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I think the bigger issue is that the CFL shouldn't be giving exclusivity over TV and streaming to one provider. I get why they do, but young people simply aren't spending 20 bucks a month for TSN Direct. They need either a cheaper option, or for something like DAZN to include the CFL where the service's other offerings help justify the price. |
12,498 for Argos attendance tonight I guess its an improvement over last year ugh
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DAZN I pay monthly for when the 6 nations is on, tried keeping it for NFL one year and could never remember to watch so now I don't bother. |
https://montrealgazette.com/sports/s...saputo-stadium
Stu Cowan: CF Montréal struggling to attract fans at Saputo Stadium Ranks 25th out of 28 teams in Major League Soccer attendance and only 13,520 showed up Saturday night to watch 2-1 win over Charlotte FC. It was a gorgeous summer Saturday night at Saputo Stadium. The sun was shining and the temperature was 28C for the 7:30 p.m. kickoff between CF Montréal and Charlotte FC on the St-Jean-Baptiste holiday weekend. That was the good news for local soccer fans, along with a 2-1 victory for CF Montréal. The bad news is only 13,520 were in attendance, well short of the capacity of 20,801 at Saputo Stadium. Heading into the game, CF Montréal ranked 25th out of 28 teams in Major League Soccer attendance — according to Soccer Stadium Digest — with an average of 13,950. The only teams below them were the Colorado Rapids (13,864), the San Jose Earthquakes (13,132) and Inter Miami FC (12,614). Atlanta United FC ranked first in attendance with an average of 45,776 and 11 teams were averaging more than 20,000 fans per game. CF Montréal improved its record to 8-6-2 with Saturday night’s win, including a 5-3-0 record at home. Romell Quioto (sixth minute) and Mathieu Choinière (47th) scored for CF Montréal, while Guzmàn Corujo scored for Charlotte FC. The small crowd highlighted again how Montreal is a great Canadiens city and a great event city, but not necessarily a great sports city. Last Sunday’s Formula One Canadian Grand Prix — the first big event of the Montreal summer — was a sellout, attracting a record 338,000 fans over the three-day event, plus the open house. But one weekend later, on a gorgeous summer evening, less than 14,000 showed up at Saputo Stadium. You have to wonder if the Canadiens playing in a charity soccer game might attract more people. The Alouettes played their Canadian Football League home opener Thursday night at Molson Stadium, beating the Saskatchewan Roughriders 37-13 in front of 16,027 fans on a rainy night at Molson Stadium, which has a capacity of 25,012. The Alouettes improved their record to 1-2. Earlier this month, Alouettes owner Gary Stern spoke passionately at the Montreal Sports Celebrity Breakfast about how much the team and the CFL mean to him and how he was going to work hard to get fans to fill Molson Stadium. He has also been very active on Twitter recently, trying to connect with fans and asking for suggestions. “Hey Alouette fans,” Stern tweeted Friday. “We are looking hard at increasing family zone and family specials. Want to make coming to a game family entertainment. Tell me what is it you want the most when you go to a game. Thank you.” He also tweeted: “To the I like football, but need to be entertained, what can we do for you to party with us. Love your thoughts.” And: “To the hardcore football fan. How can we get you more involved in the game. Please your thoughts very welcome.” The COVID-19 pandemic and inflation haven’t helped CF Montréal or the Alouettes when it comes to attracting fans, but it certainly didn’t hurt the Grand Prix or tickets to next month’s NHL Draft at the Bell Centre, which sold out quickly. “Inflation is skyrocketing, gas prices are what they are and people’s discretionary income has gone down,” Impact owner Joey Saputo said in a recent interview with the Journal de Montréal. “People will think twice before spending a dollar and they will cut the soccer ticket first. I know it will be difficult for the next few years.” Saputo added the key now is to make sure the fans who are showing up at Saputo Stadium have fun and then focus on attracting more fans in the future. Montreal fans had fun Saturday night, including members of the Ultras fan club who returned to Section 132 directly behind one of the nets for the first time since the team changed its name from Impact to FC Montréal in January 2021. The Ultras still aren’t happy with the name change and had a big “Impact Montréal” sign draped over the front of their section and held up signs early in the game that read: “Pour toujours on chantera ton nom Impact!” (Forever we will sing your name Impact!) It was back in 1993 that former Montreal Gazette sports columnist Michael Farber wrote about soccer in the city, noting: “Kids play until they are old enough to drive. After they get their licences, the last place they think of driving to is a soccer field.” Kids in Montreal still love soccer — just look at all the pitches around the city and in the suburbs — and CF Montréal still can’t fill Saputo Stadium. The biggest problem might be a case of Habs-itis in the city. Montreal sports fans can’t seem to get enough of the Canadiens, even though they finished last in the NHL standings this season. The Habs-itis will only get worse this summer with the NHL Draft slated for July 7-8, followed by the free-agency period that begins on July 13. Meanwhile, CF Montréal and the Alouettes will keep working hard to put people in the seats at their stadiums. The best way to do that at this point is to keep winning games — and hope Habs-itis might wear off a bit. |
Cowan sort of glosses over it but there's been a major disconnect between CF Montreal's owner and the supporters groups over the past few seasons, particularly in regards to the team's rebranding, which the SGs were not really consulted on. The club has been flip-flopping back and forth for a while now and has to show better commitment to its fans before people start going back to the stadium in larger numbers. Soccer fans are more willing to boycott matches over things like this compared to other franchise sports locally, which partly explains the lacklustre crowds.
