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allovertown Feb 28, 2018 5:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hammersklavier (Post 8102400)
Banned users can't just register new usernames. Doing so is grounds for immediate permabanning, no questions asked. If he wants to be back on the forum, he needs to (a) spend some time away from it (I would recommend six months) and (b) ask nicely. What he did as "ebuilder" is about the exact opposite of the behavior he needs to show to be allowed a second chance at all (to be honest, the fact that he got away with it for as long as he did kind of pisses me off), and if he does the same thing again he can expect another addition to his collection of red handles.

6 months? Jeeze He came back because he clearly cares about the place and it's hard for him to stay away. It's not like he's an irrepressible troll.

From what I understand he got in trouble for one of his tirades and then made things worse by cursing you out via private chat. For that he definitely needs to apoligize, but why the 6 months if that just means this forum will be worse off in the meantime.

Not many people here spend their time digging through permits and all the stuff 1487 did to routinely provide good information. As his ebuilder persona he seemed to tame his more harsh persona. Can't he just be sentenced to time served if he apologizes and promises to be on good behavior?

#free1487

jjv007 Feb 28, 2018 6:24 PM

+1 ^^

mcgrath618 Feb 28, 2018 7:09 PM

+1 as well
I think that if 1487 apologizes personally to you, he should be allowed to return on another second chance. That's the policy on some other forums.
However, should he misbehave again, there should be no second chances.

Busy Bee Feb 28, 2018 7:17 PM

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immediate permabanning
Male pattern baldness, erectile disfunction, and immediate permabanning.

Three things I hope to avoid.

City Wide Feb 28, 2018 9:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mcgrath618 (Post 8102794)
+1 as well
I think that if 1487 apologizes personally to you, he should be allowed to return on another second chance. That's the policy on some other forums.
However, should he misbehave again, there should be no second chances.

I think 1487 was already given a 2nd chance, before the big ban there was a little ban.
I like to hear a wide variety of opinions, so in that sense I'm aware of one less voice in the crowd. But after the first comment that 1487 would make the arguments, often with me, myself and I, were painful (and often so ridiculous that I couldn't stop myself from taking the bait).
So I guess I'm neutral. There's no reason if he did come back that he couldn't be banned yet again if it was called for

Parkway Feb 28, 2018 10:04 PM

Sorry for dragging this discussion on further but:

I've been on this forum for more than a decade and rejoing under a different username always has been, and always will be rewarded with a 1-way express ticket to the most perma of bans.

hammersklavier Mar 1, 2018 7:54 AM

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Originally Posted by allovertown (Post 8102528)
6 months? Jeeze He came back because he clearly cares about the place and it's hard for him to stay away. It's not like he's an irrepressible troll.

From what I understand he got in trouble for one of his tirades and then made things worse by cursing you out via private chat. For that he definitely needs to apoligize, but why the 6 months if that just means this forum will be worse off in the meantime.

Not many people here spend their time digging through permits and all the stuff 1487 did to routinely provide good information. As his ebuilder persona he seemed to tame his more harsh persona. Can't he just be sentenced to time served if he apologizes and promises to be on good behavior?

#free1487

Six months is actually extremely lenient for users of 1487's type.

For context: There was a user in the New York forums known as "RobertWalpole" who posted a bunch of good stuff but also made himself a pain in the ass with moderation, especially for his constant Chicago-bashing. He was permabanned around 2013. Recently staff found he had been posting under a new account and permabanned him again.

There was another user in the SF forums, "BTinSF", who was much the same way -- informative but trollish and hyper-abrasive. He got permabanned ... I want to say around 2010? About a year ago, though, he finally caved and apologized to moderation and is currently the user "Pedestrian".

Users like these are by far the most difficult to moderate because they often find themselves receiving new warnings right about when previous warnings decay and fall off, which means they're already walking a fine line with moderation to begin with, because they don't really let us mods completely forget about stuff that they've done in the past to merit warnings. 1487 had something like half a dozen warnings and was on his second suspension, each time because his trolly side had gotten out of hand. But once you're banned, that's it. Coming back from one is more like a third chance, because you get a shit ton of second chances with moderation before we pull the trigger.

Busy Bee Mar 1, 2018 3:49 PM

Is there a forum troll 12-step program?

