I don't get it. People keep saying that 1550 feet is the highest occupied floor, So it should be taller when added mechanical floors and things like that, Is that so?

I am not familiarized with the building permits issues in NY or in the USA. But, generally, when they talk about building height is the building height, that is to the top of the building, and the permit says buiding height 1550 ft. Shouldn't it be to the top, to the roof? or effectively it is different in NY and it does mean highest occupied floor?

For example the Citigroup Center is 279 meters / 915 feet to the top of that 45º roof. And the Tower Verre was capped to 1050 ft. to the tip, not the highest floor, didn't it?

Also the 1398 ft of 432 park, would be to the roof. It will also have some mechanical floors above the highest occupied floor, but doesn't the permit states 1398 ft, that is the total height of the building?



I don't think that nothing in the second fase of Hudson Yards will be taller than this, since the center piece of that development are the two office towers that are soon to begin construction.

But still could it be that the North Tower, that doesn't have a deffinitive design yet, will be taller than the 407 meters announced so far. (although it should be lengthened by 70 meters to beat this one)

I do believe that it will be at least another year before we hear anything about any of those 57th street supertalls, but yeah, I do think that they are more than capable of beating 225 W57th in height, especially Barnett's tower between 5th and 6th avenue.

Ok, so I read closer. Here's the sectional breakdown. It's continued in two parts, which is the source of the confusion. Sorry about the poor spacing. Getting tabs here is a pain:


Proposed Use Zoning Area District FAR
RESIDENTIAL 350,822 C5-1 3.86
RESIDENTIAL 367,908 C5-3 4.05
RESIDENTIAL 139,205 C6-6 1.53
COMMUNITY FACILITY 63,326 C5-1 1.94
COMMUNITY FACILITY 19,030 C5-3 0.21
COMMERCIAL 112,871 C5-1 1.24
COMMERCIAL 152,885 C5-3 1.68
UNNAMED 4,946 C6-6 0.05
Proposed Totals: 1,210,993 -- 13.32

This is amazing! I can't wait to see some renderings and construction beginning! I'm drooling. :slob:

Imagine the pictures I can get from my job of this tower rising just a street away from One57! :slob:

I want to see a renders. Is the site just dirt today.

We don't know anything yet re. the Western Yards, so Related could be planning taller towers than in the Eastern Yards.

Remember that the two announced office towers are just the centerpiece for the Eastern Yards.

Dirt would be a little cleaner. It's mostly rubble. I assume the MW building is in the process of coming down, since full demo permits were recently approved. From there, it's unclear if digging will commence immediately or not.

How tall will this building be when 432 Park Ave tops out?

134 feet from ground level. If you include the protruding rebar it will be 137.5 feet from ground level.

From the Observer article:

When I first read this I was confused and a little angry. Was Barnett trying to clear Broadway between 57th and 58th? It is a stretch of prewars as beautiful as any other shortblock in New York. I'm not too bright, so it took me a while to realize that the stunningly gorgeous buildings on each corner are staying as is, but the brick building in the middle will be gutted and incorporated into the building, leaving the facade intact. Whew (wipes brow). Anyhow, I'm sure it's been discussed in the thread ad nauseam but I had no idea the plot went all the way to Broadway. I knew it was big, just not this big. Speaking of which, check out this gem of a comment posted by an incredibly prescient--and stunningly handsome--forum member way back on Decemebr 9th, 2011:

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Was pretty mindblowing browsing through, seeing the 225 W 57th St Nordstrom Tower like normal but then seeing the 1,550 FT next to it. That's gonna be insane from the park.

It's a glorious thing seeing a bit of a king of NYC battle taking place right now, big things happening.

1550' to the roof is awesome for NYC!

What would be breathtaking is the view from that accesory lounge open to the sky on the 85th floor.

It would be like the view from the final scene of the movie "Vanilla Sky" from atop that fictional skyscraper from where Tom Cruise jumps.
Watching the Empire State from above!!!