This article seems counter to the recent Zurkowsky article this week highlighting the Alouettes' struggles and how the team at one point was down to just 3K season-ticket holders. They're back up to somewhere between 5-6K now under Stern and Cecchini, and claim that all of the people attending the Als match on Thursday paid to enter, as opposed to past seasons where many would be free tickets given out. I think it's obvious what the owner is trying to do when he speaks to media/tweets out things like they're going to 'kill the Argos' in their opener in an attempt to generate media attention and clicks. Seems like a miss and a bit of a desperate play. Montreal is an iffy sports city, though. Better for one-off events than for clubs, unless they're Canadiens. |
The vast majority of the Impact's games are on weekends so the impact on attendance as a result of being "far from downtown" should be minimal, and not like the Expos, who played the majority of their games on weekdays.
I said it before and I will say it again - the Impact will likely move if they do not get significant funding, whether public or private, to improve revenue streams from their MLS 1.0 stadium. They are near the bottom in MLS in terms of revenues. Announcements of underwhelming tv deals in which Apple TV will have exclusive rights to all MLS matches (and the end of regional tv deals, not that those were worth much) for $250 million (minus approximately $60 million in annual production costs MLS will have to pay for all the matches) certainly don't help with their long-term viability. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few years as the expansion fees dry up with MLS reaching its saturation point. |
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Longer term if Alouettes and CF montreal team up a new stadium site that makes more sense and has room for expansion is the Montreal Carbins CEPSUM stadium site in Montreal as its not as hemmed in a confinded like Molson stadium is with the hospital and various buildings cramming it in. The Carabins site is just 4 kilometers from molson stadium.
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This is an interesting position to take given that the deal with Apple represents a 400%+ increase in their broadcasting deal revenues, including complete production control over the broadcast product itself. It will turn team expenses on this from breakeven or losses to profits. It provides a more consistent and sturdy revenue base for the league as it continues to grow and expand. Like, yeah, CF Montreal is struggling getting crowds out, but their reliance on crowds today isn't as dire as it was 5-10 years ago with diversifying and increasing sources of revenue elsewhere. Quote:
People have been saying MLS will collapse for decades now. Meanwhile, LAFC signs Gareth Bale this week and TFC is signing Italian National Team players. :shrug: Quote:
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The new deal pays 8.6 million a team. Whitecaps an cf montreal player salaries are 11 million this year. I am not sure what their costs are for coaches scouts and office staff.
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The previous deal with apple increased revenues from their American and Canadian national deals from $105 million per year to $250 million per year. That's about a 138% increase. Of course that doesn't factor in estimated $60 million in production costs MLS will be saddled with each year. lol I love how you spin that as MLS control over the production like it is nothing but a position. The fact is, this $60 million can be subtracted from the $250 million each year. While we are it, we may also subtract the revenues from all the regional TV deals. Not a big deal for the majority of cities as ratings barely registered (but it means something to the bigger markets with bigger regional deals that were actually worth something). Suddenly this deal, while decent, doesn't seem so amazing when scrutinized more closely. Yes, there will be a few more markets added in the coming years, but at some point in the very near future that will no longer be the case they are not likely to go past 30 or 32 teams. Given the current TV deal and ratings have not really improved all that much, if at all in recent years, I don't think they will have too many markets (if any) lining up to pay $400 million or more for a franchise that has limited ROI in the short and medium to medium-long term. As it stands, one fellow asked some owners what they thought of the new deal and the majority hated it...but I guess you take what you can get when traditional networks aren't willing to give you a substantial raise based on years of underwhelming ratings. Good to see you back. |
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It's an aside but the NHL's playoff scheduling was so much better this season because of their new US TV deal. For whatever forsaken reason NBC prevented the NHL from staggering games through the evening, so playoff games would start at 7/7/10/10 or whatever, whereas this year ESPN/TNT were able to offer the NHL 7/830/930/1030 or whatever on any given night. Much more flexibility provided by an improved media rights deal. Quote:
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The days of relying on traditional broadcasters are over and it's too bad that many of the owners don't understand that. It's become obvious that leagues can produce their own content and then sell it to broadcasters who are willing to buy it. The NFL has done this, F1 has done this, and now MLS will be doing this, to say nothing of other sports who have taken advantage of streaming services as the lead heading into the future. Quote:
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Will be interesting how Genius sports guides the CFL in their next broadcast negotiations if they stick with TSN again for everything or try maybe a hybrid MLS model or split the rights between tsn sportsnet and maybe global
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I don’t think 13k is not so bad attendance for soccer in Montreal considering other factors. Most teams in Italy, Spain and Europe average less than 20k. We mostly see the marquee teams play in massive stadiums on tv, but their hundreds of lower table teams playing in front of similar crowd as MLS..
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A big media story this weekend in Quebec was justement the official return of the ultras to Saputo. Not all of them were there though. |
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Although we have to consider CF Montreal has been a bastion of mediocrity ever since arriving to the MLS. 1 playoff game in 5 years is simply putrid and the attendance numbers reflect that lack of success. |
CF Montréal tv ratings are 150-250k. Peaks over 500k for really really big games like Champions League finals. I don't think Toronto and Vancouver almost ever get those kinds of numbers but not sure about US clubs' ratings.
One thing I am sure is you'll never come close to that with a streaming service in Québec. The money needs to be good to offset what it will cost CF Montréal in exposure. |
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