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SDCAL Jan 30, 2023 3:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SDfan (Post 9851581)
And it's dead:

To be honest I don’t blame the city. Cisterra has had 8 years to make this work. Other projects are getting off the ground. Unfortunately though this means that will probably be a parking lot for another 5-10 years.

Streamliner Jan 30, 2023 6:29 PM

Damn. I'm not surprised but disappointing nonetheless. Sounds like with the Surplus Act they will at least need to move forward with a replacement project. So maybe we'll see a full block of affordable housing right there at some point

mello Jan 30, 2023 8:30 PM

So does this basically come down to failure to secure financing? And if so why? Cisterra is a proven developer this was a solid project whats the hold up. I mean the Pendry Developers will be adding another luxury hotel to Gaslamp in the coming years and Manchester is building the massive Fairmount on the water front... Did the banks just not see the value in this project? Or they could have just gotten rid of the Hotel component and made it just office and residential with the grocery store on the bottom :cheers:

If anyone has insight to what happened here please share. Where do we go from here? I see Padres owner Peter Seidler stepping in here. He has deep pockets Sports Team valuations are through roof Broncos sold for 4.6 billion 6 months and and PHX Suns just sold for 4 billion so the Padres are worth at least 3.2 at this point if not more. A huge tower at that spot would have massive prominence as it would stick up right behind Center field of Petco Park.

SDfan Jan 30, 2023 9:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 9852917)
So does this basically come down to failure to secure financing? And if so why? Cisterra is a proven developer this was a solid project whats the hold up. I mean the Pendry Developers will be adding another luxury hotel to Gaslamp in the coming years and Manchester is building the massive Fairmount on the water front... Did the banks just not see the value in this project? Or they could have just gotten rid of the Hotel component and made it just office and residential with the grocery store on the bottom :cheers:

If anyone has insight to what happened here please share. Where do we go from here? I see Padres owner Peter Seidler stepping in here. He has deep pockets Sports Team valuations are through roof Broncos sold for 4.6 billion 6 months and and PHX Suns just sold for 4 billion so the Padres are worth at least 3.2 at this point if not more. A huge tower at that spot would have massive prominence as it would stick up right behind Center field of Petco Park.

From what I understand the project was offering a lot (which made financing complicated), and was likely going to under deliver (exit of high-end brands). Add to that, the city's sour relations with Cisterra over their failed lease to own deals, plus state deadlines with the Surplus Land Act, and viola: goodbye Cisterra!

As for next iterations of 7th and Market, I'm certain it will be a big project with many housing units. Affordable housing and climate advocates will clamor for the city to max out on housing capacity given the site's proximity to jobs, transit and community amenities. Labor will demand a high-rise (and project labor agreement), since they do concrete and steel work and eschew wood frame, stick and podium construction. Local electeds will want a big win on housing, climate and union jobs. So, I'm less concerned about something underwhelming cropping up.

The only thing it that this will take time, as the city is both slow, and now, very cautious about real estate deals in general.

Hopefully we get some inspired design, but given the boxes that are cropping up around downtown these days because of cost constraints (profits > aesthetics), I'll take what I can get lol.

SDCAL Jan 30, 2023 11:50 PM

It’s too bad Ritz or another 5 star brand isn’t slated for the Manchester hotel .. bay views would be a big selling point for luxury rooms. Of course, the design of that is so awful based on the renders, high-end brands probably wouldn’t want to be involved. I’m not familiar with the Fairmount brand - Is that high end or mid range? Seems like a waste for that site, with the upcoming biotech offices, the eventual seaport village re-do, and the bay front location, that seems like the obvious choice for SD’s first 5 star hotel downtown. TBH I was always skeptical about a 5 star hotel at 7th /Market. Every time I walk by there are homeless individuals yelling and doing drugs (part may be due to the Clermont hotel that I believe houses work release parolees). Were people really going to drop $500++ a night to stay at a ritz there? As disappointing as this news is, I’m not sure I saw a successful business model. I’m wondering if that affected the financing as well. I’m sure finance companies look at the conditions of the neighborhood for proposals they are going to fund, and that area is not good. I know because I live near there. It’s gotten worse in the years since the project was initially announced.

