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Damn. I'm not surprised but disappointing nonetheless. Sounds like with the Surplus Act they will at least need to move forward with a replacement project. So maybe we'll see a full block of affordable housing right there at some point
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So does this basically come down to failure to secure financing? And if so why? Cisterra is a proven developer this was a solid project whats the hold up. I mean the Pendry Developers will be adding another luxury hotel to Gaslamp in the coming years and Manchester is building the massive Fairmount on the water front... Did the banks just not see the value in this project? Or they could have just gotten rid of the Hotel component and made it just office and residential with the grocery store on the bottom :cheers:
If anyone has insight to what happened here please share. Where do we go from here? I see Padres owner Peter Seidler stepping in here. He has deep pockets Sports Team valuations are through roof Broncos sold for 4.6 billion 6 months and and PHX Suns just sold for 4 billion so the Padres are worth at least 3.2 at this point if not more. A huge tower at that spot would have massive prominence as it would stick up right behind Center field of Petco Park. |
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As for next iterations of 7th and Market, I'm certain it will be a big project with many housing units. Affordable housing and climate advocates will clamor for the city to max out on housing capacity given the site's proximity to jobs, transit and community amenities. Labor will demand a high-rise (and project labor agreement), since they do concrete and steel work and eschew wood frame, stick and podium construction. Local electeds will want a big win on housing, climate and union jobs. So, I'm less concerned about something underwhelming cropping up. The only thing it that this will take time, as the city is both slow, and now, very cautious about real estate deals in general. Hopefully we get some inspired design, but given the boxes that are cropping up around downtown these days because of cost constraints (profits > aesthetics), I'll take what I can get lol. |
It’s too bad Ritz or another 5 star brand isn’t slated for the Manchester hotel .. bay views would be a big selling point for luxury rooms. Of course, the design of that is so awful based on the renders, high-end brands probably wouldn’t want to be involved. I’m not familiar with the Fairmount brand - Is that high end or mid range? Seems like a waste for that site, with the upcoming biotech offices, the eventual seaport village re-do, and the bay front location, that seems like the obvious choice for SD’s first 5 star hotel downtown. TBH I was always skeptical about a 5 star hotel at 7th /Market. Every time I walk by there are homeless individuals yelling and doing drugs (part may be due to the Clermont hotel that I believe houses work release parolees). Were people really going to drop $500++ a night to stay at a ritz there? As disappointing as this news is, I’m not sure I saw a successful business model. I’m wondering if that affected the financing as well. I’m sure finance companies look at the conditions of the neighborhood for proposals they are going to fund, and that area is not good. I know because I live near there. It’s gotten worse in the years since the project was initially announced.
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European chain wants to build 17-story hotel in downtown San Diego near site of proposed Ritz-Carlton
Lori Weisberg February 1, 2023 https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...d-ritz-carlton https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...nm-lad-542.jpg ^ Photo is of CitizenM’s hotel in downtown Los Angeles. The hotel chain’s projects typically have a similar design, no matter where they are located. Quote:
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Lori Weisberg should do a story on the history of the Seventh and Market site.
That plot of land is so central but seems to have nothing but problems associated with it. The Ritz project isn’t the first project to go down in flames. Back in the 2007/8 time-frame, a big scandal involving Nancy Graham, the head of the previous downtown redev agency, caused a project planned there to be cancelled. Here’s an old render of it and some stories I found on the internet: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ene_3large.jpg https://www.kpbs.org/news/2008/09/11...-audit-of-sedc https://www.chicagotribune.com/sdut-...htmlstory.html There has also been the history of the Clermont hotel on that site which is another interesting facet. The site has also been described as an important area for African American history, and groups have wanted that reflected in developments there: https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/.../city-light-1/ Believe it or not, the Clermont hotel has been around since the 1800s!?!?!?!? I found this interesting article on the history of downtown, and extracted the snipet about Clermont (but the whole article is fascinating)! https://gaslampfoundation.org/reuben...storic-haunts/ Quote:
“ I remember that lot (7th/Market) Former home of Ed Scholder’s used cars. Unpaved, bumpy dirt lot. I bought a 1950 Wills Jeepster from him and his son on that lot in the 1980s. A fine car. The city put him out of business because of the hookers doing business in the cars. Since mine was a convertible, it probably saw the most action of all. Convertibles are so romantic. Ed told the city that the hooking had stopped, but the guy from the Giant Photo shop across the street took recent photos and showed them at the Planning Commission meeting. He used to really tick off his neighbors in Crown Point, where he parked his excess inventory on the street. Or at least that is how I remember it.” Let’s face it, seventh and market is definitely a storied piece of San Diego, will be extremely interesting to see what cast of characters take on the next chapter :) |
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Building next to the Courthouse: https://i.imgur.com/sLEHXjy.jpg 8th & Broadway: https://i.imgur.com/9Fu6rVT.jpg 3 of my 5 favorite buildings: https://i.imgur.com/b6XjcTO.jpg |
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Are there any updates on Bosa's partner tower to Pacific Gate? The one next to Santa Fe Depot? Also, any news on whatever will replace the Office Depot next to Pacific Gate? I am eager to see what ends up proposed there since those two plots will help define the skyline from the Bay.
