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The latest timeline that I can find says S-1 will be completed in 2027 and S-2 in 2028. Terminal 2 will be demolished in phases starting in 2026. I'd guess the E-concourse will go first to make way for taxiways coming out of the B-C alley, since the current entrance to the alley between B and T2 will be significantly impeded by S-1 construction. Given the lack of a tunnel between S1 and the OGT until 2030 at the earliest I doubt we'll see AA use S-1 or S-2 until the OGT is complete. There won't be a way for someone to walk from T3 to S1 or S2 without going through the B-C tunnel. |
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Good images under Upcoming Projects to see what they are doing under 32 and 34 if you scroll down here: https://www.tpapord.com/projects/ If you want to see what is going on out there, you can see all of the projects that are out to bid or awarded which will give you some indication of what is going on around there: https://www.tpapord.com/projects/upc...opportunities/ |
^Thanks for the update and links. . . great information regarding gate relocation at satellite C. . .
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Probably they will find a way to let AA passengers check in at T1 so they can start using the S-1 gates, but they will need a bus for connecting passengers from their other gates until the OGT is completed. |
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I'm surprised AA isn't trying to cut a deal with the city to do some sort of makeover of T3. They did get the extra "stinger" gates in L concourse, so that's something |
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According to @tpapord on IG - They have completed work on taxi reconfigs in prep for the sat construction. So... In theory, we just need to get the temporary gates in place for a groundbreaking. I haven't been to C lately, so I have no idea if work on the temporary gates has commenced or not. That appears to be the only thing separating us from official satellite construction. If I am wrong, please correct me. I realized the construction on L I saw last month was the Stinger addition (per the 21 rendering) of three (?) gates. On the airline front.... It appears Avianca may be coming back to O'hare? https://aeroxplorer.com/articles/avi...and-canada.php Quote:
- Barranquilla - Bogota - Cali - Cartagena - Medellin Who knows if this goes through, but it's a start to get more S. America flights in. While BA is going to extend their A380 flights until next Winter, they may be working to phase the A380 out at O'Hare and replace it with the 777. https://simpleflying.com/british-air...-ohare-dulles/ Quote:
Finally, I dig some avgeek digging the other night and noticed an interesting trend. Frontier Airlines has really scaled back their presence at O'Hare. If you lookup their flights out of O'hare, they only run four flights a day now: https://www.airport-ohare.com/depart...ntier-airlines What's more interesting is Frontier is now operating a larger number out of MDW of around 11 flights: https://www.midway-airport.com/mdw-d...ntier-airlines So, up until a few minutes ago, MDW was bursting at the seems with SW running out of space, but suddenly MDW has the room there to add 11 flights? Not sure what to make of it, but I find it to be an interesting observation. |
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I view Frontier's move as a means to be able to fill their planes by tapping into a different segment of the Chicago market. Maybe they weren't filling their flights at O'Hare given many of their routes have so many other UA/AA routes at prices that aren't that expensive when all things considered. At MDW though, there are probably several people in the metro that don't want to haul ass to O'Hare when they can just hop on a Frontier flight if they are going to city XXX for the weekend. It's worth noting that there have been several pressers over the past six months where Frontier keeps adding routes to MDW. So.... They feel like they have a better business model at MDW. At the same time, I have to wonder if Southwest had some under performing routes at MDW, so they are taking a stab at directly competing against UA/AA domestic flights. I really don't view Southwest as a competitor to other LCC as they really aren't LCC if you actually look at their ticket fares. Also, the reason I think they are trying to peel some customers away from UA and AA is just by looking at ticket fares between Southwest and UA/AA. For example, if you lookup tickets from ORD to DIA for tomorrow, UA has a flight at 12:48 PM that's $301/$441 for economy/business. Southwest has a flight at 12:30 that's $301/$431 for economy/business. For fun, I looked up Baltimore for next January (I have a conference I'm going to). Southwest has three flights at $139/$154/$214/$264. United also has three flights that day at $139/$169/$199/$259. That's no coincidence....... Whether Southwest is successful remains to be seen. They are appealing to the casual flyer that isn't point savvy and isn't a reward member with UA/AA. I just don't buy the narrative that they were looking to expand, and that's why they came to O'Hare. If that was the case, they wouldn't be giving up gate space to Frontier at Midway. It says they are trying to rethink their Chicago market approach. |
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Also remember, Southwest isn't a member of any alliance, nor do they have any lounges. I'm not saying there aren't folks that won't make the switch, but I just don't see that many folks making that switch. Especially with their epic meltdown last Winter. We will see though... At the end of the day, it might be helping to keep UA/AA ticket prices at bay with the competition, so I'm happy with that as a consumer. |
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Temporary Gates under Construction - Concourse C
Flew from and back to ORD last week. Passed by the C-Concourse when taxiing back to our gate and was able to see the status of construction. They have removed two jet bridges and have barricaded the area where they are supposed to build the temporary gates. There is also construction equipment digging up the pavement in that area, so the construction of the temporary gates is in progress
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Saw this editorial pop up on my feed. Nothing really newsworthy in here, except there is some ground truth to what some anecdotal observations have shown, which is AA has pulled back some from O'Hare. https://www.chicagotribune.com/opini...rb4-story.html Quote:
https://simpleflying.com/american-ai...er-operations/ The only news of UA route cuts I have seen is from NYC, but that's because of the shortage of air traffic controllers and the meltdowns that happened starting with Newark. Sucks to see AA pulling back, but you can't blame them if they are struggling a bit. And as has been noted before, AA serves to benefit the least from the O'hare 21 program. The OGT only benefits the One World carriers and passengers that need to connect from AA in T3 to One World or back. Delta got a new gig over in T5, Southwest has the shiny new addition to play with at T5, and UA is getting brand new sats. AA gets?....... a few new stinger gates? lol |
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I didn't realize Peotone was still a thing:
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In recent years O'Hare has been the #1 "port" in the country in terms of value of goods imported, surpassing the Port of Los Angeles. In 2022 O'Hare cargo volume was worth $330 billion. Second place was Port of Los Angeles at $312 billion. For a more local comparison the Ambassador Bridge in Detroit was 8th at $158 billion. It's basically impossible to overstate the importance of ORD to the city and region. |
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I don't think there's ever been a business case for a Peotone airport. Just a political one. |
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Peotone Airport: the brain-dead corpse that refuses to die
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I'd imagine there are also good arguments to be made in favor of being the hub for high-value trade vs the hub for low-value bulk trade. I'm not knowledgeable on the subject though. |
I flew in from Haneda a bit ago and O'Hare was a shit show. The immigration line was awful, though I skipped it with the mobile passport control app (after being held upstairs for a while), only to wait 45 minutes for my bag in complete chaos. In the end all the bags were actually on a different carousel than advertised, and all in a pile. Renovations are probably part of this but it's definitely not a good look.