Streamliner Jan 31, 2023 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 9853124)
It’s too bad Ritz or another 5 star brand isn’t slated for the Manchester hotel .. bay views would be a big selling point for luxury rooms. Of course, the design of that is so awful based on the renders, high-end brands probably wouldn’t want to be involved. I’m not familiar with the Fairmount brand - Is that high end or mid range? Seems like a waste for that site, with the upcoming biotech offices, the eventual seaport village re-do, and the bay front location, that seems like the obvious choice for SD’s first 5 star hotel downtown. TBH I was always skeptical about a 5 star hotel at 7th /Market. Every time I walk by there are homeless individuals yelling and doing drugs (part may be due to the Clermont hotel that I believe houses work release parolees). Were people really going to drop $500++ a night to stay at a ritz there? As disappointing as this news is, I’m not sure I saw a successful business model. I’m wondering if that affected the financing as well. I’m sure finance companies look at the conditions of the neighborhood for proposals they are going to fund, and that area is not good. I know because I live near there. It’s gotten worse in the years since the project was initially announced.

I don't think there's a universal standard for star ratings when it comes to hotels, but this hotel could possibly be considered a 5-star hotel. The Grand Del Mar is a Fairmont-run property, and is supposedly one of the more luxurious ones in San Diego. The Grand Del Mar even has a three-star Michelin restaurant, so they may similarly pull out all the stops for their downtown "landmark".

Also, I'm hoping that while I will never like the massing of this tower, maybe the materials will be high quality so it won't come off so depressing.

Image again for reference:

https://images.sdbj.com/wp-content/u...-1-photo-3.jpg

Streamliner Feb 2, 2023 1:31 AM

European chain wants to build 17-story hotel in downtown San Diego near site of proposed Ritz-Carlton

Lori Weisberg
February 1, 2023
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...d-ritz-carlton

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...nm-lad-542.jpg
^ Photo is of CitizenM’s hotel in downtown Los Angeles. The hotel chain’s projects typically have a similar design, no matter where they are located.

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Citizen M, a Netherlands-based hotel chain that has just eight locations in the U.S., is now setting its sights on downtown San Diego, where it’s hoping to build a 17-story highrise at the corner of 7th Avenue and Market Street.

The planned location is just across the street from the city-owned site where Cisterra has long planned to develop a 164-room Ritz-Carlton hotel
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The 10,000-square-foot site of the proposed San Diego hotel is located at 702 Market St. and is currently occupied by a surface parking lot. CitizenM acquired the site last August, Sokol said, after spending years surveying San Diego for the perfect location.”

“This site really checked that box for us,” Sokol added. “We had looked at this area over the years, and it’s in one of the most well-rounded neighborhoods, with the convention center, ballpark, a really healthy mix of leisure and business. The locations that just serve business are a tougher sell these days because no one knows what that recovery looks like.”

Sokol won’t say how much the company has budgeted for the project, which would take two years to construct.

SDCAL Feb 2, 2023 3:20 AM

Lori Weisberg should do a story on the history of the Seventh and Market site.

That plot of land is so central but seems to have nothing but problems associated with it.

The Ritz project isn’t the first project to go down in flames.

Back in the 2007/8 time-frame, a big scandal involving Nancy Graham, the head of the previous downtown redev agency, caused a project planned there to be cancelled. Here’s an old render of it and some stories I found on the internet:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ene_3large.jpg

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2008/09/11...-audit-of-sedc

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sdut-...htmlstory.html

There has also been the history of the Clermont hotel on that site which is another interesting facet. The site has also been described as an important area for African American history, and groups have wanted that reflected in developments there:

https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/.../city-light-1/

Believe it or not, the Clermont hotel has been around since the 1800s!?!?!?!?

I found this interesting article on the history of downtown, and extracted the snipet about Clermont (but the whole article is fascinating)!

https://gaslampfoundation.org/reuben...storic-haunts/

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In 1887, the historic Clermont Hotel opened its doors to both whites and “people of color” which, in those times, included anyone who was not considered white. This became very important when in 1915, San Diego hosted the Panama-California Exposition, which brought tourists from all over the world to our city. Many were not white and needed places to stay. The Clermont, located at 501 7th Avenue, has an historical designation and still operates as a low-income residential hotel.
In addition to all that, that lot was apparently also a used car lot at one point that the city closed down due to hookers there. Here’s a comment from a recent UT article on the demise of this site:

“ I remember that lot (7th/Market) Former home of Ed Scholder’s used cars. Unpaved, bumpy dirt lot. I bought a 1950 Wills Jeepster from him and his son on that lot in the 1980s. A fine car. The city put him out of business because of the hookers doing business in the cars. Since mine was a convertible, it probably saw the most action of all. Convertibles are so romantic. Ed told the city that the hooking had stopped, but the guy from the Giant Photo shop across the street took recent photos and showed them at the Planning Commission meeting. He used to really tick off his neighbors in Crown Point, where he parked his excess inventory on the street. Or at least that is how I remember it.”

