10 among the most valuable left-backs on the planet.

“He progressed so much,” RB Leipzig midfielder Tyler Adams said to Transfermarkt about Davies’ development after the Topspiel on Sunday. “Obviously, breaking into Bayern’s team isn’t an easy job so you know whenever you can get on the field be happy with it, keep progressing. He is becoming a top player so I’m happy for him.”

The Canadian has been fantastic for Bayern Munich in the Hinrunde. “Davies has continued his fantastic development in the last few weeks,” Bundesliga Admin Soyen said. “The package of speed and abilities in man-on-man situations, together with his attacking qualities is uncommon internationally.

thurmas Feb 18, 2020 10:51 PM

XFL averaged more than 2.2. million viewers for week 2 of their games. Seattle also drew more than 29,000 fans for their home opener. Pretty sad Seattle can draw that for an XFL game yet just up the road Vancouver sport fans are too snobby to bother supporting the CFL.

https://xflnewshub.com/xfl-news/week...atings-on-abc/

https://247sports.com/Article/XFL-20...cks-143939047/

Berklon Feb 19, 2020 1:22 AM

Surprised XFL Week 2 still had decent ratings. I thought there'd be a huge drop off after Week 1.

While flipping channels I saw the attendance at the Seattle XFL game. I think they were only selling tickets for the lower level excluding the weird detached endzone, and I'd say probably 90% of those seats were filled. Looked good and the crowd was definitely loud.

Not good that only 2 out of the 8 teams are playing in smaller venues. Playing in front of 40k empty seats in a huge stadium just kills the atmosphere.

JHikka Feb 19, 2020 1:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Berklon (Post 8835177)
While flipping channels I saw the attendance at the Seattle XFL game. I think they were only selling tickets for the lower level excluding the weird detached endzone, and I'd say probably 90% of those seats were filled. Looked good and the crowd was definitely loud.

This thread is about Canadian sports so the XFL talk will have to die down, but as a note on this Tampa is only selling 27K tickets for their first game this weekend. I imagine Seattle has a similar limit (or at least, initial limiting).

Berklon Feb 19, 2020 2:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JHikka (Post 8835188)
This thread is about Canadian sports so the XFL talk will have to die down, but as a note on this Tampa is only selling 27K tickets for their first game this weekend. I imagine Seattle has a similar limit (or at least, initial limiting).

I always assumed it was sports attendance, marketing and TV ratings in Canada - not that the sport itself is necessarily Canadian. Isn't the thread title just taken from the now defunct weekly Yahoo article "The Great Canadian Ratings Report" - which gave ratings for sports televised in Canada?

Of course, we haven't talked about XFL ratings in Canada - so I guess we're off topic. So, I'll ask - how's the TV ratings for the XFL in Canada? ;)

Yea, I figured these teams would limit their ticket sales - so all the fans are gathered closer together and it doesn't look as bad... but they're still playing in a stadium much too large for their needs. If they have any hope of surviving, they'll need to improve the game atmosphere by trying to piggy-back off an existing smaller stadium - like an MLS stadium.

Djeffery Feb 19, 2020 4:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Berklon (Post 8835254)
I always assumed it was sports attendance, marketing and TV ratings in Canada - not that the sport itself is necessarily Canadian. Isn't the thread title just taken from the now defunct weekly Yahoo article "The Great Canadian Ratings Report" - which gave ratings for sports televised in Canada?

Of course, we haven't talked about XFL ratings in Canada - so I guess we're off topic. So, I'll ask - how's the TV ratings for the XFL in Canada? ;)

Yea, I figured these teams would limit their ticket sales - so all the fans are gathered closer together and it doesn't look as bad... but they're still playing in a stadium much too large for their needs. If they have any hope of surviving, they'll need to improve the game atmosphere by trying to piggy-back off an existing smaller stadium - like an MLS stadium.

