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lubicon Jan 21, 2019 7:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SpongeG (Post 8443156)
WestJet plane slides off taxiway at Edmonton airport

WestJet Flight 173 to Victoria was cancelled Friday night after the incident
CBC News · Posted: Jan 18, 2019

A Westjet flight headed to Victoria, B.C. was cancelled Friday night after the plane slid off the tarmac of the taxiway at the Edmonton International Airport.

WestJet Flight 173 was set to depart just before 6 p.m. According to WestJet the plane "departed the taxiway in icy conditions."

In tweet, WestJet said the plane "slid off the tarmac."

...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...cFDX-81F_iQanY

What's more worrisome to me is the apparent loads on all three flights. Only 77 on this one (on a 737) and they were able to get 55 of those to Calgary and onto a later flight to Victoria which also suggests light loads on both of those flights too. Maybe that's typical on Friday night?

SpongeG Jan 21, 2019 8:41 PM

I fly westjet once in a while from YXJ to YVR, I usually use the AC flights and those are always full, I have yet to go on a WJ flight that is full. I flew up a week or so ago YVR - YXJ and they had to move people to the back of the plane to balance it out the flight was not very full at all, maybe 30 people if that.

zahav Jan 21, 2019 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cage (Post 8444033)
The pax would have spent 13 hours in the air regardless. Food and Drink were available, the only difference I see is that the airplane wasn't rocketting along at FL 41 doing mach 0.84.

It is totally different, when you are in the air moving you are going to your destination. Sitting on the plane and looking outside while parked and not allowed to get off is totally different, especially in the cold and knowing an issue put you in that position. When you are travelling at 41,000 ft you don't have an urge to open the doors and go for a walk, but when you are at hour 13 of just sitting there you would, the two things aren't comparable in experience even if the duration is the same.

Ask anyone if it makes any difference if they were stuck in gridlock and literally couldn't move an inch for 2 hours, or if they would drive a nice road to their destination in 2 hours. No one in their right mind would say "Oh they are both the same to me"

Cage Jan 22, 2019 1:27 AM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8444536)
It is totally different, when you are in the air moving you are going to your destination. Sitting on the plane and looking outside while parked and not allowed to get off is totally different, especially in the cold and knowing an issue put you in that position. When you are travelling at 41,000 ft you don't have an urge to open the doors and go for a walk, but when you are at hour 13 of just sitting there you would, the two things aren't comparable in experience even if the duration is the same.

Ask anyone if it makes any difference if they were stuck in gridlock and literally couldn't move an inch for 2 hours, or if they would drive a nice road to their destination in 2 hours. No one in their right mind would say "Oh they are both the same to me"

While I haven't been stuck for 13 hours, I have been stuck for multiple hours on both widebody and narrowbody flights. At point of departure or enroute diversion there really is no difference.

On a trip HKG-YVR I was delayed prior to even taking off. I convinced the J cabin incharge to open the real Champagne and the aft J compartment had a little wine and cheese event as the pilots advised the delay would exceed 2hrs. Others pulled down their blinds and started the IFE. Economy pax were also able to go to the galley for a drink of water, move about the cabin, and watch the IFE.

Narrowbody delays and delays at the arrival airport are a completely different issue. The food has been eaten and there is no water to drink. Also, the rolling nature of the delays often means that hope is just around the corner, only to be dashed at the next update from the cockpit.

SpongeG Jan 22, 2019 4:18 AM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8444536)
It is totally different, when you are in the air moving you are going to your destination. Sitting on the plane and looking outside while parked and not allowed to get off is totally different, especially in the cold and knowing an issue put you in that position. When you are travelling at 41,000 ft you don't have an urge to open the doors and go for a walk, but when you are at hour 13 of just sitting there you would, the two things aren't comparable in experience even if the duration is the same.

Ask anyone if it makes any difference if they were stuck in gridlock and literally couldn't move an inch for 2 hours, or if they would drive a nice road to their destination in 2 hours. No one in their right mind would say "Oh they are both the same to me"

I had to sit on a plane for just over 2 hours in Ottawa once, watched a movie and started a second. Then we had to go back to the terminal and wait a couple more hours. it was awful

Coldrsx Jan 22, 2019 4:51 AM

3hrs stuck away from the gate in LAS due to lightning and winds, truly awful.

casper Jan 22, 2019 4:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SpongeG (Post 8444804)
I had to sit on a plane for just over 2 hours in Ottawa once, watched a movie and started a second. Then we had to go back to the terminal and wait a couple more hours. it was awful

It could be worse. I once was on a flight from YXE-YYZ with a planned connection to YOW. The flight from Saskatoon tried to land in Toronto, aborted, ran low on fuel and diverted to its secondary airport YOW.

Sat on the aircraft for two hours in YOW (we were not allowed to get off) until conditions and air traffic control slots opened up then we went back to Toronto. Then waited in Toronto a couple more hours on standby for a later flight to go to YOW.

Rogie Jan 22, 2019 2:28 PM

Swoop has released its full summer schedule, including new services from London, and a route from Edmonton to Oakland

https://westernaviationnews.com/2019...mmer-schedule/

JakeLRS Jan 22, 2019 2:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogie (Post 8445011)
Swoop has released its full summer schedule, including new services from London, and a route from Edmonton to Oakland

https://westernaviationnews.com/2019...mmer-schedule/

Swoop is going to challenge AC on that SFO route and it looks like they will go be going head to head with Flair on the YEG-MCO route over the summer (Strong rumours of Flair making MCO year round).

