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thenoflyzone Aug 31, 2018 3:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d_jeffrey (Post 8298897)
YHU has offcially opened its new runway this morning with capacity for jets.
http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/20...principale.php

Just to be clear, YHU could always handle jets. This isn't a new runway. They simply resurfaced the main runway. It took 2 years to do it. The length of the runway didn't change. 7,800ft.

What will enable YHU to handle jets is a new terminal. And that won't happen until well into the 2020s.

alps Aug 31, 2018 3:24 PM

Evolution of YHZ's terminal (photos taken at roughly similar angle):

1960:
https://i.imgur.com/KcQziBY.jpg
(source)

2007:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Airport_2.jpg
(source)

2017:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...3011524%29.jpg
(source)

esquire Aug 31, 2018 3:35 PM

^ Canada's collection of 1960s International Style airport terminals was the absolute peak of transportation-related building design in this country. Every one of them was amazing.

The modern terminals have a ton of wonderful creature comforts but they will never come close to the old ones when it comes to sheer style and design.

alps Aug 31, 2018 3:47 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8300089)
^ Canada's collection of 1960s International Style airport terminals was the absolute peak of transportation-related building design in this country. Every one of them was amazing.

The modern terminals have a ton of wonderful creature comforts but they will never come close to the old ones when it comes to sheer style and design.

Agreed. Dalhousie University's Sexton Library has been digitising old copies of the Royal Architectural Institute of Canada Journal. They recently scanned the December 1960 issue, which had an extensive feature on the new terminals in Ottawa, Halifax, and Montreal: Link (large PDF). amazing interiors!

GlassCity Aug 31, 2018 7:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8300089)
^ Canada's collection of 1960s International Style airport terminals was the absolute peak of transportation-related building design in this country. Every one of them was amazing.

The modern terminals have a ton of wonderful creature comforts but they will never come close to the old ones when it comes to sheer style and design.

Yeah, that first photo is incredible.

p_xavier Aug 31, 2018 9:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8300052)
Just to be clear, YHU could always handle jets. This isn't a new runway. They simply resurfaced the main runway. It took 2 years to do it. The length of the runway didn't change. 7,800ft.

What will enable YHU to handle jets is a new terminal. And that won't happen until well into the 2020s.

Well I just reposted what the mainstream media said.

ghYHZ Aug 31, 2018 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by alps (Post 8300077)
Evolution of YHZ's terminal...…..

Thanks!......And some more YHZ Post Card & Brochure Nostalgia:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=312

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=309

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=305

someone123 Aug 31, 2018 10:46 PM

The YHZ airport authority went for the Ship of Theseus strategy rather than the dramatic new terminal approach. They probably saved a boatload of money and the terminal is fairly functional, but it was really ugly for a few decades when it was only half overhauled.

We get expensive terminals because the airport authorities can raise lots of money but I am not sure they're a great use of money from a social perspective. I've also been in plenty of soaring modern airport spaces that didn't function well at all (Barcelona's stands out for that).

p_xavier Aug 31, 2018 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by someone123 (Post 8300577)
The YHZ airport authority went for the Ship of Theseus strategy rather than the dramatic new terminal approach. They probably saved a boatload of money and the terminal is fairly functional, but it was really ugly for a few decades when it was only half overhauled.

We get expensive terminals because the airport authorities can raise lots of money but I am not sure they're a great use of money from a social perspective. I've also been in plenty of soaring modern airport spaces that didn't function well at all (Barcelona's stands out for that).

What? I find the terminal to be beautiful, one of the better looking of the country.

p_xavier Sep 1, 2018 1:33 PM

Interesting : https://www.thestar.com/business/201...-nosedive.html

someone123 Sep 1, 2018 5:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d_jeffrey (Post 8300585)
What? I find the terminal to be beautiful, one of the better looking of the country.

Yes but I am saying that it was ugly around 2005 or so, particularly from the outside. It was not rebuilt all at once, so there was a time when different chunks all had a different appearance. The parts built around 1980-2000 were pretty unattractive.

