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Onn May 14, 2015 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 7027536)
I'll be more positive when I see some positive results. I am not seeing anything about this design that blows me over. It's a lot better than the earlier images, the spire has been improved and integrated with the tower more. Still, there's something missing.

Give it some time, the tower is not even out of the hole yet. I don't think this is the project I would be most worried about, it's in good hands.

jsr May 14, 2015 8:39 PM

Hate the cantilever, but at least it doesn't seem very prominent (in that view)

mattymatt88 May 14, 2015 9:41 PM

I'm surprised at the responses. I thought everyone was going to be as excited as I was after seeing this rendering. I was in Grant Park in Chicago 2 years ago and I was blown away by how in your face the skyscrapers were from the park and I feel like this building is going to give me the same feel from Central Park. Compared to 157 and 432 this tower blows them away. 157 is a complete eye sore in my opinion and I'm glad the Nordstrom tower is going to take some of the focus from that multicolored piece of crap. I do love the tower verre and the steinway building but I don't think we are ever going to get the masterpiece building of the old days like the Woolworth building. The Nordstrom tower will be a very tall box but I thinks it's going to have the same presence as the Sears tower does.

KevinFromTexas May 14, 2015 9:57 PM

This is really how point towers should be done. Nice and skinny so they can build on any lot, and then buy the air rights above their low rise neighbors and soar.

chris08876 May 14, 2015 10:07 PM

Extell Shoots for a $4.4B Sellout with the Nordstrom Tower, the Most Expensive Ever

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Extell Development, the company behind the Manhattan super-luxury condo tower One57, is gearing up for an even bigger and bolder tower, as a story in Wednesday’s Wall Street Journal mentioned.

A close look at Extell’s projections shows this tower on 57th Street and Broadway would be the most expensive building ever sold. That is, if the market cooperates, which is no sure thing given the wave of new supply underway.

In filings written in Hebrew on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange – where Extell issued about $300 million in debt – Extell said it hopes for the building to produce total sales of a whopping $4.4 billion.

With about $4 billion coming from condos and nearly $400 million from the sale of the base to Nordstrom, it would far surpass the most expensive sale of a single tower to date – the $2.8 billion sale of the General Motors building to Boston Properties in 2008. Other top U.S. properties include 15 Central Park West, the condo building that had a total sellout of about $2 billion, and 220 Central Park South is hoping for a roughly $3 billion sellout.

The Extell tower—planned to rise well over 200 feet above the Empire State Building—is called Central Park Tower in the filings.

If these sales came as hoped, it would also be quite profitable. Extell estimates costs at about $2 billion, although it has yet to select a contractor to build the tower, meaning the estimate is rather preliminary. Workers are working on the foundation, and Mr. Barnett said he hopes to secure financing in coming months.

One57, meanwhile, is on track to bring in a comparatively modest $1 billion in profit, the documents show. Extell owns 12% of One57—the rest owned by investors from Abu Dhabi who had to inject the project with additional equity to get it moving half a decade ago– whereas it owns 87% of the Central Park Tower site, the filings said.
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http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2015...wer-ever-sold/
http://www.6sqft.com/extell-shoots-f...xpensive-ever/

Guiltyspark May 14, 2015 10:14 PM

I have never been a huge fan of this tower, but it looks amazing from the park in those renders. Much better and more dominant than 432.

Onn May 14, 2015 11:03 PM

It seems this tower is going to be breaking more than one record in the city. :)

And I agree MattyMatt88 with your comments! Seeing the towers in Chicago from Grant Park is very dramatic. I think its party because your looking at them unobstructed from ground level. Nordstrom Tower will be incredibly tall from Central Park. I'm not worried about this one much.

NYguy May 15, 2015 1:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 7027739)
This is really how point towers should be done. Nice and skinny so they can build on any lot, and then buy the air rights above their low rise neighbors and soar.

That's exactly how the 57th St towers are being built. All of the complaining about the height loses the fact that they are buying up all of the developable air rights.
The surrounding lowrises will remain lowrises forever because there will be no more to build.