By the way, the movie is from 2001, so is one of the last on which the Twin Towers appeared.

http://imageshack.us/a/img6/8339/vanillaskyview.jpg

1550 to the tallest occupied space, I think the roof will be over 1600ft.
:worship:

The title says site prep,so should we see this one start to go up by late 2013?

Man,no other developed city is pumping out skyscrapers like New York City.Wow.

and several months ago the esb was the tallest lol really is amazing

I'm guessing the apartments in this tower will be more expensive than the ones in One 57?

Roof height/tallest in NYC:

1931-1971:ESB
1971-2001:WTC Twins
2001- April 30,2012:ESB
April 30,2012-2014:1WTC
2014-2017:432 Park Ave.
2017:225 57th St.

You see a pattern...

Amazing to say the least. Now with a tower this tall, there should be a public observation deck. Can't imagine what the views of Central Park and Midtown from that height will be like!


Yup, the towers are getting taller and are being built more frequently :banana:

Yeah, the mechanical levels will probably be set back like mechanical space at the top of a lot of skyscrapers. At the same time, when you look at a building like 432 Park, you get 3 distrinct heights - the top of the roof, the top of the actual roof above that, and the parapet height. Still a little murky about this one, but it could be closer to 1,600 ft. Either way, I'm beyond happy with the 1,550 ft figure.



I don't think there will be, for the same reasons towers like One57 and 432 Park don't. However, the residents will enjoy what's being planned.

Is it the 85th floors that's 1550 feet up? If that's the case this thing could break 1700'

I also read on SSP somewhere that the top floor is 85 feet tall, which would mean a building height of over 1635'

however this turns out... it's big.. reallly big :)

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2012/11/...ock-for-one57/

How things have changed these last few years. I remember when the conversation was on Trump World and Ghery's Beekman tower, which wasn't really that long ago.

Woooowwww! What amazing news! I am very happy! I'd be happy with 350 meters (1150 feets), but knowing that this will have in 1550 feets is even better!
The horizon in a few years will be incredible with 432 Park, Tower Verre, One57 and 225 West 57th Street in view of Central Park. Not to mention all the various proposed super tall to be built around the city, and all the others that will come.

This is Mr Gary Barnett, always humbling their rivals.

Correct. The highest occupied space will be on the 85th floor. According to the DoB that's at 1550 ft. Also according to the DoB, this tower will have 88 floors. That's 3 extra floors plus probably a crown. This one should easily get the extra 50 ft. To reach 1600 ft.

Could not believe what I was reading when I came across this earlier today - this is absolutely thrilling!

I remember reading something about the 85th floor being very very large, I'll go find it tomorrow when I'm not so tired ;). If that's the case though, this building could top 1650-1700 feet... we'll wait and see

sorry if it's been posted before, but when do we see renderings?

i pray to god this thing get build to its impressive hight, but what are the chances of this thing actually getting approved? do you think it will be cut in hight like tower verre? also, when will we know if it got approved or not?

This doesn't require any air right transfers, so it's being built as of right, so Extel can build pretty much whatever they want within the bulk restrictions defined by the zoning.

Just wanted to say, "Please, please, please build this building at that height in New York!"

It's already "approved".

It's as-of-right, so there's no formal approvals process, provided everything is done within the zoning rules.

Tower Verre is a totally different case. It was not "as of right", and was asking for special zoning exemptions.

Totally different situation, this is an as of right location so those issues are not a factor. It's going to happen no question, chances are construction will begin soon as I believe the last tenant left a few week ago in the one build left to be demo'd

Whoah...where did this come from? I'm just imagining lying in sheep meadow in 2017 and admiring this incredible new skyline along the southern edge of Central Park. I've been so jealous of the skyscraper boom in China, so it's nice to see a boom start so close to home!

im sooo excited for this one!! i just hope the design will be as magnificent as its hight! Good luck!

This is exciting. I'm looking forward to seeing progress updates on this.

That's correct. In fact, of all the recent supertall proposals, only two -Tower Verre and 15 Penn Plaza - had to go through public review. And that wasn't for height, but other zoning related special permits (the designs). The reason towers like One57 and 432 Park got underway so soon and without opposition is because they were designed within zoning guidelines for those sites, something Barnett talked about specifically doing at One57. He knows how to build within the guidelines and I'm sure this tower will be much of the same.