I think that the use of NFL stadiums in Seattle, St Louis (well, former NFL there), New York and Tampa is simply lack of a suitable smaller stadium. Seattle's MLS team plays in the NFL stadium. The MLS stadium in New Jersey would need significant renovations to expand the field for football. Red Bull probably doesn't want to mess with their jewel and probably doesn't feel the money spent to renovate would be worth it anyway. LA is using the MLS stadium that the Chargers just finished using for the last few seasons. Washington is also using an MLS stadium. St Louis and Tampa don't have MLS. Houston looked at the MLS stadium but chose the 40k college stadium because they hope to need the seats. Dallas probably thought the same thing, that the MLS stadium would be too small. They were probably made a deal to use the former baseball stadium which the city planned to keep anyway (where else besides Dallas would you have 3 large stadiums in the same place lol).

Acajack Feb 19, 2020 9:28 PM

Montreal Impact expecting 25-35k at the Big O for Concacaf Champions League game vs Saprissa of Costa Rica next week.

Blue Jays exhibition game tickets are a tough sell in Montréal this year. Only 26k sold so far for both games.

esquire Feb 19, 2020 9:37 PM

^ You can only sustain the novelty of highly priced exhibition games for so long. I remember the first couple NHL preseason games at the then-new MTS Centre were sellouts. But after a couple of years people wised up to the fact that the Tampa Bay Lightning, Arizona Coyotes and the like were lining their pocketbooks with overpriced exhibition games and attendance dropped off.

thurmas Feb 19, 2020 9:46 PM

Baseball is a dying sport not very surprising also the Jays are not expected to be that good this year and the cache of the annual Jays game has lost its luster as it is being done too many times similar to the NHL outdoor games every year.

VANRIDERFAN Feb 19, 2020 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Djeffery (Post 8835352)
I think that the use of NFL stadiums in Seattle, St Louis (well, former NFL there), New York and Tampa is simply lack of a suitable smaller stadium. Seattle's MLS team plays in the NFL stadium. The MLS stadium in New Jersey would need significant renovations to expand the field for football. Red Bull probably doesn't want to mess with their jewel and probably doesn't feel the money spent to renovate would be worth it anyway. LA is using the MLS stadium that the Chargers just finished using for the last few seasons. Washington is also using an MLS stadium. St Louis and Tampa don't have MLS. Houston looked at the MLS stadium but chose the 40k college stadium because they hope to need the seats. Dallas probably thought the same thing, that the MLS stadium would be too small. They were probably made a deal to use the former baseball stadium which the city planned to keep anyway (where else besides Dallas would you have 3 large stadiums in the same place lol).

The XFL field size is the same as the NFL. It'll easily fit inside a soccer pitch.

jonny24 Feb 20, 2020 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN (Post 8836168)
The XFL field size is the same as the NFL. It'll easily fit inside a soccer pitch.

Length might be a problem? 100 yards plus 10 yard end zones is 120 total, and I think soccer is 100 or 105 (not sure metres or yards?).

Hackslack Feb 20, 2020 3:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jonny24 (Post 8836720)
Length might be a problem? 100 yards plus 10 yard end zones is 120 total, and I think soccer is 100 or 105 (not sure metres or yards?).

A soccer field is basically 110 yards long. I know this because of the permanent soccer field markings the field at McMahon

jonny24 Feb 21, 2020 12:47 PM

It's already out there since the season has started, but here's the official release announcing the Toronto Arrows partnering with TSN to broadcast games this year:

https://torontoarrows.com/2020/02/20...media-partner/

JHikka Feb 21, 2020 6:11 PM

TSN has picked up WTA rights from DAZN.

Guess they got tired of their twitter being inundated every tournament by people asking why they weren't showing matches :haha:

thurmas Feb 21, 2020 10:39 PM

I keep encountering so many Jet season ticket holders trying to dump tickets this whole season 2 more times this week at work alone. They just find it way too expensive for booze, food, parking and possible meal before the game. Many have told me they don't even want to see the Jets make the playoffs this season if they are only an 8 seed as they would likely lose in the first round and playoff games are even more expensive. Will not be surprised if Blue Bomber games become the more in thing to do this summer coming off the Grey Cup win, the rapid transit line to the stadium opening this year and the Bombers re-signing Jefferson and Collaros.

