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Nv_2897 Mar 10, 2019 6:21 AM

Credit to Scott Finn and Associates for the photos and renderings: https://www.scottfinnhomes.com/great-things-happening-to-expand-and-enhance-downtown-san-diego/
Hopefully they will be able to keep up with the timeline, I hope they are also able to preserve some elements of Horton in the new campus. I also noticed that the towers may have potential to create more density in the skyline
https://i.imgur.com/W3Zkdaw.png
https://i.imgur.com/JgerFHe.png
https://i.imgur.com/ONtw7cG.png
https://i.imgur.com/BitOFib.png

sixonenine Mar 11, 2019 2:07 AM

since we do have that 500 ft limit in downtown i think it would be cool to take that and run with it throughout the city. like can you imagine 500 footers surrounding balboa park since there is transit all around balboa park. plus many cities don't have super talls and still have nice skylines, like vancouver and sao paolo most of their buildings are in the 500's. also city heights deserves some attention especially since its an immigrant/ low income community there is a need for affordable housing and i can already see the hillcrest/north park gentrification starting to if not already leaking into city heights.:???:

Streamliner Mar 11, 2019 4:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Will O' Wisp (Post 8500422)
Seriously. Being the skyscraper buffs we are there's a tenancy for this thread to focus on downtown, but DTSD is comparatively tiny compared to the rest of the city. Adding loads of affordable multi-family housing in North Park, Uptown, Mission Valley, and UTC will do far more to alleviate our housing crisis than attempting to cram absolutely everyone into downtown (which has a practical capacity of 150-200k, or roughly 3-4x what it has now)

A lot of other cities have multiple threads on this forum for different neighborhoods, but sadly San Diego doesn't have enough interested users. Whenever Vol. 3 of this thread comes out, I say we take out the "Downtown Boom Rundown" part out of the title and advertise it for all of SD County (and TJ too since I find their development interesting). Anything to curate more discussion :)

Will O' Wisp Mar 11, 2019 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Streamliner (Post 8501826)
A lot of other cities have multiple threads on this forum for different neighborhoods, but sadly San Diego doesn't have enough interested users. Whenever Vol. 3 of this thread comes out, I say we take out the "Downtown Boom Rundown" part out of the title and advertise it for all of SD County (and TJ too since I find their development interesting). Anything to curate more discussion :)

I mean I completely support this notion but, ummm...

https://i.ibb.co/ZS3vr64/SAN-Thread-Title.jpg

SDCAL Mar 13, 2019 5:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Nv_2897 (Post 8500894)
Credit to Scott Finn and Associates for the photos and renderings: https://www.scottfinnhomes.com/great-things-happening-to-expand-and-enhance-downtown-san-diego/
Hopefully they will be able to keep up with the timeline, I hope they are also able to preserve some elements of Horton in the new campus. I also noticed that the towers may have potential to create more density in the skyline
https://i.imgur.com/W3Zkdaw.png
https://i.imgur.com/JgerFHe.png
https://i.imgur.com/ONtw7cG.png
https://i.imgur.com/BitOFib.png

Thanks for posting this rendering. Are they not going to touch the exterior buildings along fourth? Obviously I know balboa theater will remain as that has historical significance and was recently spruced-up, but the other buildings look untouched. Also, aren’t those where the parking structure enters?

I was hoping (and I thought part of the point) of updating HP was to open it up more to street traffic, but if they are going to keep that wall of crap along 4th I’m not really seeing the vision.

Steadfast Mar 13, 2019 6:11 AM


Totally agree... That stretch along 4th needs some serious rethinking. It's pretty dreadful.

Does that tower on the south side of the development look like it's replacing the current parking garage? Anything to address the back side of the mall would be huge.

Streamliner Mar 13, 2019 4:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Will O' Wisp (Post 8502320)
I mean I completely support this notion but, ummm...

https://i.ibb.co/ZS3vr64/SAN-Thread-Title.jpg

Haha, you're right, but I associate the "boom" in the thread title with downtown, specifically the mid-2000s downtown boom from the original thread.

JerellO Mar 13, 2019 7:21 PM

I actually like that they kept the buildings along 4th ave. It creates that intimate urban street wall that is common in older cities that we don’t really have here in San Diego. Think 7th street in Los Angeles, or Market street in San Francisco.

I think what they meant about opening up HP was inside the mall, as with its current design is a huge cluster fuck of zigzagging paseos and bridges. I’m thinking they want to create a space where you can see from end to end, northeast corner of HP to the southwest corner, without any obstructed views. That alone will already open it up dramatically.

SDfan Mar 13, 2019 7:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steadfast (Post 8503897)

Totally agree... That stretch along 4th needs some serious rethinking. It's pretty dreadful.

Does that tower on the south side of the development look like it's replacing the current parking garage? Anything to address the back side of the mall would be huge.

I don't think they can change the 4th Ave buildings. They're separate apartment complexes built after the mall which cover the parking garages.

Steadfast Mar 16, 2019 6:03 AM


That's a bummer. 4th could be so much nicer & pedestrian friendly than it currently is.
Hopefully this new development will at least try to address the malls street facing sides.

eburress Mar 16, 2019 5:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Steadfast (Post 8507834)

That's a bummer. 4th could be so much nicer & pedestrian friendly than it currently is.
Hopefully this new development will at least try to address the malls street facing sides.

I agree. The rest of the project seems like a big improvement, but the stuff facing 4th was in my opinion the big transformative opportunity, and to not touch it is an opportunity wasted. Bummer for that, but the rest is exciting.