Let’s face it, seventh and market is definitely a storied piece of San Diego, will be extremely interesting to see what cast of characters take on the next chapter :)

HurricaneHugo Feb 3, 2023 1:24 AM

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Streamliner Feb 3, 2023 5:18 PM

^ I don't know why, but those pics aren't showing up for me

HurricaneHugo Feb 6, 2023 8:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Streamliner (Post 9856647)
^ I don't know why, but those pics aren't showing up for me

Tried to take a shortcut and just link from my Google Photos.

Building next to the Courthouse:
https://i.imgur.com/sLEHXjy.jpg

8th & Broadway:
https://i.imgur.com/9Fu6rVT.jpg

3 of my 5 favorite buildings:
https://i.imgur.com/b6XjcTO.jpg

negentropic behavior Feb 7, 2023 8:47 PM

RADD new pics
 
Took some pictures of the RADD development during a jog the other day, a few of the shorter buildings have extensive curtain wall installations already (one looks nearly complete).

Overall the development looks pretty stubby, but at least one building is taller that the Navy headquarters. If/when Seaport Village is replaced by the aquarium, 500 ft observation tower, new hotels, etc. I think we'll appreciate the variety of building heights.

Fingers crossed that my images are showing up below

https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...phGtkLgB3jqXkY
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...B4mQLHikJAvf8h
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...9eGAleEPAtzLvy
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...cnMPQLrYP2UdYf
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...W0SHTjPc_euBXY
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...lqTH-qt_Al_YtZ
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...YSFdkDu9ntrQPF
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...yGxifGFP8s2jmm

https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...phGtkLgB3jqXkY
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ivKXMXr47npuPCmg9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/4Xe35qFTWEfBXZ2k8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xeRZbNYJfZNbscYK6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/h9U1xgtCNqqqANqY6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/dCy57XpRRsodEmXR9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UTF2Hp52UpjRmfWC8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/aePruhbG1cjteDvJ6

BuildSanDiego Feb 7, 2023 9:23 PM

Pics
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by negentropic behavior (Post 9859831)
Took some pictures of the RADD development during a jog the other day, a few of the shorter buildings have extensive curtain wall installations already (one looks nearly complete).

Overall the development looks pretty stubby, but at least one building is taller that the Navy headquarters. If/when Seaport Village is replaced by the aquarium, 500 ft observation tower, new hotels, etc. I think we'll appreciate the variety of building heights.

Fingers crossed that my images are showing up below

https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...phGtkLgB3jqXkY
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...B4mQLHikJAvf8h
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...9eGAleEPAtzLvy
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...cnMPQLrYP2UdYf
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...W0SHTjPc_euBXY
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...lqTH-qt_Al_YtZ
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...YSFdkDu9ntrQPF
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...yGxifGFP8s2jmm

https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...phGtkLgB3jqXkY
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ivKXMXr47npuPCmg9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/4Xe35qFTWEfBXZ2k8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xeRZbNYJfZNbscYK6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/h9U1xgtCNqqqANqY6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/dCy57XpRRsodEmXR9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UTF2Hp52UpjRmfWC8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/aePruhbG1cjteDvJ6

Sorry, pics don’t show.

Streamliner Feb 8, 2023 11:02 PM

Are there any updates on Bosa's partner tower to Pacific Gate? The one next to Santa Fe Depot? Also, any news on whatever will replace the Office Depot next to Pacific Gate? I am eager to see what ends up proposed there since those two plots will help define the skyline from the Bay.

HurricaneHugo Feb 9, 2023 7:08 AM

Anybody go to the public meeting on Midway Rising?

aekrid Feb 9, 2023 3:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Streamliner (Post 9860931)
Are there any updates on Bosa's partner tower to Pacific Gate? The one next to Santa Fe Depot? Also, any news on whatever will replace the Office Depot next to Pacific Gate? I am eager to see what ends up proposed there since those two plots will help define the skyline from the Bay.

Wouldn't be surprised if those are stalled. There's been very minimal activity at bosa's 8th and B project as of late.

Streamliner Feb 9, 2023 5:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 9861277)
Anybody go to the public meeting on Midway Rising?

