California reports first ever yearly population decline
 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...story-77558322

Has California reached its peak and is now on New York's path of relative slow or no-existent growth, or maybe decline?

Pretty significant one year trajectory.


https://www.thecentersquare.com/cali...94dd6b1be.html

In 2020, California saw a net loss of 182,083 people and a net exodus of 310,918 people.


From 2010 to 2020, about 6.1 million people left California for other states compared to about 4.9 million people who moved to California from other states

I don’t know what to believe. The population estimates for many states were quite off compared to the population actually recorded in the official census. The census completely missed about 4% of New York’s population over the past decade.

I would wait for the next year or two to judge California’s trajectory since Covid could have just shifted deaths and immigration in time rather than actually changed the long term rates.

The U.S. as a whole almost shrank last year for the first time in history.

Do you have a link to that statement?

Here:

Such a weird statement. NY grew by 800K people in the last decade.

This entire thread is alt-right fakenews. The reality is that CA is #3 or #4 in population growth.

Assuming the thread wasn't created with the intent of spreading alt-right nonsense, the numbers referred to are older annual estimates, which have since been corrected. Basically all the deep-blue states were massively underestimated during the previous administration, while deep-red states were generally overestimated (which I'm sure was a total coincidence and in no way meant to further a false narrative...)

And California grew by 2.6 million between 2010 and 2020.

Essentially, people moved out of the state, and not enough people moved into the state to replace those who left mostly because the pandemic brought international immigration to a screeching halt, but also because it kept over 80,000 students abroad from entering the country to study at California universities. Meanwhile, births declined slightly while deaths increased year-over-year by about 20%, for obvious reasons.

After 171 straight years of growth, California could possibly benefit from a breather before growth resumes. And because of the historic nature of the pandemic that so strongly impacted the state's demographics, I doubt we'll see another year-over-year population loss, but who knows.

Roughly 1 out of 6 Californians left California in that time span?

That's what the OP link stated.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...story-77558322

We won't really know for sure for awhile, but the 2020 census results suggest the ACS data this decade was garbage...which would include this annual estimate.

That's really not unusual. Approximately 400,000 people move out of Texas annually as well. It's just that TX happens to gain more inbound than outbound whereas CA is the other way around.

It's a common misconception that people are no longer moving to California-in fact nearly 5 milliion did just that in the last decade.

Again, these are not the Census counts. The 2020 state-level Census data come out in August.

These are the older state-level data from 2020 estimates, preceding the enumerated count. In decennial years there are basically two data dumps - the ACS estimates and the official decennial count.

This is interesting to dissect nonetheless.

Here are the top 20 cities by numerical population change(Current Median Sale Price):
+3,445 Santa Clara($1,400,000)
+3,382 Roseville($575,000)
+3,319 Fresno($280,400)
+3,187 Oakland($906,000)
+3,093 Clovis($380,000)
+3,064 Bakersfield($310,000)
+2,740 Tracy($675,000)
+2,710 Merced($335,000)
+2,592 Menifee($479,000)
+2,477 Manteca($545,000)
+2,425 Fontana($510,000)
+2,088 Elk Grove($556,000)
+2,047 Sacramento($435,000)
+1,697 Lathrop($632,500)
+1,688 Stockton($380,000)
+1,512 Mountain View($1,800,000)
+1,438 Paradise($42,500)
+1,329 Rancho Cordova($442,500)
+1,216 Ontario($520,000)
+1,197 Folsom($673,000)

$1.4 million Santa Clara led the state in numerical growth in 2020, this is such a strange development given the noise regarding the economy---even more interesting, Mountain View is in the top 20 as well.

Oakland grew faster than Bakersfield. I cant recall when that has ever happened in the last 50 years.

Fresno and Sacramento and their environs are well represented in this list.

Look at home prices in San Joaquin County(YIKES), Tracy, Lathrop, Manteca are like the Bay Area's housing Dollar Tree but that is quickly changing.

The Inland Empire is also well represented here(not a surprise) and the prices out there appear to be rising fast too.

Americans move a lot. I expect most states are similar.

No, these are California state estimates:

This. People have always been moving out of California. Due to the pandemic, they were not replaced with international immigration for once. Once things get back to normal, we can assume international immigration will come back and most will go to California like they always have.

Crawford, what is "alt-right" and how does this conversation qualify as being alt-right?

Not everything you dislike is Nazi, white supremacist or "Alt right" dude.

Actually, he's right. The alt right has a bizarre, stupid narrative. Most people don't take their shit seriously.