Andy6 Feb 21, 2020 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JHikka (Post 8838254)
TSN has picked up WTA rights from DAZN.

Guess they got tired of their twitter being inundated every tournament by people asking why they weren't showing matches :haha:

The “You’ve got five channels and you can’t even put XXX on one of them” people? As though TV networks just randomly send a guy with a camera to whatever event they feel like showing.

Berklon Feb 22, 2020 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy6 (Post 8838678)
The “You’ve got five channels and you can’t even put XXX on one of them” people? As though TV networks just randomly send a guy with a camera to whatever event they feel like showing.

They have unrealistic expectations - no sports channel is going to air porn.

Djeffery Feb 22, 2020 2:07 AM

Bit of twitter storm brewing today over the decision by Rogers to black out Jays games in Canada on the mlb.tv app. Many people bought that for access since they didn't have a TV package, and liked the access to all the other games. Rogers is trying now to push those people to either get a TV package, or to subscribe to Sportsnet Now. I think what's more likely to happen is a large percentage of those people just turning to illegal feeds.

JHikka Feb 22, 2020 1:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Djeffery (Post 8838798)
Bit of twitter storm brewing today over the decision by Rogers to black out Jays games in Canada on the mlb.tv app. Many people bought that for access since they didn't have a TV package, and liked the access to all the other games. Rogers is trying now to push those people to either get a TV package, or to subscribe to Sportsnet Now. I think what's more likely to happen is a large percentage of those people just turning to illegal feeds.

Like they did beforehand anyway, yeah.

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Originally Posted by Berklon
They have unrealistic expectations - no sports channel is going to air porn.

TSN at one point in recent history aired a show about the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders and their calendar shoot. Not far off.

elly63 Feb 22, 2020 7:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Berklon (Post 8838737)
They have unrealistic expectations - no sports channel is going to air porn.

I believe he was referring to the distillation of corn liquor.

Andy6 Feb 22, 2020 8:05 PM

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Originally Posted by elly63 (Post 8839187)
I believe he was referring to the distillation of corn liquor.

Yes, I thought that was obvious.

thurmas Mar 7, 2020 1:32 AM

Vanier Cup 2020 still does not have a home to host this year's CIS football biggest game which is a real shame in how the game has been so shabbily treated by CIS. It used to draw over 30,000 fans like the 2011 classic in Vancouver and now it only draws what 8400 in Quebec City really sad and the TV coverage or lack thereof that CIS football has now is pathetic. I urge Wade Miller and the Blue Bombers to team up with the Manitoba Bisons and host this game at IG field as it is very cheap to get the game rights and would be great for Manitoba and Western Canada to host a Vanier Cup.

https://3downnation.com/2020/03/05/v...-home-in-2020/

EpicPonyTime Mar 7, 2020 2:58 AM

Quebec City doesn't have a 30K seating stadium, but unfortunately the 8K from last year is what happens when you routinely go to the same cities over and over. The appeal of the game washes off even if Laval's football program is the most popular in the country.

I don't see why it would be an impossibility to host it in Regina, which should always have been the plan from the start. At this point, just put it somewhere, and then tie it to the Grey Cup starting next year.

Acajack Mar 7, 2020 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by thurmas (Post 8853666)
Vanier Cup 2020 still does not have a home to host this year's CIS football biggest game which is a real shame in how the game has been so shabbily treated by CIS. It used to draw over 30,000 fans like the 2011 classic in Vancouver and now it only draws what 8400 in Quebec City really sad and the TV coverage or lack thereof that CIS football has now is pathetic. I urge Wade Miller and the Blue Bombers to team up with the Manitoba Bisons and host this game at IG field as it is very cheap to get the game rights and would be great for Manitoba and Western Canada to host a Vanier Cup.

https://3downnation.com/2020/03/05/v...-home-in-2020/

How telling.

isaidso Mar 7, 2020 1:58 PM

It continues to surprise me how U Sports continues to exist on the extreme edges. 70 years ago, the University of Toronto football team had higher average attendance than the NFL (although not by much). Now they're lucky to get 1,000 people to a game and most people in Toronto don't know they even exist. It's shocking how the sport blossomed in the United States yet fell off a cliff in Canada.