I didn't realize there was one. I would have liked to push for more density/height so the mission hills NIMBYs don't drown everyone else out.

mello Feb 9, 2023 6:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Streamliner (Post 9860931)
Are there any updates on Bosa's partner tower to Pacific Gate? The one next to Santa Fe Depot? Also, any news on whatever will replace the Office Depot next to Pacific Gate? I am eager to see what ends up proposed there since those two plots will help define the skyline from the Bay.

I called the corporate BOSA office in Vancouver pre covid in 2019 and asked what was up with the Partner to Pac Gate. The guy said they are waiting because they felt that wealthy Chinese buyers had dried up.... I thought that was more of a Vancouver thing. Rich people from Vegas, PHX, Dallas etc have units in Pac Gate you don't need Chinese or Russian Oligarch buyers... Then with all the funny money printed out of thin air in 20 and 21 so many rich people got waaaay richer so I don't understand why they aren't building there frankly it makes no sense.

Oh he also said they were waiting to see how the huge Manchester plan turned out, well its looking pretty good now that it is one of the worlds largest Biotech hubs :cheers:

JSW Feb 10, 2023 6:48 PM

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Originally Posted by aekrid (Post 9861407)
Wouldn't be surprised if those are stalled. There's been very minimal activity at bosa's 8th and B project as of late.

I have a view right over the pit on 8th and B- definitely stalled, but they do keep a presence on site. And actually, this week I've seen more activity with new material arriving, more workers banging around on something on the south side of the pit.

ArchGuy1 Feb 10, 2023 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by negentropic behavior (Post 9859831)
Took some pictures of the RADD development during a jog the other day, a few of the shorter buildings have extensive curtain wall installations already (one looks nearly complete).

Overall the development looks pretty stubby, but at least one building is taller that the Navy headquarters. If/when Seaport Village is replaced by the aquarium, 500 ft observation tower, new hotels, etc. I think we'll appreciate the variety of building heights.

Fingers crossed that my images are showing up below

https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...phGtkLgB3jqXkY
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...B4mQLHikJAvf8h
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...9eGAleEPAtzLvy
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...cnMPQLrYP2UdYf
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...W0SHTjPc_euBXY
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...lqTH-qt_Al_YtZ
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...YSFdkDu9ntrQPF
https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...yGxifGFP8s2jmm

https://photos.google.com/u/1/photo/...phGtkLgB3jqXkY
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ivKXMXr47npuPCmg9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/4Xe35qFTWEfBXZ2k8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xeRZbNYJfZNbscYK6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/h9U1xgtCNqqqANqY6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/dCy57XpRRsodEmXR9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UTF2Hp52UpjRmfWC8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/aePruhbG1cjteDvJ6

There have been several design changes for the observation tower and why has it taken so long for construction to begin on this development after being proposed in 2016.

SamFlood Feb 12, 2023 3:28 AM

Not really a fan of a park on a pier. There is a need for parking for the Midway and there's plenty of park space on the Embarcadero. Why would you block the view of the bay with trees? Anyway 5 years to redo this. Lets not rush into anything.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...3164314/?amp=1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fouymola...g&name=900x900

Northparkwizard Feb 12, 2023 6:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SamFlood (Post 9863786)
Not really a fan of a park on a pier. There is a need for parking for the Midway and there's plenty of park space on the Embarcadero. Why would you block the view of the bay with trees? Anyway 5 years to redo this. Lets not rush into anything.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...3164314/?amp=1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fouymola...g&name=900x900

Love a park on a pier (just look at Pier 64 at Hudson River Park in NYC) and there's plenty of parking here included plus another pier that is all parking next door, so I'm not sure what you're worried about.

I don't really have to say that trees won't block the view of the bay do I? There's a big open green space called BAY VIEW GREEN. Plus you need shade trees in a park, especially one that's water adjacent. Mission Bay Park has a lots of palm trees but would benefit from more shade trees.

Hope this plan sticks. It's far and away better than a parking lot.


Streamliner Feb 13, 2023 4:22 PM

I'm glad to see the Navy Pier being developed into a park. There's nothing too special going on here though, design-wise, which I suppose works well considering the existing USS Midway would be the main focal point.

I know it's a park celebrating Navy heritage, but the name is pretty bland. Freedom Park sounds like it was designed for 2003 not 2023. With "Freedom Tree", "Freedom Walk", and "Words of Freedom" panel art, it's all very uninspired.

https://www.portofsandiego.org/sites...lan%20View.jpg

homebucket Feb 13, 2023 9:38 PM

Doesn't look too bad. I understand the need for parking but I think it'd look better with an offsite garage. Right now, there's just too much surface parking and it feels very large and serves as a major physical and psychological barrier between the amphitheater section and the bay view green section.

