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NYC GUY Nov 22, 2012 7:06 PM

Could give us a good idea of what the design will look like.

gramsjdg Nov 23, 2012 4:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hudson11 (Post 5910663)

Absolutely hideous. :yuck::runaway:

Lecom Nov 23, 2012 4:47 AM

What a lame design.

Yackemflaber69 Nov 23, 2012 4:53 AM

i cant wait to see new york in 10-15 years

reencharles Nov 25, 2012 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Yackemflaber69 (Post 5911268)
i cant wait to see new york in 10-15 years

Yeah, I'm thinking about it every day.:)
It will be amazing follow the evolution of the city.

JDRCRASH Nov 25, 2012 3:25 AM

That last rejected design is UGLY.

CGII Nov 25, 2012 3:27 AM

Y'all is bananas. SHoP design is sick and SHoP is sick.

Zapatan Nov 25, 2012 2:52 PM

take the spire away and I like it...


I thought that was a place holder btw?

Dac150 Nov 25, 2012 4:20 PM

Would've been neat to have something that original apart of the skyline. That design is sort of 'old news' though . . .

pico44 Nov 26, 2012 8:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CGII (Post 5913127)
Y'all is bananas. SHoP design is sick and SHoP is sick.



I'm with you. We would have been incredibly lucky to have seen that one rise. SHoP is a great firm. I'd put them alongside DS+R and Holl as my favorite NYC architects.

NYguy Nov 26, 2012 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dac150 (Post 5913374)
Would've been neat to have something that original apart of the skyline. That design is sort of 'old news' though . . .

Yes, it is old news. Thankfully so, because I don't think it fits that part of the skyline. I don't even want to talk about that spire, though I do think the new tower should have one.

I'm looking forward to plans for the Nordstrom tower, and we are getting close to work starting on the site.

-Filipe- Nov 26, 2012 8:34 PM

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

robert posted this over at ssc 1550 feet!

sbarn Nov 26, 2012 8:57 PM

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Originally Posted by -Filipe- (Post 5914576)
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

robert posted this over at ssc 1550 feet!

Holy S**t!!! :banana:

-Filipe- Nov 26, 2012 9:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sbarn (Post 5914605)
Holy S**t!!! :banana:

over at ssc they said thats the highest occupid floor so it can be taller if it has a spire !

yankeesfan1000 Nov 26, 2012 9:25 PM

Holy. Hell. Lets hope the design is as impressive as the height. I can't even get my head around that height.

Hudson11 Nov 26, 2012 9:36 PM

at 1500 ft this tower will be a bit less imposing as depicted here

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8437/7...28d428e4_h.jpg
pic by sbarn

hunser Nov 26, 2012 9:37 PM

Hell yeah, if this breaks 500m (with spire and / or crown) NYC is definitely on the right way for a 2000 footer (-> GCT Tower). That's how this city builds its towers, I mean you just don't jump from 200m to 600m as some other cities do *cough*.

Anyway, even the DOB is just too awesome. This news made my day. :cheers:

PS: it's only 88 floors! One would expect at least 100 at this height.


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Building Height (ft.): 1,550
Building Stories: 88
Dwelling Units: 233

Dale Nov 26, 2012 10:06 PM

I smell a spire to get over 1,500' from 88 stories.

-Filipe- Nov 26, 2012 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale (Post 5914671)
I smell a spire to get over 1,500' from 88 stories.

1550 is the roof height it might have a spire making it taller no one knows yet lol

MarshallKnight Nov 26, 2012 10:20 PM

Holy hell is right. This is incredibly exciting news.
Since I'm relatively new to this, can someone explain the significance of the Architect of Record to me? In this case: AAI, P.C.: http://www.adamson-associates.com/#
They're associated with the WTC and the MoMA tower among many other impressive projects, but does the fact that they're on the record mean that they will actually be designing the tower, or at least officially attached to the project in some way?

Also, this is the site of the "AAI" that Curbed linked to, claiming that they would be doing the design: http://www.aaiarchitects.net
Entrusting New York's newest tallest building to a firm without a single skyscraper in their portfolio has the potential for hilarity... but I was more than a little relieved to discover that wasn't the case.

RoldanTTLB Nov 26, 2012 10:36 PM

The architect of record is just the firm licensed in NY to file. Most famous architects that would design such a building aren't licensed to file plans here in the state. For example Lord Norman Foster does not maintain a NYS Archict's license (nor should he need to). So much like florists, most architects work with local firms (the architect of record). These guys just happen to be a very high profile local architect.

hunser Nov 26, 2012 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale (Post 5914671)
I smell a spire to get over 1,500' from 88 stories.