The 2 countries are so similar but there are a few areas where things are massively different. Maybe this will lie dormant for many decades still then finally grow into something that mirrors what we see state side.

Berklon Mar 7, 2020 7:21 PM

If the University students don't care enough to support their school's team, I'm not sure why everyone else should care.

esquire Mar 7, 2020 7:24 PM

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Originally Posted by thurmas (Post 8853666)
Vanier Cup 2020 still does not have a home to host this year's CIS football biggest game which is a real shame in how the game has been so shabbily treated by CIS. It used to draw over 30,000 fans like the 2011 classic in Vancouver and now it only draws what 8400 in Quebec City really sad and the TV coverage or lack thereof that CIS football has now is pathetic. I urge Wade Miller and the Blue Bombers to team up with the Manitoba Bisons and host this game at IG field as it is very cheap to get the game rights and would be great for Manitoba and Western Canada to host a Vanier Cup.

https://3downnation.com/2020/03/05/v...-home-in-2020/

At this point I wonder if they should just have a two week gap between the seminals and the Vanier and flip a coin once the two finalists are known to determine where the game should be played. It could draw a decent crowd if it's a home game for someone.

The Vanier Cup could do well in Winnipeg just based on the novelty factor. Assuming the tickets go in the $25-$50 range and not something stratospheric, I'd expect that the game could draw between 10 to 15 thousand fans. Obviously it would be much higher with the Bisons in it, but even having one of the Sask teams in the game would push attendance over 15,000.

It is kind of sad that U Sports does such a lousy job selling the game.

esquire Mar 7, 2020 7:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Berklon (Post 8854143)
If the University students don't care enough to support their school's team, I'm not sure why everyone else should care.

Who said they should?

thurmas Mar 7, 2020 9:29 PM

I think a big problem has been how lousy and non-existent CIS has put any effort and resources to promoting CIS sports. The television coverage has gone down remarkably over this past decade I have never seen any advertising whatsoever by the UofM or UofW here locally in Winnipeg for Bisons or Wesmen Football, Hockey, Basketball or Volleyball if these programs shut down tomorrow I don't know if many people would even be upset. Yet if you drive 2 or 4 hours down Highway 75 to Grand Forks and Fargo ND the sporting culture for UND and NDSU sports is remarkable and really fun to see.

Acajack Mar 7, 2020 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8854147)
Who said they should?

It is true that Canadian university students need not automatically care about U Sports, but it is still odd for them to care a whole lot about UNLV or Wake Forest instead.

Djeffery Mar 8, 2020 4:44 AM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8854145)
At this point I wonder if they should just have a two week gap between the seminals and the Vanier and flip a coin once the two finalists are known to determine where the game should be played. It could draw a decent crowd if it's a home game for someone.

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I think the problem would be that U Sports wants it to be played in a venue that looks at least respectable on TV. It isn't going to have that "event" feel if it's played in the vast majority of home fields. You would at the very least need to pick the nearest larger stadium, and if Halifax gets their stuff together, you could at least have a decent regional coverage for that.

esquire Mar 8, 2020 4:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 8854307)
It is true that Canadian university students need not automatically care about U Sports, but it is still odd for them to care a whole lot about UNLV or Wake Forest instead.

Maybe things have changed since my days as a Canadian university student that ended in 2005, but to my recollection, no one really paid all that much attention to university sports of any kind.

When it came to the American stuff, I guess some basketball fans would get into March Madness with their brackets and all, but no one was really a fan... just engaging in more of a fun game with others. Also, some hardcore football guys kept tabs on NCAA football. But beyond that there wasn't much discernible interest in NCAA sports.

