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JR Ewing Jul 13, 2015 11:29 PM

I don't know about 2k, but maybe more than 1,55O

Zapatan Jul 14, 2015 1:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JR Ewing (Post 7094083)
I don't know about 2k, but maybe more than 1,55O

2k definitely seems like a stretch but even 1600 would be amazing.

Screw 1WTC's "honorary title" that it reaches with a 400 foot spire, Barnett should crash right through that height limit.

chris08876 Jul 14, 2015 1:39 AM

Lets hope. Ideally, 1800 feet would be nice (roof + spire). Personally, I'd rather see a megatall if that day does happen or something in the 1900 foot range in Lower Manhattan. While its nice that Midtown gets many of these supertalls, with the right design, it can really stand out at the tip of the island. This being hypothetical, but if we had a proposal in the future with an amazing crown, and one that resembles a modern twist on the peaks of 1930, definitely downtown is where it will shine.

I hope Barnett surprises us. This is one of those cases where ego matters!!!

Vertical_Gotham Jul 14, 2015 1:56 AM

^^
Could NYC soon be in the 2,000-foot-tall skyscraper era?

Cement and steel doubled in strength the past 10 years, will get even stronger

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2015/07/....DPnl4iyQ.dpuf

http://s11.therealdeal.com/trd/up/20...rk-2030-VH.jpg

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With the city’s recent wave of supertall skyscraper projects showing no sign of abating, it may not be long before buildings up to and exceeding 2,000 feet in height dot the skyline, according to the 220 Central Park South structural engineer Stephen DeSimone. Engineering advancements already make structures up to 2,000 feet possible, as cement and steel have doubled in strength in the past 10 years.

DeSimone, who operates his own firm DeSimone Consulting Engineers, expects those materials to become another 50 percent stronger in the next five to 10 years. The last major obstacle to a higher build is the development of sophisticated dampening mechanisms to reduce the sway that supertall towers experience from wind, DeSimone told Crain’s. “People who buy $90 million penthouse apartments don’t want to feel like they’re in a boat,” he said, adding that engineers and buildings are exploring advanced dampening systems “that will anticipate the motion of a building and counteract it before it even sways.”

chris08876 Jul 14, 2015 2:03 AM

I think of it more as a function of economics and not engineering. Towers of 2000 ft or greater could be built with the current engineering at hand (very strong Manhattan schist), but it comes down to land prices and tight space.

As prices keep on increasing for property acquisitions, there going to be a point where developers have to build "X" amount of height with "Y" amount of units just to recuperate their original soft costs. Sometimes, even the soft costs exceed the hard. At least in Manhattan, which is where something of this range would be.

The Midtown rezoning promises to be a potential candidate area for such a tower. Hopefully one that is multi-use, with tons of class-A space, a hotel, and even residential. Topped off by a nice crown, and since this is NYC, a nice spire. I could see that being the next megatall. But... I hope I'm wrong and that we see one to the roof. :yes: :worship:

Still, an increase in material strength is always good. If somehow the price for it can remain stable, I see a lot of promise not just for NYC, but other cities (U.S.) who also need to join the supertall ranks.

A tower such as Nordstrom is not an NYC feat, but a national feat of engineering and architecture. While NYC has most of the supertalls rising at the moment, at the end of the day, mother country comes first, and in terms of pride and competitiveness, every city matters within the grand picture.

JR Ewing Jul 14, 2015 2:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 7094199)
2k definitely seems like a stretch but even 1600 would be amazing.

Screw 1WTC's "honorary title" that it reaches with a 400 foot spire, Barnett should crash right through that height limit.

I agree, Zap. I'd be thrilled with 1600. 1609 would be nice to mark Henry Hudson's Voyage to NY on behalf of the Dutch.

BoM Trespasser Jul 14, 2015 4:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JR Ewing (Post 7094244)
I agree, Zap. I'd be thrilled with 1600. 1609 would be nice to mark Henry Hudson's Voyage to NY on behalf of the Dutch.

That is an attractive suggestion JR!

JR Ewing Jul 14, 2015 4:40 PM

Thanks!

JR Ewing Jul 14, 2015 10:18 PM

I forgot about this. The Lend Lease guys must have been wrong.


http://www.yimbynews.com/2015/06/new...rom-tower.html

Zapatan Jul 14, 2015 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JR Ewing (Post 7095297)
I forgot about this. The Lend Lease guys must have been wrong.


http://www.yimbynews.com/2015/06/new...rom-tower.html

Perhaps they changed it?

In any case 1,522 is giant, so no worries there.

JR Ewing Jul 14, 2015 10:52 PM

I agree with you, Zap. :cheers:

chris08876 Jul 14, 2015 11:00 PM

This needs an encore:

http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/...4-TpTpkz0.webp

:worship:

JR Ewing Jul 14, 2015 11:17 PM

We presently have Park Lane, 31 W 57th, Hadassah, the Baptist Church, and 52-56 W 57th on deck!

only in NY, lads!

Skyguy_7 Jul 14, 2015 11:42 PM

^On one street ALONE. Insane! This is the Age, JR

JR Ewing Jul 14, 2015 11:52 PM

I agree, Skyguy!

I can't imagine that Morris Jeffries will not combine 52-56 W 57th with its huge, 1960s era market-rate rental. That would yield an utterly gigantic site!

PS: I forgot about 4 other very possible supertalls in the general vicinity:

1. The site on 60th and Lex;
2. The American Bible Museum site on
3. 1710 Broadway; and
4. The Mahattan Hotel site recently purchased by the Qataris.

chris08876 Jul 15, 2015 12:37 AM

1710 Broadway looks promising. Qataris promises to be on the level of many towers in the ultra-luxury realm, while 1710 could be a mixed used given the area.

JR Ewing Jul 15, 2015 1:28 AM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 7095438)
1710 Broadway looks promising. Qataris promises to be on the level of many towers in the ultra-luxury realm, while 1710 could be a mixed used given the area.

I agree, Chris. This is amazing!

gttx Jul 15, 2015 3:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JR Ewing (Post 7095399)
I agree, Skyguy!

I can't imagine that Morris Jeffries will not combine 52-56 W 57th with its huge, 1960s era market-rate rental. That would yield an utterly gigantic site!

PS: I forgot about 4 other very possible supertalls in the general vicinity:

1. The site on 60th and Lex;
2. The American Bible Museum site on
3. 1710 Broadway; and
4. The Mahattan Hotel site recently purchased by the Qataris.

American Bible Museum site will not be a supertall. However, there is another possible supertall in the vicinity of the others that is not on your list. Stay tuned.

JR Ewing Jul 15, 2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by gttx (Post 7095618)
American Bible Museum site will not be a supertall. However, there is another possible supertall in the vicinity of the others that is not on your list. Stay tuned.

Nice! Without giving the address, can you give us the avenue and cross streets?

JD Carlisle's site on 55th is a candidate.

gramsjdg Jul 16, 2015 1:13 AM

the 1522' number isn't necessarily final, it can still be changed and could easily end up taller. Its simply the latest DOB we have access to.


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