Nv_2897 Mar 17, 2019 9:30 PM

Maybe that area would be reserved for phase 2 of the project?

SDCAL Mar 19, 2019 4:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nv_2897 (Post 8508992)
Maybe that area would be reserved for phase 2 of the project?

There’s a phase two?

On a more positive note, park and market is looking really good. It’s already transforming that area and hasn’t topped out yet. I’ll try to get some pics

Steadfast Mar 19, 2019 5:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 8510554)
There’s a phase two?

On a more positive note, park and market is looking really good. It’s already transforming that area and hasn’t topped out yet. I’ll try to get some pics

Agreed. It's really going to transform that stretch of downtown.
Anyone know the height of the tower... off the top of their head? I don't feel like downloading the PDF from CivicSD site.

Urbannizer Mar 19, 2019 9:53 PM

https://caydonproperty.com/us/proper...reet-san-diego

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/0...000_s_4_2.webp

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/0...528_s_4_2.webp

eburress Mar 19, 2019 10:21 PM

^^ Ooooh!

gantcalifornia Mar 20, 2019 2:22 AM

https://caydonproperty.com/us/proper...reet-san-diego
 
This is how a sophisticated city develops. It respects its history, offering a layered cityscape that preserves the past, and showcases the future.

superfishy Mar 20, 2019 4:15 AM

Reaaaaaallly love that design

HurricaneHugo Mar 20, 2019 6:00 AM

Park & Market:

https://i.imgur.com/f2hkSJ4.jpg?1

Will O' Wisp Mar 20, 2019 6:55 AM

More airport updates!

Talks over how to connect the airport to public transit have been... happening. There isn't widespread agreement on much yet, even basic concepts like mode or connections to the wider system. Here's where we're at right now:

https://i.imgur.com/G6CAkUH.jpg
Most of the concepts focus on a transit plaza in this area, replacing a portion of the new T1 parking structure. Modes that can't share ROW with autos won't be able to run E/W along the south side of the terminals without causing access issues so all systems with dedicated ROW will need to dead end here with a single station roughly equidistant between the two terminals.


https://i.imgur.com/hJCx3dd.jpg
This is the first concept, using a shared ROW with auto traffic. The system would start out with shuttles similar to the existing rental car shuttle, which could feasibly be replaced with automated vehicles at a later date. It has the distinct advantage of primarily utilizing existing/planned roadway infrastructure, which would make it significantly cheaper than the other options, and is the only system that could realistically offer service to both terminals separately. The disadvantage is that transit vehicles would need to share space (and traffic) with autos in the terminal area, slowing down service. All the further concepts have dedicated ROW.


https://i.imgur.com/hDfmqAF.jpg
This is the first concept for dedicated ROW, connecting to either one of the nearby trolley stations trolley station, the proposed San Diego Grand Central Station at SPAWAR, or the Santa Fe Depot around the eastern edge of the airport with an APM. Flexibility is an advantage of this option, being the only one that can connect to all of the proposed transit centers. Disadvantages include the curvy up and down route (necessitated by the need to dodge under landing aircraft and over N Harbor Dr to stop on Harbor Island) and need to cross a fault line on the north side of the airport.


https://i.imgur.com/fZum0KD.jpg
This concept proposes swinging the other way around the airport, west through Liberty Station. Big advantage here is directly connecting the airport with an area dense with hotels and other tourist attractions. Disadvantage is the longer route and potential community concerns with running the ROW through/next to residential areas.


https://i.imgur.com/ZiZnQBr.jpg
The undisputed king of dedicated ROWs, this option would directly connect the terminals with the proposed San Diego Grand Central Station with a tunnel underneath the runway and the MCRD. Advantages here are extremely low transit times and potentially lower construction impacts. Disadvantages are the extreme difficulty of trying to construct a tunnel through wet silt, far below sea level. While you're underneath a critical piece of transportation infrastructure that cannot under absolutely any circumstances be allowed to subside even by a matter of millimeters, as this could cause cracks in the runway that would shut down the entire airport. There isn't a detailed estimate of costs yet, but I'd expect this option will be billions of dollars more expensive any of the others because of these issues. Also, the Marines have expressed some concerns with the idea of having thousands of airline passengers a day traveling underneath their secure military facility.


https://i.imgur.com/uAalQF6.jpg
The direct trolley connection option. This could be connected to either the Blue Line or the Green Line, or both. No one is going to argue with the advantages that offering trolley passengers a one seat ride to the airport would offer. The huge disadvantage is that compared to an APM the trolley turns like an alcoholic cow on ambien. The connection structure will take up two whole blocks in Little Italy (which are currently a gas station and a parking lot though) and may require temporary closures of some or all transit coming into Santa Fe Depot and Pacific Highway. The Coast Guard will also need to agree to give up a portion of their base fronting Harbor Dr and agree to be cut off from the street for periods of time (as consolation they could have their own trolley stop).


https://i.imgur.com/0ilqA6z.jpg
And finally, Gondolas. Kooky idea as it might sound there is some sense behind this, gondolas are the cheapest method of providing dedicated ROW and the least impactful to traffic on the ground. But there are some doubts about the capability of the system to handle the expected traffic loads. With those elevated tower traveling north to the proposed Grand Central is impossible, and SANDAG is very firm that the Santa Fe Depot doesn't have the station space to make it feasible for North County residents make a connection from the Coaster. To explain a little further, with only four tracks the Depot won't be able to handle the required Coaster headways of 5-10 minutes SANDAG says would be necessary to get North County residents out of their cars (this is also their issue with connecting an APM to the Depot).


So, what do you think is the best choice?


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