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Anybody go to the public meeting on Midway Rising?
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Not really a fan of a park on a pier. There is a need for parking for the Midway and there's plenty of park space on the Embarcadero. Why would you block the view of the bay with trees? Anyway 5 years to redo this. Lets not rush into anything.
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I don't really have to say that trees won't block the view of the bay do I? There's a big open green space called BAY VIEW GREEN. Plus you need shade trees in a park, especially one that's water adjacent. Mission Bay Park has a lots of palm trees but would benefit from more shade trees. Hope this plan sticks. It's far and away better than a parking lot. |
I'm glad to see the Navy Pier being developed into a park. There's nothing too special going on here though, design-wise, which I suppose works well considering the existing USS Midway would be the main focal point.
I know it's a park celebrating Navy heritage, but the name is pretty bland. Freedom Park sounds like it was designed for 2003 not 2023. With "Freedom Tree", "Freedom Walk", and "Words of Freedom" panel art, it's all very uninspired. https://www.portofsandiego.org/sites...lan%20View.jpg |
Doesn't look too bad. I understand the need for parking but I think it'd look better with an offsite garage. Right now, there's just too much surface parking and it feels very large and serves as a major physical and psychological barrier between the amphitheater section and the bay view green section.
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San Diego relaxes restrictions on how close high density housing can be from mass transit.
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I can't imagine why they would spend so much money and effort to redevelop the pier only to plop down another surface parking lot right in the middle of the park. It just ruins the whole vibe. If you look at other similar pier/waterfront redevelopment plans around the country, you'd be hard pressed to find many, if any, that incorporates such blatant autocentricity into what should be a pedestrian only place. Honestly, the more I look at it, the more I view this as a swing and a miss. I hope they take this back to the drawing board. |
Some non-downtown development updates, check out Impact Housing's work: https://ihousing.us/projects/
They just built a 5 story 34 unit project on Market Street in Stockton in 3 days. Their prefabrication, modular model is bringing costs down and building homes quicker. There are some bigger projects in the pipeline, including a 900 unit project in Barrio Logan. It's going to take much more to dig San Diego out of its housing deficit, but I'm feeling more confident we can make a real dent with innovations like this. |
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It also looks like the museum needs truck access? They really went out of their way to ensure an eighteen wheeler can pull up right next to the ship. Even if neither of those were true, there'd still be a ton of pressure to include parking. The B Street Pier doesn't allow access while a cruise ship is docked. IQHQ will undoubtedly charge a premium to park in their fancy underground lot. That only leaves Tuna Harbor, and with the level of traffic the Midway gets that might lead to a bit of a squeeze. Then you'll get complaints from visitors, maybe even have the Coastal Commission on your butt for "hindering public access". All of which probably could be figured around, but the path of least resistance is just to provide parking. I wouldn't expect the Midway to be looking to generate controversy, so while the design might change that's the direction I'd expect them to go no matter what. |
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I was exploring East Village via Google Streetview, and I saw this plot on the corner of 10th and Island was under construction. The construction wall had the architect's name and website, where I found some renderings. It looks to be a 9-story hotel project:
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...pg?format=750w https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...pg?format=750w The architect, DBRDS, is from Australia, but they seem to design a lot of buildings in San Diego. Some of them I hadn't heard of (and may be stale proposals). But here's a sampling: 929 W Grape (Little Italy; corner of Pacific Highway across from Waterfront Park) https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...g?format=2500w 6th & Robinson in Hillcrest (seems unlikely): https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...g?format=2500w Union & B. My favorite design, and is rendered to look like it's exactly 500 feet tall. Seems unlikely, but I would love more bold designs like this in SD: https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...g?format=2500w |
Looks like the city has provided a new landing page for viewing what's proposed and under construction.
https://webmaps.sandiego.gov/portal/...34d7559e5a4d98 Site prep looks under way for Holland Partner's Front and A project. Parcel is fenced off and demo activity is taking place. |
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San Diego plans to start construction on $27M railroad crossing at Park Boulevard near Petco Park this summer
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....Finally!! As someone who used to live in the southeastern quadrant of East Village, it's insane how difficult it is to access the waterfront by bike / scooter considering how close that neighborhood is.
I imagine this has got the Hilton hotel quite excited as well. I had family staying there last year, and the route you currently have to take to drive in is not exactly appealing to say the least. One step closer to making that part of the water much easier to get to all around. :cheers: |
It probably has to open sooner than later because the Gaslamp is going forward with the promenade project that closes of 5th avenue.
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Anybody know what these cranes are building?
Not my picture, found on Reddit: https://i.redd.it/w69b4dl42nla1.jpg |
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Oh I did not know that PCE already started construction!