HurricaneHugo Feb 15, 2023 8:43 AM

San Diego relaxes restrictions on how close high density housing can be from mass transit.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...s-city-council

Hopefully this means more dense housing

Streamliner Feb 15, 2023 4:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 9866489)
San Diego relaxes restrictions on how close high density housing can be from mass transit.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...s-city-council

Hopefully this means more dense housing

"infill sprawl" lol. These NIMBY's are getting creative

Will O' Wisp Feb 15, 2023 7:37 PM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9865051)
Doesn't look too bad. I understand the need for parking but I think it'd look better with an offsite garage. Right now, there's just too much surface parking and it feels very large and serves as a major physical and psychological barrier between the amphitheater section and the bay view green section.

While I somewhat agree, ADA means you need to provide handicap parking.

We'll also have to see how the green spaces work out. Designers always forget just how much dirt/irrigation/planter boxes weigh, it's usually the first thing that needs to be cut when things get to engineering. All those trees especially.

homebucket Feb 15, 2023 8:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Will O' Wisp (Post 9867084)
While I somewhat agree, ADA means you need to provide handicap parking.

We'll also have to see how the green spaces work out. Designers always forget just how much dirt/irrigation/planter boxes weigh, it's usually the first thing that needs to be cut when things get to engineering. All those trees especially.

Actually, upon further examination, is the parking really needed? It seems like there's already several large lots at the B Street Pier to the north, Tuna Harbor Park to the south, and at Pacific/Broadway to the east. Not to mention the Santa Fe Train Depot and American Plaza Trolley Station are a short 5-10 minute walk away. I imagine the future IQHQ RaDD is also going to incorporate plenty of parking.

I can't imagine why they would spend so much money and effort to redevelop the pier only to plop down another surface parking lot right in the middle of the park. It just ruins the whole vibe. If you look at other similar pier/waterfront redevelopment plans around the country, you'd be hard pressed to find many, if any, that incorporates such blatant autocentricity into what should be a pedestrian only place. Honestly, the more I look at it, the more I view this as a swing and a miss. I hope they take this back to the drawing board.

SDfan Feb 15, 2023 10:12 PM

Some non-downtown development updates, check out Impact Housing's work: https://ihousing.us/projects/

They just built a 5 story 34 unit project on Market Street in Stockton in 3 days. Their prefabrication, modular model is bringing costs down and building homes quicker. There are some bigger projects in the pipeline, including a 900 unit project in Barrio Logan.

It's going to take much more to dig San Diego out of its housing deficit, but I'm feeling more confident we can make a real dent with innovations like this.

Streamliner Feb 16, 2023 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SDfan (Post 9867292)
Some non-downtown development updates, check out Impact Housing's work: https://ihousing.us/projects/

They just built a 5 story 34 unit project on Market Street in Stockton in 3 days. Their prefabrication, modular model is bringing costs down and building homes quicker. There are some bigger projects in the pipeline, including a 900 unit project in Barrio Logan.

It's going to take much more to dig San Diego out of its housing deficit, but I'm feeling more confident we can make a real dent with innovations like this.

I hadn't heard of that Barrio Logan project. It looks like it's on the giant vacant lot next to the Trolley maintenance yard and 12th & Imperial Transit Station. They are also working on a 324-unit project at 6440 El Cajon Blvd, though it doesn't appear to have started.

Will O' Wisp Feb 17, 2023 9:45 AM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9867145)
Actually, upon further examination, is the parking really needed? It seems like there's already several large lots at the B Street Pier to the north, Tuna Harbor Park to the south, and at Pacific/Broadway to the east. Not to mention the Santa Fe Train Depot and American Plaza Trolley Station are a short 5-10 minute walk away. I imagine the future IQHQ RaDD is also going to incorporate plenty of parking.

I can't imagine why they would spend so much money and effort to redevelop the pier only to plop down another surface parking lot right in the middle of the park. It just ruins the whole vibe. If you look at other similar pier/waterfront redevelopment plans around the country, you'd be hard pressed to find many, if any, that incorporates such blatant autocentricity into what should be a pedestrian only place. Honestly, the more I look at it, the more I view this as a swing and a miss. I hope they take this back to the drawing board.

ADA law more or less mandates at least some parking be provided on the pier. You're not going to get away with telling all the old grandpas with their walkers to go park across the street.