There are still some weird design characteristics that exist because the old terminal has been overhauled piece by piece. For example, the domestic arrivals area has low ceilings in the baggage claim area, but then more typical ceiling heights out front (a new section). I'm not sure what the original purpose of the low-slung ground floor area was. It may not have been a public area.

ghYHZ Sep 1, 2018 6:31 PM

Here's some other views of YHZ from the '60s......

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4...25285%2529.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r...25286%2529.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N...25283%2529.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m...25284%2529.jpg

ghYHZ Sep 1, 2018 6:32 PM

Here's a YHZ Transport Canada Brochure from around 1980. Note the floor plan shows ticket counters for two airlines only: Air Canada and Eastern Provincial. Also.....just three bridges at Gates 18, 20 & 22.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-u...s800/Image.jpg

That DC-9 in the International Area is probably just in from BOS & JFK and interesting......a Cubana DC-8!

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N...282%252529.jpg

Nicko999 Sep 1, 2018 8:58 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8299102)
^ Makes me wonder if YMX could have become an alternate airport for ULCCs if the terminal had lasted a few more years!

The terminal was obsolete so I don't think having even ULCCs flight in the building was an option.

You could built a small, cheap but effective terminal (with some room for expansion) and host ULCC flights within 2 years. MUCH better option than YHU.

ULCCs could generate a traffic of 1M passengers in the Montreal region alone right away. Is YHU capable of handing that? I don't think so. By having them at YMX, you tap in into Ottawa's market as well.

But this is never going to happen unfortunately as no politician would be willing to face the negative shit storm that is going to ensue following such move.

thenoflyzone Sep 4, 2018 11:20 AM

UA ending YYJ-SFO in January.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...e-in-jan-2019/

Bourkky Sep 6, 2018 2:20 AM

Primera adds more flights to YYZ and YUL next summer with new service to FRA.


https://canadianaviationnews.wordpre...s-well-as-yul/

Denscity Sep 6, 2018 4:25 AM

The city of Castlegar just hired Stantec to consult for a 25 year master plan for YCG.

thenoflyzone Sep 6, 2018 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bourkky (Post 8304929)
Primera adds more flights to YYZ and YUL next summer with new service to FRA.


https://canadianaviationnews.wordpre...s-well-as-yul/

Between Wow Air, Norwegian and Primera, Toronto (YYZ/YHM) and YUL are seeing a surge in ULCC's from Europe. Good for the consumer i suppose.

thenoflyzone Sep 6, 2018 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinus (Post 8297373)
What makes you think they would "get rid of that base ASAP"? Any personal inside info you care to share on this one to make it more legit?

No, only common sense unfortunately.

AC fleet/base

YYZ - E190 / Rouge A319 / Rouge 767 / B737 / A320 / B767 / B787 / B777
YUL - Rouge A319 / Rouge B767 / B737 / A320 / B787 / A330
YVR - Rouge B767* / A320 / B787 / B777
YWG - A320

(*soon to close, most likely replaced by B737)

One of these 4 is the odd one. Guess which one and why. And considering YYC doesn't even have a pilot base, it's pretty obvious why AC keeps its base in YWG open. ACPPA. That's all. BTW, it's a very small base. Less than 100 pilots I believe, and your only mainline destinations out of YWG are to YUL, YVR and YYZ, 3 other A320 bases, (excluding seasonal CUN and MBJ flights) and therefore easily flyable by non YWG based A320 crews.

TorontoDrew Sep 6, 2018 4:18 PM

YYZ 1969
Source: https://static.torontopubliclibrary.ca
https://static.torontopubliclibrary....a_0003245f.jpg


YYZ Current and growing
Source: https://airwaysmag.com
https://airwaysmag.com/wp-content/up...6/10/yvr25.jpg

YYZ Future
source: https://apex.aero
https://apex.aero/wp-content/uploads...2393469782.jpg


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