Whoa. This all wouldve seemed like a pipe dream just 2-3 years ago.
I love New York.

^ Combine Nordstrom looking for a suitable Manhattan footprint for years, and Gary Barnett's ability to get things built, and here you have it. This is in the heart of some of the most expensive developments in Manhattan (TW Center, 15 CPW, One57), so Extell should do very well.

is there any demolition they still need to do to build on this site?

Yes, the building Morten Williams was in has yet to come down. MW only vacated a few weeks ago. There is plenty of excavating equipment on site already, though, and this will probably spool up quickly once permits are issued.

The thread on 220 CPS is not as lively here, but Vornado has demo'd nearly everything over there already, despite Extell still being in the garage, to my knowledge. This spot, especially on 58th st has become pretty inhospitable.

It's crazy to think that even if you put the twin Time Warner buildings on top of each other,it still wouldn't reach the highest floor height of 225W 57th St.

And to think that Barnett owns a third huge development site on 57th.

Who knows what's to come next. I'm certainly happy with One57 and 225 W57. Hopefully he saves the best (and tallest) for last.

Holy crap, I didn't know this tower was speculating to be over 1,500 ft? I guess NY will one day have the tallest building in the US again. The limit is being pushed once again. :notacrook:

thank!

This tower will end up being close to the height of buildings like the Hong Kong ICC. Quite amazing. I doubt it will have the same dominating impact though, as I expect this tower to be quite slender at the upper levels. This will be the next real tallest tower in the USA however from my point of view as I'm thoroughly disgusted with the spire on 1WTC and I don't count it as a real part of the building. I also do not think that Chicago or any other city in the country will be building anything taller for many many years, and NY will retain the tallest building titles (spire/roof) for decades to come.

All they need now is a 1800-2000 footer in the middle of Midtown to balance everything out between the 57th cluster and the Hudson yards/Penn West/ESB area. There is potential around GCT for such a tower, but I'm not holding my breath in expectation for such lofty heights as of this moment :)

Where's the third one gonna be on 57th?

Will this be the first building,of this height,to be developed in such a dense setting?I can't think of any other building.

Me neither. As others and I have mentioned (in other threads), all those recent supertalls (the WTC being an exception) go up in a super dense area. They meet the street perfectly. This is the way New York builds, and it's the right way. In other cities such huge towers are being constructed around big plazas where there's no density or street life at all.

And btw I just can't get enough of the thread title. :haha: Seing NEW YORK... 1,550 FT makes me feel good.

Barnett owns much of the south side of the block on 57th between 5th and 6th Avenues.

There's also a big assemblage by Sheldon Solow on 57th, as well as another assemblage around 57th & 6th (I don't know who owns this, but I think it used to be Durst).

I think that 225 W57 is really the beginning of an era of supertall development on 57th. One57 started things, but 225 is really getting the skyline going.

I can't think of any building on earth of a similar height in such a dense setting.

Even at 1,000 ft., I can't think of anything. Even in super-dense Hong Kong, the tallest buildings aren't built in a super-urban context. They're built in a standalone environment.

I really just can't believe that this will be even taller than the two Time Warner towers stacked on top of each other. The TWC itself is enormous and has a massive presence at only 750' in height.

I wonder if they've come to any arrangement with Vornado yet over 220 CPS, because I can't imagine anything progressing at either site until that's been resolved. I would imagine that 220 CPS could potentially be much larger than formerly planned if there's been a sale/re-shuffling of the lots facing 58th Street that were owned by Extell and were adjacent to Vornado's tower. All of those plots--Vornado and Extell--are now nearly completely demolished. If they did work something out, I wouldn't be surprised to see Vornado's tower rise past the TWC's height, especially as sites with fewer air rights like 105 W 57th are rising so tall yet so slender.

One57's dominance on the skyline should be over within a year or a year and a half as 432 Park is going to just shoot upwards. I think we see groundbreaking on 225 W57th by the end of 2013 as well, if they're shooting for a 2017 opening.