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Originally Posted by Onn (Post 7027543)
Give it some time, the tower is not even out of the hole yet.

I think we've given it a lot of time, especially considering we usually have an idea of what's going up before it even gets in the ground. And we can only judge from what we see,
the renderings we have.

There are a lot of details we have yet to see. But as far as the basic shape and form goes, no, it is not a very impressive design at all. The impressive feature is the height.

But this is not the only tall tower with impressive height rising in NY, not even on the same street. I hate to keep using Steinway, but it is an even thinner tower that shows "thin" can be
impressive in design also.

I think if this tower tapered more at the top, it would be a little less off-putting for me.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157583035/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/160064831/original.jpg

Onn May 15, 2015 2:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 7028360)
I think we've given it a lot of time, especially considering we usually have an idea of what's going up before it even gets in the ground. And we can only judge from what we see,
the renderings we have.

There are a lot of details we have yet to see. But as far as the basic shape and form goes, no, it is not a very impressive design at all. The impressive feature is the height.

As Barnett has said multiple times, they are still tweaking the design. So yes there are features we haven't seen yet, and we probably won't until the tower is above ground. The height is obviously impressive, but as we know height doesn't make a building by itself. I assume the architects know this.

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But this is not the only tall tower with impressive height rising in NY, not even on the same street. I hate to keep using Steinway, but it is an even thinner tower that shows "thin" can be
impressive in design also.
Tapering at the top would be nice, you've just added $100 million+ to the building with maybe little floor space. Don't expect the box design to go away, your going to see it again. Interesting shapes for towers are great, they're also expensive to do outside of a curve here or a setback there or a spire. I don't know what fantasy world some people live in. They're clearly having expectations of interesting shapes like in Dubai and China, and its just not reality. There's a reason they weren't built until now. As quickly as those towers swept in they're going to sweep back out again. Every tower isn't going to look like an organic bamboo stick or a giant crown.

forj May 15, 2015 3:57 PM

someone over in SSC added Steinway to the Nordstrom central park render.. looks pretty close?

http://i.imgur.com/rhik4Su.jpg

Submariner May 15, 2015 4:23 PM

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Originally Posted by forj (Post 7028561)
someone over in SSC added Steinway to the Nordstrom central park render.. looks pretty close?

http://i.imgur.com/rhik4Su.jpg

I can't see anything. The picture is too dark from all of the shadows.

Onn May 15, 2015 4:40 PM

Stunning shot! 220 CPS actually helps balance out Steinway in that shot.

NYguy May 15, 2015 5:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Onn (Post 7028408)
As Barnett has said multiple times, they are still tweaking the design. So yes there are features we haven't seen yet, and we probably won't until the tower is above ground.

I'm sure they are still "tweaking" it. But it will be virtually the same design. The changes are relatively minor. It's more what you see is what you will get than expecting some change that will alter the design in some dramatic way. When I say details, I'm talking about glass treatment, specific details of the spire, the view from street level, etc. But pretty much what we see is what we will get as far as the tower they intend to build.



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Tapering at the top would be nice, you've just added $100 million+ to the building with maybe little floor space.
I don't think so. What we have is a parapet hiding mechanical space. If money were an issue with the design as is, I'm sure the spire is by no mean necessary. Drop it and give us a better designed top, and I don't care about the loss in height. As you've said, and I agree, height isn't everything. (And we have many less expensive building with better designed tops, so I don't wanna hear about money as an excuse).




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Originally Posted by forj (Post 7028561)
someone over in SSC added Steinway to the Nordstrom central park render.. looks pretty close?

http://i.imgur.com/rhik4Su.jpg


It's close enough.

I belive you can make out the Nordstrom along with Steinway here...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/160065998/original.jpg

NYguy May 15, 2015 5:44 PM

Better image...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...to-nyc-skyline

http://media.gotraffic.net/images/i1...8/v1/-1x-1.jpg



(from last month)

https://twitter.com/montse_zamorano

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCxGuqeUkAEsfiG.jpg:large

N830MH May 16, 2015 2:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forj (Post 7028561)
someone over in SSC added Steinway to the Nordstrom central park render.. looks pretty close?

http://i.imgur.com/rhik4Su.jpg

Hey! That's not real. You have to get a real pictures.

gramsjdg May 19, 2015 2:33 AM

Otie's renders looked much better...