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Apparently no one else remembers that CTA did install luggage racks on Blue Line trains shortly after the O'Hare extension opened. I was apparently the only person ever to use one, so they were removed about five years later.
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To fixate on the notion that it's not necessary in the long run is not only shortsighted, but also a capitulation to the incorrect notion that Chicago+land cannot, will not and does not need to grow further. |
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"The vision for the South Suburban Airport involves designing and constructing a supplemental, commercial service airfield that will serve the greater Chicagoland area. Located conveniently outside of Chicago, a major transportation hub in America’s heartland, the South Suburban Airport will offer travelers and businesses an expanded array of options in air and freight travel to meet their growing transportation needs." ______________________________________________________________________________ https://patch.com/illinois/newlenox/...-hastings-says “For people who feel that the South Suburban Airport is a threat to Midway, is a threat to O’Hare, would complete with Rockford, would compete with the Quad Cities, I just think we’re just in a very, very unique geographic situation with an immense amount of growth compared to other regions of the state,” Hastings told Patch on Friday. Hastings, who represents constituents in both Will and Cook County, said that considering other transportation options throughout the region between the interstate systems, trains, and the Intermodal Transportation Center in Joliet, adding a regional airport only makes sense. He said the airport would be a “natural complement” to other transportation hubs. He said a new airport “ties everything together” and believes that the job creation and investment into the Southland region would be substantial, Hastings told Patch..." "...“What you don’t want is, if you build it, they will come,” Pritzker said previously, according to the report. “Just building the thing and hoping that people will show up to essentially pay for the airport having been built.” Yet, Hastings said he would have never helped introduce legislation — or even supported it — if he felt like the project would lead to a dead end. Whether that means cargo companies coming forward or regional carriers committing to fly in and out of the South Suburban Airport, Hastings believes it provides a unique opportunity for the region. He compares the project to Gerald R. Ford Airport in Grand Rapids, Mich., which has been providing international travel for years. The airport allows local residents to fly in and out of the city without having to travel to bigger airports such as Detroit and Chicago. Like the south suburbs, the Grand Rapids region has continued to develop and grow and has supported having the airport there. Similarly, Hastings believes the addition of an airport in the South Suburban region could only be a positive for local residents and the region’s economy as well. Hastings points to the fact that Target and Solo Cup will add warehouses along the I-57 corridor in addition to the four Amazon regional distribution centers that already exist. He says that adding an airport to the mix only will help to drive the local economy, while also providing residents with an alternative to driving farther away to fly to certain destinations. He says as a lawmaker who represents the region, he and others like Harris have to do what they can to help prepare the South Suburbs for natural growth, which he said the additional airport would do while helping generate “a lot of success” for the region." |
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"build it, and they will come" or more accurately in this case: "build it, and they will sprawl" the last thing NE IL needs is more mindless cornfield-gobbling sprawl. i fully support doubling and tripling down on our existing infrastructure. |
Ok, but the only people being quoted in those links is.... wait for it.... local politicians!
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If there was a real need for a third airport, and it was clear O'Hare expansions wouldn't meet those needs, and the additional cargo would benefit the area economy, then I would be in complete support. However, I still haven't seen any evidence that justifies the existence of a new airport. |
There's already one failed airport in Illinois (mid-america). A cargo airport might make sense but it would probably make sense closer to Joliet...
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The Peotone Airport is an even bigger boondoggle than the Red Line extension. It makes zero sense to build this when there isn't a single airline (cargo or passenger) that has expressed any interest in operating out of it.
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The most important reason to oppose it is because it will fracture O'Hare somewhat. ATL and DFW and DEN and ORD are economic drivers because everyone goes to one airport and the node creates a network effect. If JFK and Newark were in one place instead of two, it would be better than the sum of their parts. Peotone is only talked about because it's a way to get political support from semi-downtstate residents and politicians that want to see development move away from Chicago. That's it. If Chicago needs a third airport to meet regional travel demand or serve high volume long distance routes, Gary already exists. |
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Annex NW Indiana. Problem solved.
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