The only time you'd see much noticeable interest in the home teams was at playoff time. The University of Manitoba would get at least somewhat excited for football, while the University of Alberta would get excited for hockey. The University of Winnipeg would get excited for basketball since that was (and is) their highest profile sport but the U of W is not a place that cares about sports all that much to begin with despite historically punching well above their weight when it comes to volleyball and basketball.

When it came to sports in university, I think the lingua franca was the NHL as well as football (both CFL and NFL). If you heard about sports, it was generally about the pros.

elly63 Mar 8, 2020 7:01 PM

Watch U Sports Final 8 men's basketball championships
Live coverage continues Sunday at 2:00 p.m. ET
CBC Sports March 04 2020

I posted this earlier but what might be the best kept secret is how CBC is streaming all these sports events like they did in the "olden" days on SportsWeekend. There's tons of stuff there.

elly63 Mar 8, 2020 10:44 PM

Mayor disappointed about cancellation of women's hockey championships
Halifax Mayor Mike Savage says he's disappointed but understands the IIHF's decision
Victoria Walton Halifax Today March 8 2020

On Saturday, the International Ice Hockey Federation announced that the 2020 Women's World Hockey Championships would be cancelled.

The tournament was set to take place in Halifax and Truro beginning March 31.

"It's very disappointing but I think very understandable under the current environment and public health comes first," Savage tells NEWS 95.7.

The HRM Mayor says he wasn't directly involved in the decision, but he found out yesterday before the news was released to the public.

"To the organizers, the fans, it's disappointing but I don't think there was any other decision that could be made," Savage says.

Over the past year-and-a-half, the Mayor says the team behind the tournament has put a lot of work into organizing it.

"The city was really pumped up for it," he says. "The organizing committee and folks like Carrie Cousins at Events East had done a tremendous amount of work. Hockey Canada, Hockey Nova Scotia, a lot of volunteers put a lot of time into this and it would've been an awesome event."

Savage says the tournament will return to Halifax next year in 2021, which was also indicated in a release by the IIHF yesterday.

"In this case, I'm just glad that we're going to have a chance, it looks like, to do the hockey tournament next year and we'll do a great job," he adds.

Although coronavirus hasn't been identified in Nova Scotia yet, the Mayor says lots of preparations are being made in Halifax and around the province.

"I don't think that we've hit the peak of this COVID-19 virus, so everybody has to be particularly careful," says Savage.

In Halifax, no other major events have been cancelled, but international travel is being discouraged.

"People are being very cautious but so far I don't think a huge amount of things have been cancelled," he adds. "But I know a lot of organizations including HRM are taking steps to be ready in the case -- and the likelihood frankly that we will have cases here."

thurmas Mar 8, 2020 11:14 PM

France just cancelled all public gatherings over a 1000 people. Will be telling if NHL and NBA playoffs are played with no fans and if MLB will be affected in April. I also wonder if the Bundesliga and English Premiere league may have to shut er down soon too.

Acajack Mar 9, 2020 1:03 PM

The Carleton Ravens won the U Sport men's basketball championship last night in Ottawa, over Dalhousie. It was the Ravens' 9th championship in the past 10 years. And their record 15th title overall.

Attendance was 4100 at TD Place (Civic Centre) which seats around 10,000 and is the home of the OHL-CHL Ottawa 67's.

From what I gather the event was heavily promoted on social media (saw lots of ads on Facebook) but I dunno about traditional media coverage.

I haven't paid much attention to Ottawa anglo media recently, but from what I can see from searches they barely talked about it in the lead-up to the tournament.

Even today coverage is fairly light except for the odd "Oh yea, BTW Carleton won".

(Nothing really new about that level of coverage, though.)

esquire Mar 9, 2020 1:34 PM

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Originally Posted by elly63 (Post 8854781)
Watch U Sports Final 8 men's basketball championships
Live coverage continues Sunday at 2:00 p.m. ET
CBC Sports March 04 2020

I posted this earlier but what might be the best kept secret is how CBC is streaming all these sports events like they did in the "olden" days on SportsWeekend. There's tons of stuff there.