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Children's park is still under construction after groundbreaking in May of 2021
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I saw this article/video that was pretty interesting. I also posted it on the main City Discussions forum:
How one downtown rebounded from the pandemic, even as others struggle BY ASH-HAR QURAISHI, AMY CORRAL, RYAN BEARD MARCH 7, 2023 / 6:00 AM / CBS NEWS https://www.cbsnews.com/news/san-die...ties-struggle/ Quote:
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UC San Diego to spend $1.1 billion to build huge student center and campus housing
https://www.lajollalight.com/news/st...campus-housing A rendering depicts the Triton Center, which will house student services as well as health, alumni and outreach programs. A rendering depicts the Triton Center, which will house student services as well as health, alumni and outreach programs. (UC San Diego) The Triton Center is meant to become the beating heart of the university, and Ridgewalk North will become one of the school’s largest residential villages. BY GARY ROBBINS MARCH 22, 2023 8 AM PT Show more sharing options Continuing a decade-long boom, the University of California Board of Regents has given its San Diego campus in La Jolla permission to build a huge student center and a 2,400-bed housing complex that will jointly cost $1.1 billion. The campus said it will start constructing the Triton Center and the Ridgewalk North Living and Learning Neighborhood this summer while the school is in the midst of building two other villages that will house 3,130 students. Newsletter Get the La Jolla Light weekly in your inbox News, features and sports about La Jolla, every Thursday for free Enter email address Enter email address SIGN ME UP You may occasionally receive promotional content from the La Jolla Light. The projects are part of a larger effort by the regents to accommodate thousands more students, primarily from California. Over the past decade, the system’s enrollment has soared by 55,610 students, hitting 294,309. The growth has caused a serious housing shortage. “We’re very committed to expanding student housing,” said Rich Leib, a San Diego businessman who serves as chairman of the Board of Regents. “Studies have shown that students do better when they live close together. And the housing we’re talking about generally has rents that are 20 to 30 percent below market prices.” A substantial portion of that growth is occurring at UCSD, which still has room to expand. The campus currently has about 43,000 students, up from 29,517 in fall 2013. Chancellor Pradeep Khosla says enrollment could reach 50,000 in about a decade. The $428 million Triton Center complex will be composed of four buildings that will house everything from student health services to an alumni and welcome center. One of the buildings will include a 500-person event space and an art gallery. A rendering shows the Ridgewalk North Living and Learning Neighborhood. A rendering shows the Ridgewalk North Living and Learning Neighborhood.(UC San Diego ) In addition to 2,400 beds for undergraduates, Ridgewalk North will feature administrative and teaching space for Thurgood Marshall College, the School of Global Policy and Strategy and the Department of Economics, the campus said. There will be 19 new classrooms, a dining center and a 150-seat lecture hall. The village will look like a small city. One of its buildings will be 18 stories tall, another will be 16 stories and a third will be 10. A separate academic building will rise to six stories. UCSD already is building six residential towers that range in height from 16 to 22 stories. Ridgewalk North will be not far from Geisel Library. It is scheduled to open in late 2025. Triton Center, which will be close to a campus Blue Line trolley station, will open in 2026. The projects are being built “in pursuit of the intellectual, physical and cultural transformation of our campus,” Khosla said in a statement. ◆ |
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I've trawled around and there's only a couple renderings available and no site plans for the Ridgewalk development. The article includes this rendering: https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...Fridgewalk.jpg Buildings at 18, 16, 10 and 6 stories. Streamliner also shared another rendering a few posts up. Project is to replace the Marshall Lower dorms and several academic and administration buildings. Location: https://i.imgur.com/pll54Tj.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7LjPU7H.jpg Triton Center has this rendering on UCSD's website: https://plandesignbuild.ucsd.edu/_im...ton-Center.jpg Here are a couple older renderings, not sure if they're still accurate to the scope of the project: https://media.sandiegoreader.com/img...08e3fa67d9af9d https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...architects.jpg EYRC architects also has renderings for a "Triton Pavilion" on their site, I'm not sure if this is still current: https://www.eyrc.com/hs-fs/hubfs/EYR...unity-ppt1.jpg Triton Center location: https://i.imgur.com/L2QlWm6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ibmy1gt.jpg Overall, I'm surprised that the university hasn't released more detailed renderings and site plans yet; I recall much more having been publicly available when the Theater District project was approved by UC Regents in 2020. These are the documents from the most recent Regents meeting: Triton Center: https://regents.universityofcaliforn...t/mar23/f8.pdf Ridge Walk LLC: https://regents.universityofcaliforn...t/mar23/f9.pdf Overall, very exciting to see the university continue to modernize and urbanize. Students in 5-10 years will have an entirely different university experience from those of us who've already graduated. |
The Ridge Walk North project has site plans and building cross sections in their CEQA documents:
https://plandesignbuild.ucsd.edu/pla...Impact-Reports Ridge Walk is Addendum number 12 here. Site plans start on page 17 of the pdf. Addendum 11 is the Triton Center. I think that awesome EYRC rendering is from an earlier iteration. It would have been amazing though. |
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