I don't think so, the DOB never counts spires / antennas / crowns etc. The 1,550' figure is the last occupied floor.

Fellow forumer Hudson posted the right question ...

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Originally Posted by Hudson11 (Post 97716461)
how large will the Nordstrom store will be?

That's why the floor count is so low. Iirc the store should take about 250,000 sf to 300,000 sf.

scalziand Nov 26, 2012 10:51 PM

The permit is a bit murky about how large the store will be, unless it counts as 'community facility'. Perhaps one of the residential blocks of space is mislabeled and should be retail.

Use Zoning Area (sq.ft.) District FAR
RESIDENTIAL 350,822 C5-1 3.86
RESIDENTIAL 367,908 C5-3 4.05
RESIDENTIAL 139,205 C6-6 1.53
COMMUNITY FACILITY 63,326 C5-1 1.94
COMMUNITY FACILITY 19,030 C5-3 0.21

Eidolon Nov 26, 2012 10:55 PM

:omg:

I could see this one going for an even 1800ft with a large spire to beat 1WTC!
If they add a spire equal in size to the one at 1WTC, the height of this building will be close to 2000ft.

I can't wait until they unveil the design.

sbarn Nov 26, 2012 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MarshallKnight (Post 5914689)
Holy hell is right. This is incredibly exciting news.
Since I'm relatively new to this, can someone explain the significance of the Architect of Record to me? In this case: AAI, P.C.: http://www.adamson-associates.com/#
They're associated with the WTC and the MoMA tower among many other impressive projects, but does the fact that they're on the record mean that they will actually be designing the tower, or at least officially attached to the project in some way?

Also, this is the site of the "AAI" that Curbed linked to, claiming that they would be doing the design: http://www.aaiarchitects.net
Entrusting New York's newest tallest building to a firm without a single skyscraper in their portfolio has the potential for hilarity... but I was more than a little relieved to discover that wasn't the case.

Depends on the arrangement with the actual design architect. Their role can range from filing DOB documents and plans to actually producing construction drawings, etc. Its common practice to have multiple architects working on a project of this scale.

manchester united Nov 26, 2012 11:21 PM

Why only 88 floors ?

hunser Nov 26, 2012 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by manchester united (Post 5914773)
Why only 88 floors ?

Post #322.

The low floor count is probably due to Nordstrom store taking about 300k sf of retail space in the lower section of the tower.

Dale Nov 26, 2012 11:49 PM

Sounds fine by me. Bring it on!

Crawford Nov 27, 2012 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hudson11 (Post 5914646)
at 1500 ft this tower will be a bit less imposing as depicted here

It's 1550 to roof, so will probably be at least 1600 or so, even without spire.

Crawford Nov 27, 2012 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manchester united (Post 5914773)
Why only 88 floors ?

I'm guessing Nordstrom will have tremendous floor heights, and the condos will probably be like 432 Park and the rest of the newcomers (super high ceilings).

Eidolon Nov 27, 2012 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 5914877)
It's 1550 to roof, so will probably be at least 1600 or so, even without spire.

Mechanical floors will take this to over 1600 feet and a crown/spire will take this to over 1700 feet in my opinion.

It's so exciting to see that NYC is finally set to steal the tallest roof height in the US back from Chicago. I'm still wrapping my head arround that fact and it just doesn't seem real yet. :notacrook:

-Filipe- Nov 27, 2012 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Eidolon (Post 5914889)
Mechanical floors will take this to over 1600 feet and a crown/spire will take this to over 1700 feet in my opinion.

It's so exciting to see that NYC is finally set to steal the tallest roof height in the US back from Chicago. I'm still wrapping my head arround that fact and it just doesn't seem real yet. :notacrook:

wow your right i didnt think about the mechanical floors wow lol this will be amazing lol

Zapatan Nov 27, 2012 2:39 AM

Holy jeez!!

This is amazing news, a building the size of Shanghai World Financial Center next to central park is mind boggling to think about! It could even be higher!

pico44 Nov 27, 2012 11:01 AM

Render!
Render!
Render!
Render!

Com'on NY Times, you go get that render and bring it back to us.