I saw this too late. Streaming is always a case of out of sight, out of mind for me.

VANRIDERFAN Mar 9, 2020 1:36 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8855336)
I saw this too late. Streaming is always a case of out of sight, out of mind for me.

Still basically friends and family. CBC broadcasted the tournement on their GEM streaming site which is nice but TSN/Sportsnet basically had very little presence.

The local Regina radio station was talking to Arash Midani of Sportsnet about the lack of USports coverage. He said it is all about ROI. It is far cheaper to buy the ESPN feed of NCAA games than to send out a crew to a random Canadian University to show the games. In the end its a chicken and egg thing, no interest, no sponsors, no advertising, no coverage. Student and local interest, full stadiums, great atmosphere equal sponsors, advertisers and coverage.

thurmas Mar 9, 2020 1:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 8855322)
The Carleton Ravens won the U Sport men's basketball championship last night in Ottawa, over Dalhousie. It was the Ravens' 9th championship in the past 10 years. And their record 15th title overall.

Attendance was 4100 at TD Place (Civic Centre) which seats around 10,000 and is the home of the OHL-CHL Ottawa 67's.

From what I gather the event was heavily promoted on social media (saw lots of ads on Facebook) but I dunno about traditional media coverage.

I haven't paid much attention to Ottawa anglo media recently, but from what I can see from searches they barely talked about it in the lead-up to the tournament.

Even today coverage is fairly light except for the odd "Oh yea, BTW Carleton won".

(Nothing really new about that level of coverage, though.)

Carleton has played and been very competitive with some of the major basketball powerhouses in the NCAA like Kansas yet no one probably even knows this in the Ottawa market let alone Canada.

Acajack Mar 9, 2020 2:18 PM

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Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN (Post 8855337)
Still basically friends and family. CBC broadcasted the tournement on their GEM streaming site which is nice but TSN/Sportsnet basically had very little presence.

The local Regina radio station was talking to Arash Midani of Sportsnet about the lack of USports coverage. He said it is all about ROI. It is far cheaper to buy the ESPN feed of NCAA games than to send out a crew to a random Canadian University to show the games. In the end its a chicken and egg thing, no interest, no sponsors, no advertising, no coverage. Student and local interest, full stadiums, great atmosphere equal sponsors, advertisers and coverage.

There is probably a warning in there for the CFL too.

Though admittedly it's on somewhat safer ground due to a major player (TSN) having invested so much in it as a property, and fan interest even if not spectacular and a bit shaky, is still a proven quantity.

elly63 Mar 9, 2020 3:16 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8855336)
Streaming is always a case of out of sight, out of mind for me.

Same here (in regards to the website).

I''m an old time cord cutter and I use Kodi (legally), yes, you can do that and get most content you want :)

I think it would be a good addition for most people and the CBC GEM and CBC Sports addons are great. Every Saturday I look at the CBC Sports addon to see what is going on. You can catch a whole lotta things there like CPL, Rugby 7s, all of the winter sports, and all the hockey in HD on CBC GEM.

Just yesterday I was wondering if anyone had any interest in this and maybe I would start a thread.

Acajack Mar 9, 2020 3:23 PM

I also only learned this morning that the Brier was this weekend. The only reason I heard about it is that my local Radio-Canada morning man is a curling geek. He talked about it himself - it wasn't even part of his sports dude's morning rundown of results from the weekend.

Now this isn't unusual because francophone media don't cover curling much at all.

I did notice while channel surfing this weekend that there was curling on one of the sports networks, but did not stop there and it didn't clue in for me as there is often curling on that isn't the Brier - men's, women's, mixed, the XYZ Cup, skins game, etc.

All in all the Brier seemed to be extremely low profile in terms of the national media - even in English. I flipped a lot between the half-dozen news channels I subscribe to over the weekend and neither of the CTV or CBC news channels seemed to mention the Brier in any of their sports segments.