Flair is expected to make their summer announcement within the next 2 weeks with rumours of two or three new Ontario markets.

CityTech Jan 22, 2019 3:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 8445016)
Swoop is going to challenge AC on that SFO route and it looks like they will go be going head to head with Flair on the YEG-MCO route over the summer (Strong rumours of Flair making MCO year round).

Flair is expected to make their summer announcement within the next 2 weeks with rumours of two or three new Ontario markets.

YOW is the obvious one.. wonder what the other one or two would be? YKF?

SteelTown Jan 22, 2019 8:47 PM

If things keep going the way it is, YHM should see 1 million passengers for 2019.

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Originally Posted by LikeHamilton (Post 8445320)
More passengers choosing Hamilton International Airport

By Rick Zamperin News Anchor 900 CHML

The Hamilton International Airport says that it continues to see positive gains.

In a news release Tuesday, Hamilton International reports that 725,630 passengers travelled through John C. Munro Airport last year, a 21 per cent increase over 2017 and 118 per cent rise since 2016.

Officials say they are expecting passenger traffic to continue to grow in 2019 and beyond, thanks to new daily direct service from Hamilton to Dublin, Ireland, with Norwegian beginning in March and increased domestic flights from Swoop this summer.

“Within the last two years the Airport has seen a tremendous amount of growth as passengers continue to choose Hamilton as their airport of choice for convenient, low-cost travel,” said Cathie Puckering, President & CEO, John C. Munro Hamilton International Airport.

“Additionally, Ontario is home to a strong and rapidly growing e-commerce industry and Hamilton International is well positioned to support this thriving industry with large cargo facilities that operate 24/7,” said Puckering. “This enables companies to meet the tight deadlines that the e-commerce sector demands and spurred the continued growth evident in our cargo activity in 2018.”

Hamilton International continues to be Canada’s largest overnight express cargo airport.

In 2018, officials say cargo volume increased by five per cent compared to 2017.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4872201/m...ional-airport/


lubicon Jan 22, 2019 10:33 PM

Oakland is interestig, didn't see that one coming. And interesting to see London adding three new destinations (from 1 previous and that was mainline service).

Sightly troubling that the creep into sun destinations is beginning. I was afraid of that but I think we all know it's coming. Might be the beginning of the end to a lot of regular sun routes, which gives me one less reason to choose to fly Swoop if there is competition on the route.

JakeLRS Jan 22, 2019 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelTown (Post 8445589)
If things keep going the way it is, YHM should see 1 million passengers for 2019.

YHM lost Flair and is about to lose AC. Not sure if it will be enough to reach 1 million. My guess is 800K if it goes the way it curently does.

If jetlines somehow manages to pull YHM off, maybe a bit higher. I can't see over 900K for 2019 the way things are going so far.

thenoflyzone Jan 23, 2019 4:24 PM

SAS getting their hands on three A321LRs come 2020. Northeast US, Canada, Middle East and India were specifically mentioned in the press release.

https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-expa...21-long-range/

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The aircraft has sufficient range to reach Northeast US, one of the most important intercontinental markets for SAS. The A321LR can also reach destinations in Canada, the Middle East and India from Scandinavia.
CPH-YYZ or OSL-YYZ, the latter unserved, must be up there in terms of priority for SAS.

nname Jan 23, 2019 5:07 PM

Seems like AC is pulling out of SAT completely.

Last YYZ-SAT flight Apr 28.

DDP Jan 23, 2019 5:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 8446457)
Seems like AC is pulling out of SAT completely.

Last YYZ-SAT flight Apr 28.

Didn't they start that flight in 2018?

JakeLRS Jan 23, 2019 6:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CityTech (Post 8445112)
YOW is the obvious one.. wonder what the other one or two would be? YKF?

Thunder Bay was mentioned, but I couldn't see a YQT-YEG flight daily. I could see a 4x weekly YQT-YEG route and a 3x weekly YKF-YEG route work for Flair tho. We'll see tho.

nname Jan 23, 2019 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DDP (Post 8446532)
Didn't they start that flight in 2018?

Started May 1, 2017.

So it lasted about 2 years.

LeftCoaster Jan 24, 2019 9:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 8432395)
^^^ I'm surprised YVRs transborder total is larger than YULs given Montreal's larger population and massive love affair with Florida.

Keep in mind there are more Americans living in Vancouver than any other city in the world outside the United States. No doubt that is a huge factor.

Add to that the Alaska cruise ships and business ties from US tech and film industries and you get a lot of transborder travel.

The real surprise is YVRs larger overall total, not transborder total. But that's been beaten to deal time and time again.

thenoflyzone Jan 25, 2019 1:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 8448246)
Keep in mind there are more Americans living in Vancouver than any other city in the world outside the United States. No doubt that is a huge factor.

So you think 183,000 Americans is the main reason why Vancouver has 1.8 million more transborder passengers than YUL?

Hmm.....

Quebec City has more American residents than Tokyo, and yet we know which city has more flights/passengers to the US.

The two statistics (# american residents / # US passengers at airport) aren't part of a linear equation. Several other factors, some of which I have named above, and some that you have named, are the main reasons why YVR has more transborder passengers than YUL.

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 8448246)

Add to that the Alaska cruise ships and business ties from US tech and film industries and you get a lot of transborder travel.

Here I agree.


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