Eidolon Nov 27, 2012 12:18 PM

http://observer.com/2012/11/gary-bar...50-foot-tower/
Gary Barnett’s Biggest Blockbuster Yet: 225 West 57th Street, New York’s First 1,550-Foot Tower

By Matt Chaban 6:00am

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But a year or two after that, and he might turn his gaze further down 57th Street, past the already striking 1,005-foot One57 tower, Gary Barnett’s billionaire bauble nearing completion despite that crane accident. There it would settle on another tower being developed by Mr. Barnett, at 225 West 57th Street, just one block from what was already going to be the city’s tallest apartment building when it opens next year. The new tower’s height, according to building permits filed last week: 1,550 feet.

That would make it the world’s sixth tallest building—at least until something else comes along and knocks it off its pedestal.


That is a good 50 percent taller than either the Chrysler Building or One57, while all three are about the same size, between 1.2 and 1.4 million square feet. The tower will be slender, but it will also be solid unlike some of its spindly rivals, notably 432 Park and predecessors like the Trump World Tower.
(Amazing how that held the record for tallest apartment building for a decade, surpassed by only a few feet by Frank Gehry’s Spruce Street tower, and now, it’s just off to the races, especially when the 1,050-foot MoMA tower is added into the mix. And never mind all the super-tall office towers on the horizon, like the 1,300-footer at Hudson Yards and all those maybe-taller towers coming out of the Midtown East rezoning.)

The tower will reach 88 stories, which sounds like a lot, but when the overall height is considered, that belies exceedingly high ceilings. At the same time, much extra space will also likely be devoted to mechanical systems to keep such a colossus running, as well as the fact that the first five floors, as construction documents show, will be given over to a Nordstroms, as was announced in July. On the seventh through 12th floors, there will be a hotel, and than, boom, 223 residential units. That is almost twice as many units as One57, though the hotel is also considerably larger there.

“I don’t want to confirm anything except to say we’ve filed permits,” Mr. Barnett told The Observer Monday by phone, when asked if the project had financing and was set to rise.
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“There won’t be a spire or anything like that, the floors will go all the way to the top, or almost to the top, with some mechanicals above,” Mr. Barnett said. “This is not a gimmick.”

On the highest occupiable floor, the 85th, construction documents call for a “residential accessory lounge open to sky.” Apartments will be from the 15th through 84th floors, with no mention of layouts (full-floor, duplex, etc.). The building permits also mention another residential lounge on the 14th floor, and the seventh floor houses a number of amenities for the hotel: a restaurant, salon, gym, lounge and “sky lobby.” The ground floor has separate entrances for the Nordstroms, the hotel and the residences.

One thing that will not be new is the facade along Broadway, the former BF Goodrich building. Because of a deal struck with the city’s Landmarks Preservation Commission in 2009, the old auto building at 225 West 57th can come down, despite the protests of preservationists, but its sibling at 1780 Broadway must remain. A 1920s red brick building, its 12-story facade must be integrated into whatever Mr. Barnett builds. The building will have T-shaped configuration as a result, with section on Broaway, 57th and 58th streets.
I'm so damn happy and excited right now and waiting for those renderings feels similiar to what I felt like as a child while waiting for my christmas presents.

:banana::banana::banana:

hunser Nov 27, 2012 1:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Eidolon (Post 5915345)
http://observer.com/2012/11/gary-bar...50-foot-tower/
Gary Barnett’s Biggest Blockbuster Yet: 225 West 57th Street, New York’s First 1,550-Foot Tower

By Matt Chaban 6:00am





I'm so damn happy and excited right now and waiting for those renderings feels similiar to what I felt like as a child while waiting for my christmas presents.

:banana::banana::banana:

An early Christmas present for all (New York) skyscraper fans! :yes:
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So there won't be a spire. I'm not surprised because in NY, mostly office buildings have one.
But anyway, the mechanicals (+ crown?) should bring this over 500m!

Eidolon Nov 27, 2012 1:10 PM

Thread title needs to be changed to 1,550 FT and 88 floors btw. :cheers:

NYguy Nov 27, 2012 1:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eidolon (Post 5915366)
Thread title needs to be changed to 1,550 FT and 88 floors btw. :cheers:

You got it...:tup:

Zapatan Nov 27, 2012 1:27 PM

it should be 1550+ since that's the height of the highest floor :)

NYguy Nov 27, 2012 1:33 PM

Quote:

“There won’t be a spire or anything like that, the floors will go all the way to the top, or almost to the top, with some mechanicals above,” Mr. Barnett said. “This is not a gimmick.”
You gotta love that Barnett. He'll have the highest occupied floors in town yet. It was only a couple of weeks ago that Related was boasting of having that at the Hudson Yards. And it guarantees that Vornado's tower won't block most of the views.