Notice however that the uppermost portion of the tower in these latest renders matches the schematic drawing for the 1530 ft tall version as revealed by YIMBY, NOT the 1479 ft version. The spire also seems to match the official close-up renders of the spire posted by YIMBY just a few weeks ago. Methinks Barnett is trying as hard as possible to keep people in the dark about the final roof and spire height. I am still hoping for at least a 1550' roof and a very robust spire- one which will put the final nail in the coffin of WTC-1's architecturally incomplete spire (CTBUH caved to contrived "patriotic symbolism")

Recall that Barnett had originally stated the Nordstrom tower would be 1550' to the highest occupied floor and would not use a "gimmicky" spire to reach its maximum height...

Zapatan May 19, 2015 3:15 AM

Could be, but to me at least in the latest rendering the building looked ~1480 feet in comparison to the other buildings, the 1530' foot version was also from a year ago I believe, I think it was just a mix up on YIMBY's part.

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Originally Posted by gramsjdg (Post 7031600)

Recall that Barnett had originally stated the Nordstrom tower would be 1550' to the highest occupied floor and would not use a "gimmicky" spire to reach its maximum height...

I remember that too, I can't trust anything Barnett says anymore.

gramsjdg May 19, 2015 3:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 7031643)
Could be, but to me at least in the latest rendering the building looked ~1480 feet in comparison to the other buildings, the 1530' foot version was also from a year ago I believe, I think it was just a mix up on YIMBY's part.



I remember that too, I can't trust anything Barnett says anymore.



I hear you...

I believe we started at a nebulous 1250'+, then went to 1550' top occupied floor, then dropped to 1424' roof/parapet, then went up to 1479' parapet and 1775' w/spire, then up a little more to 1530' parapet and 1795' w/spire, then (apparently) down again to 1515' and 1775'? w/spire...

jeez...guess we'll just have to wait until Barnett goes on the record (yeah, right) or the building is T/O

Onn May 19, 2015 4:49 AM

I don't know where everyone is getting that the new design is 1,775 feet from, the design in the newest render is clearly closest to the 1,795 version that Yimby showed a couple days before Extell released their design, as I showed a couple pages back. So you have to think there is a correlation there. The 1,775 foot design figure is actually an earlier estimate than the 1,795 foot figure is as far as we know.

sparkling May 19, 2015 6:41 AM

Midtown community board defends ‘access to sunshine’

Dana Rubinstein
May 18, 2015

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Seeking to protect “access to sunshine,” Midtown’s Community Board 5 on Monday called on Mayor Bill de Blasio’s administration to better regulate skyscraper construction south of Central Park.

“When the shadow of a building hits a park, temperatures can drop by as much [as] 20 degrees Fahrenheit in winter,” reads the Community Board’s report. “It is the difference between using or not using a park, especially in cooler months.”

By the community board’s count, seven supertowers are “underway” and five more are “in the planning stage” in the vicinity, including, most famously, Extell Development’s One57. Critics have come to refer to the outcropping as “Billionaires’ Row,” thanks to the stratospheric prices of the condos contained within.

Not only do the prices of the condos, and the murkiness of the people buying them, offend some sensibilities, but the towers have also come to cast shadows over the southern regions of Central Park.

These shadows “disturb community access to sunshine in the park,” according to the community board.

In a report, the community board offered several recommendations for how the city can tackle the problem, including instituting a temporary moratorium on buildings taller than 600 feet that aren’t already subject to public review and rezoning the area.

"We’ll review the report," emailed de Blasio spokesman Wiley Norvell.

The Real Estate Board of New York, which represents developers like Extell and seems likely to oppose the proposal, had no comment.

Councilman Mark Levine, who chairs the parks committee, recently introduced a bill that would establish a task force to examine the issue.

View the report here:http://bit.ly/1Pubat7

Read the letter here:http://bit.ly/1Fk3CkL

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