Jawnadelphia Mar 2, 2018 12:39 AM

Old City
 
Haven't been able to get to Old City in a while, but found this IG account with tons of updates:

The National - 209 N. 2nd
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222 Vine St.
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218 Vine St.
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4th and Race Sts.
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300 Market and 302 Market
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See more @phillyrises
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Urbanthusiat Mar 2, 2018 10:48 PM

Construction near Girard and Front collapsed in the wind. Was apparently supposed to be a six story apartment building.

https://i.imgur.com/EUeWQ5f.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/hdjN5y7.jpg

City Wide Mar 3, 2018 4:27 AM

there's obliviously a few souls who continue to post here about buildings; couldn't someone start a special thread for that purpose so the rest of us can continue our nonstop discussion about 1487? Its quite disconcerting to have a perfectly good stream of rants interrupted by some photos of a building under construction. Don't we have rules to cover this sort of misbehavior? I think warnings should be issued, and maybe a few forced vacations handed out. Now back to the important issues-----just who is this 1487 guy/girl, and where did that handle come from. Maybe every so often he/she could be invited to give a special one time posting, like once a month or week, with no rights for any come backs. Or maybe we could have a 1487 boilerplate that once every 25 enters would be posted, "you just don't understand, its not the job of the gov't to----------". There should be creative solutions to this dilemma.

Groundhog Mar 5, 2018 5:41 PM

Apologies for interpreting the Great 1497 debate of 2018, but I just saw this:

Wells Fargo Center renovations to eliminate some luxury boxes, add seats

https://philly.curbed.com/2018/3/5/1...er-renovations

Lots going on around the stadiums with the casino possibly coming online and the sports museum coming on line.

I know there's speculation that the Sixers might try and move to Camden after their contract is up with the Center now that they're no longer owned by Comcast and Harris likely wanting to steal state monies for his own building, but any thoughts on if the activity going on in South Philly - such as these facility upgrades - could impact an attempt to move?

I'm in the camp of all pro sports in one place is best - basketball included. I don't want them at 8th & Market, Schuylkill Yards and especially not Camden (not to hate on Jersey, but there's a mental barrier and an extra toll fee).

iheartphilly Mar 5, 2018 5:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 8108309)
Apologies for interpreting the Great 1497 debate of 2018, but I just saw this:

Wells Fargo Center renovations to eliminate some luxury boxes, add seats

https://philly.curbed.com/2018/3/5/1...er-renovations

Lots going on around the stadiums with the casino possibly coming online and the sports museum coming on line.

I know there's speculation that the Sixers might try and move to Camden after their contract is up with the Center now that they're no longer owned by Comcast and Harris likely wanting to steal state monies for his own building, but any thoughts on if the activity going on in South Philly - such as these facility upgrades - could impact an attempt to move?

I'm in the camp of all pro sports in one place is best - basketball included. I don't want them at 8th & Market, Schuylkill Yards and especially not Camden (not to hate on Jersey, but there's a mental barrier and an extra toll fee).

I hope the Sixers don't play across the river. I'm with you to keep it all in the South Philly sports complex.

The article did say that the facility was getting long on the tooth and needed the upgrade. The arena was opened in 1996, so it's over 20 years old.
It went into some details of where the money will be spent, but to me, it didn't seem like that would be $250 million. You can buy a lot with $250 million, and since Comcast Spectacor didn't want to tear the existing building down to build a new one, I hope they get a lot for that money. Maybe Philly.com will follow up with the article and provide rendering once they become available of all the new upgrades.

skyscraper Mar 5, 2018 6:38 PM

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly (Post 8108316)
I hope the Sixers don't play across the river. I'm with you to keep it all in the South Philly sports complex.

The article did say that the facility was getting long on the tooth and needed the upgrade. The arena was opened in 1996, so it's over 20 years old.
It went into some details of where the money will be spent, but to me, it didn't seem like that would be $250 million. You can buy a lot with $250 million, and since Comcast Spectacor didn't want to tear the existing building down to build a new one, I hope they get a lot for that money. Maybe Philly.com will follow up with the article and provide rendering once they become available of all the new upgrades.

It's hard to believe that after only 22 years, a quarter billion dollars' worth of renovations is necessary. But then it was about that period of time, give or take a few years, when they started to think about replacing the Spectrum.
There is a site in Japan I believe in which they build a temple, use it for 20 years or so, then build its replacement directly across the street, use that for 20 years or so, tear the first one down and build a new one, etc., on approximately a 20 year cycle. Since the Spectrum site is still open, they should consider doing the same, building a new arena, but keep the old one around for a few years as they did with the Spectrum, put concerts, a minor league hockey team, lacrosse, etc in there while using the new arena for the major league teams and major events.
They said they considered a complete rebuild and that it would cost 3x as much as this renovation, but they could get a lot of that money back by keeping the current arena active and have 2 arenas, as they did for a while with the Spectrum. They should never have torn that down, unless building and rebuilding on the 20 year cycle.

allovertown Mar 5, 2018 6:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 8108309)
Apologies for interpreting the Great 1497 debate of 2018, but I just saw this:

Wells Fargo Center renovations to eliminate some luxury boxes, add seats

https://philly.curbed.com/2018/3/5/1...er-renovations

Lots going on around the stadiums with the casino possibly coming online and the sports museum coming on line.