I did not watch TSN SportsCentre last night so not sure how early in the broadcast they mentioned Gushue's Brier win. I am sure it was there somewhere (it's their "property" so they kinda have to) but on the SportsCentre homepage early this morning you had to scroll down pretty far in order to see it. Below lots of speculative stuff about the Raptors, NHL and even the Blue Jays. I highly doubt Sportsnet devoted much attention to it at all.

le calmar Mar 9, 2020 3:28 PM

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Originally Posted by elly63 (Post 8855474)
Same here (in regards to the website).

I''m an old time cord cutter and I use Kodi (legally), yes, you can do that and get most content you want :)

I think it would be a good addition for most people and the CBC GEM and CBC Sports addons are great. Every Saturday I look at the CBC Sports addon to see what is going on. You can catch a whole lotta things there like CPL, Rugby 7s, all of the winter sports, and all the hockey in HD on CBC GEM.

Just yesterday I was wondering if anyone had any interest in this and maybe I would start a thread.

Isn't Kodi a "gray" market thing though? Not necessarily illegal at this time but could very well be in the future. I am not familiar with Kodi and there is no way I am going to hook up my computer to watch TV (I think that's how you do it?). Streaming sports illegaly is such a pain I stopped bothering a while ago. I subscribed to IP TV with my internet package with one of the smaller, low-cost providers. No contracts, half the price of Rogers/Bell.

esquire Mar 9, 2020 3:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 8855484)
I also only learned this morning that the Brier was this weekend. The only reason I heard about it is that my local Radio-Canada morning man is a curling geek. He talked about it himself - it wasn't even part of his sports dude's morning rundown of results from the weekend.

Now this isn't unusual because francophone media don't cover curling much at all.

I did notice while channel surfing this weekend that there was curling on one of the sports networks, but did not stop there and it didn't clue in for me as there is often curling on that isn't the Brier - men's, women's, mixed, the XYZ Cup, skins game, etc.

All in all the Brier seemed to be extremely low profile in terms of the national media - even in English. I flipped a lot between the half-dozen news channels I subscribe to over the weekend and neither of the CTV or CBC news channels seemed to mention the Brier in any of their sports segments.

I did not watch TSN SportsCentre last night so not sure how early in the broadcast they mentioned Gushue's Brier win. I am sure it was there somewhere (it's their "property" so they kinda have to) but on the SportsCentre homepage early this morning you had to scroll down pretty far in order to see it. Below lots of speculative stuff about the Raptors, NHL and even the Blue Jays. I highly doubt Sportsnet devoted much attention to it at all.

The Brier is pretty prominent in Manitoba and I'm guessing most of the prairies. If you consume any kind of general local sports news (i.e. read the local papers, listen to local radio, watch local TV) there is no way you could miss it. I guess it helps that the Winnipeg Free Press often assigns one of its more prominent young reporters with a major social media presence (Melissa Martin) to the curling beat... she probably does more to expose the under 40 crowd to curling than anyone else in the province, except maybe Devin Heroux of the CBC.

It honestly feels like everyone's mom and dad watches the Brier and Tournament of Hearts even if they aren't curlers. Even my oldest kid who is obsessed with playing hockey stopped to watch curling on TV.

As far as TSN goes, when I had Sportscentre on last night, if I recall correctly they covered the Brier right after the NHL highlights. They didn't spend a ton of time on it, just showed the big highlights, a word or two from the winner (incidentally Gushue seems to have no discernible NL accent, I thought everyone there pretty well sounds like an Irishman now ;) ), flash the stats, move on. Curling coverage is fairly rare on Sportscentre, TSN does a ton of curling but it tends to be pretty standalone... Sportscentre doesn't spend that much time on it. No Craig Button equivalent breaking down the shots in the 6th end for 10 minutes, that type of thing.

As for SN, I have no idea... I don't think I've ever watched Sportscentral longer than the amount of time it took me to find the remote and change the channel.


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