Eidolon Nov 27, 2012 1:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 5915393)
You gotta love that Barnett. He'll have the highest occupied floors in town yet. It was only a couple of weeks ago that Related was boasting of having that at the Hudson Yards. And it guarantees that Vornado's tower won't block most of the views.

It will be fun to see how Related responds, we know nothing about their plans for the second phase of the railyards and I think that they are hiding something up their sleeves.

babybackribs2314 Nov 27, 2012 1:43 PM

I don't think that the Hudson Yards has the luxury cache of 57th Street so any supertall residentials are unlikely. Possibly a mixed-use tower--like the Equinox Building--but both the HY and Midtown East are intended to be first & foremost commercial neighborhoods.

NYguy Nov 27, 2012 1:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Eidolon (Post 5915397)
It will be fun to see how Related responds, we know nothing about their plans for the second phase of the railyards and I think that they are hiding something up their sleeves.

Yeah, notice has been sent out, the battle to be crowned "King of the New York Skyline" is on, and he intends to win it. 432 Park won't even hold the crown as NY's tallest residential for long, similar to One57.

Eidolon Nov 27, 2012 1:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 5915404)
Yeah, notice has been sent out, the battle to be crowned "King of the New York Skyline" is on, and he intends to win it. 432 Park won't even hold the crown as NY's tallest residential for long, similar to One57.

Isn't it amazing to realize that 1WTC will have the tallest roof in the city for such a short time before 432 Park takes that title, before being eclipsed itself. Let's just say I believe that even 225 W57th will be ecclipsed by a tower from the Hudson Yards district or one resulting from the Midtown rezoning after only a year or two of being the tallest in NYC.

Crawford Nov 27, 2012 1:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eidolon (Post 5915413)
Let's just say I believe that even 225 W57th will be ecclipsed by a tower from the Hudson Yards district or one resulting from the Midtown rezoning after only a year or two of being the tallest in NYC.

I agree with this, and think both Hudson Yards and Midtown East have the strong likelihood for something even taller. Both areas will have far more generous zoning.

And 57th Street may have taller towers than 225 W57. Remember that Barnett is assembling yet another tower site on 57th between 5th & 6th Ave. That site is even more valuable than 225 W57.

There's also a major assemblage by developer Sheldon Solow, and a few other sites along 57th that could result in similar supertowers.

NYguy Nov 27, 2012 2:18 PM

Well, the Freedom Tower could at least have had the "tallest" overall title if the spire plan kicks in. Without it, it will just be in the pack. Meanwhile, Donald Trump must have had enough of this by now, if he can get back to what he does best. But as far as I'm concerned, Gary Barnet is top skyscraper builder in the city right now, even if other developers have more in the pipeline. He's never been afraid of height in his developments, even when it was frowned upon in some cases (UWS).

I just can't wait to see a rendering of this future king of NY.

pico44 Nov 27, 2012 2:21 PM

Wasn't there some talk of Herzog de Meuron designing this tower? I believe I saw a design for a skyscraper in Miami done by them that was less than inspiring; but my hopes remain very high.

Crawford Nov 27, 2012 2:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pico44 (Post 5915434)
Wasn't there some talk of Herzog de Meuron designing this tower? I believe I saw a design for a skyscraper in Miami done by them that was less than inspiring; but my hopes remain very high.

Yes, Barnett announced that Herzog & de Meuron will be the architects, so this will likely be something special.

It also probably won't be a standard box, because that's not really what these architects do. They will probably be some sort of roof element, whether crown or whatever.

NYguy Nov 27, 2012 2:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 5915440)
They will probably be some sort of roof element, whether crown or whatever.


I was looking through some of the documents, and like the article stated, there will be an open air terrace/lounge on the "roof". Above that, 3 mechanical levels, which should be the crown.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/147569324/original.jpg
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JB...allbin=1080870


Units stack up as follows:

Floors 15 - 20: 4

Floors 21 - 66: 3

Floors 69 - 83: 2

JACKinBeantown Nov 27, 2012 3:14 PM

So it seems that if the terrace on 85 is open to the sky, then the three mechanical floors should be narrower (assuming the laws of physics as I understand them). Either that or a donut hole open to the sky.


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