I know there's speculation that the Sixers might try and move to Camden after their contract is up with the Center now that they're no longer owned by Comcast and Harris likely wanting to steal state monies for his own building, but any thoughts on if the activity going on in South Philly - such as these facility upgrades - could impact an attempt to move?

I'm in the camp of all pro sports in one place is best - basketball included. I don't want them at 8th & Market, Schuylkill Yards and especially not Camden (not to hate on Jersey, but there's a mental barrier and an extra toll fee).

The talk of the sixers playing in a their own new arena has nothing to do with the condition of the WFC. Comcast Spectacor owns both the flyers and the WFC, while the sixers are owed by Harris and are tenants of Comcast Spectacor. That's the issue for Harris, the sixers would be far more valuable if they owned their own arena instead of having to pay rent to stay at WFC. To be clear, there has been no credible news that the Sixers want to put that arena in Camden, that is simply speciation.

Harris is a billionaire distressed asset guy. The Sixers are already worth at least 3-5 times what he paid for them. The thinking is he will eventually leverage the first run of success the Sixers have to squeeze out some government funding for an arena and then turn around and sell for massive profit. Most of this is just rumors and speculation, though there is enough consistency regarding these rumors that it seems likely there is at least a sliver of truth to them.

iheartphilly Mar 5, 2018 7:15 PM

What's next with for $250M Wells Fargo Center renovation project

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...concourse.html

Excerpt from the linked article:

Next up will be entirely new mezzanine level, which accommodates about 40 percent of the arena's total capacity. The project, expected to be completed in the fall, will include:

Open-concept concourses featuring views of Philadelphia's skyline,
More than 150 new LED game-action screens, menu boards and illumination technology, delivering a complete visual transformation,
Expanded food and beverage locations and offerings, and
8,000 brand new seats with cup holders.

skyscraper Mar 5, 2018 7:35 PM

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly (Post 8108428)
What's next with for $250M Wells Fargo Center renovation project

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...concourse.html

Excerpt from the linked article:

Next up will be entirely new mezzanine level, which accommodates about 40 percent of the arena's total capacity. The project, expected to be completed in the fall, will include:

Open-concept concourses featuring views of Philadelphia's skyline,
More than 150 new LED game-action screens, menu boards and illumination technology, delivering a complete visual transformation,
Expanded food and beverage locations and offerings, and
8,000 brand new seats with cup holders.

D'oh, the article says the arena opened in 2016. Come on, man.

Groundhog Mar 5, 2018 7:52 PM

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Originally Posted by allovertown (Post 8108379)
The talk of the sixers playing in a their own new arena has nothing to do with the condition of the WFC. Comcast Spectacor owns both the flyers and the WFC, while the sixers are owed by Harris and are tenants of Comcast Spectacor. That's the issue for Harris, the sixers would be far more valuable if they owned their own arena instead of having to pay rent to stay at WFC. To be clear, there has been no credible news that the Sixers want to put that arena in Camden, that is simply speciation.

Harris is a billionaire distressed asset guy. The Sixers are already worth at least 3-5 times what he paid for them. The thinking is he will eventually leverage the first run of success the Sixers have to squeeze out some government funding for an arena and then turn around and sell for massive profit. Most of this is just rumors and speculation, though there is enough consistency regarding these rumors that it seems likely there is at least a sliver of truth to them.

I get that, was wondering if there was any way to entice Harris to stay put tho - say an equity stake in the building if he'll help with future renovation costs or something along those lines. Jersey has already given him a bunch of cash with the training facilities in Camden, so it would likely be a battle between Jersey and PA to see who gives him more money whenever their contract is up (and maybe even Delaware too, who knows?). The quotes from Comcast Spectacor say they're thinking about the NHL and NBA, which may just be talk, but maybe (I hope) not?

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly (Post 8108428)
Excerpt from the linked article:

Next up will be entirely new mezzanine level, which accommodates about 40 percent of the arena's total capacity. The project, expected to be completed in the fall, will include:

Open-concept concourses featuring views of Philadelphia's skyline,
More than 150 new LED game-action screens, menu boards and illumination technology, delivering a complete visual transformation,
Expanded food and beverage locations and offerings, and
8,000 brand new seats with cup holders.

Yes, new cup holders!...what an odd thing to highlight.

jsbrook Mar 5, 2018 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by skyscraper (Post 8108464)
D'oh, the article says the arena opened in 2016. Come on, man.

Article is not correct if that’s what it says. It was 1996.

jsbrook Mar 5, 2018 10:28 PM

Initial renovations started in 2016 after it hosted the DNC.


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