It also looks like the museum needs truck access? They really went out of their way to ensure an eighteen wheeler can pull up right next to the ship.

Even if neither of those were true, there'd still be a ton of pressure to include parking. The B Street Pier doesn't allow access while a cruise ship is docked. IQHQ will undoubtedly charge a premium to park in their fancy underground lot. That only leaves Tuna Harbor, and with the level of traffic the Midway gets that might lead to a bit of a squeeze. Then you'll get complaints from visitors, maybe even have the Coastal Commission on your butt for "hindering public access".

All of which probably could be figured around, but the path of least resistance is just to provide parking. I wouldn't expect the Midway to be looking to generate controversy, so while the design might change that's the direction I'd expect them to go no matter what.

SDfan Feb 17, 2023 1:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Streamliner (Post 9867906)
I hadn't heard of that Barrio Logan project. It looks like it's on the giant vacant lot next to the Trolley maintenance yard and 12th & Imperial Transit Station. They are also working on a 324-unit project at 6440 El Cajon Blvd, though it doesn't appear to have started.

They have fenced off and possibly started to demo the ECB site, at least that's what google maps shows from Dec last year.

I also got my hands on an uptown/NP development map from a friend, and boy are there a lot of 8 story projects in the pipeline. It's going to be mid-rise city in the urban core, which makes sense given where rents are heading.

SDCAL Feb 20, 2023 4:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9867145)
Actually, upon further examination, is the parking really needed? It seems like there's already several large lots at the B Street Pier to the north, Tuna Harbor Park to the south, and at Pacific/Broadway to the east. Not to mention the Santa Fe Train Depot and American Plaza Trolley Station are a short 5-10 minute walk away. I imagine the future IQHQ RaDD is also going to incorporate plenty of parking.

I can't imagine why they would spend so much money and effort to redevelop the pier only to plop down another surface parking lot right in the middle of the park. It just ruins the whole vibe. If you look at other similar pier/waterfront redevelopment plans around the country, you'd be hard pressed to find many, if any, that incorporates such blatant autocentricity into what should be a pedestrian only place. Honestly, the more I look at it, the more I view this as a swing and a miss. I hope they take this back to the drawing board.

I agree. In 20 years they’ll probably be trying to get rid of the parking there like they did in front of the museum of art at balboa park.

Streamliner Feb 20, 2023 10:03 PM

I was exploring East Village via Google Streetview, and I saw this plot on the corner of 10th and Island was under construction. The construction wall had the architect's name and website, where I found some renderings. It looks to be a 9-story hotel project:

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...pg?format=750w

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...pg?format=750w

The architect, DBRDS, is from Australia, but they seem to design a lot of buildings in San Diego. Some of them I hadn't heard of (and may be stale proposals). But here's a sampling:

929 W Grape (Little Italy; corner of Pacific Highway across from Waterfront Park)
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...g?format=2500w

6th & Robinson in Hillcrest (seems unlikely):
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...g?format=2500w

Union & B. My favorite design, and is rendered to look like it's exactly 500 feet tall. Seems unlikely, but I would love more bold designs like this in SD:
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...g?format=2500w

aekrid Feb 23, 2023 5:47 PM

Looks like the city has provided a new landing page for viewing what's proposed and under construction.

https://webmaps.sandiego.gov/portal/...34d7559e5a4d98


Site prep looks under way for Holland Partner's Front and A project. Parcel is fenced off and demo activity is taking place.

SDfan Feb 23, 2023 7:27 PM

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Originally Posted by aekrid (Post 9873888)
Looks like the city has provided a new landing page for viewing what's proposed and under construction.

https://webmaps.sandiego.gov/portal/...34d7559e5a4d98


Site prep looks under way for Holland Partner's Front and A project. Parcel is fenced off and demo activity is taking place.

Thanks for sharing! I saw that they list Bosa's 8th and B tower at "Height: 40 stories; 503 feet"

Assuming that's a typo or :???:

Streamliner Mar 1, 2023 4:42 PM

San Diego plans to start construction on $27M railroad crossing at Park Boulevard near Petco Park this summer
BY JENNIFER VAN GROVE
FEB. 28, 2023 5:15 AM PT
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...rk-this-summer

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...2Fdji-0414.JPG

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Construction of the long-planned railroad crossing at Park Boulevard, which would let motorists cross over the tracks along Harbor Drive near Petco Park in downtown San Diego, could start in August.
Permits have been secured and city consultant Civic San Diego will solicit bids for work on the $27 million project in May, Christina Bibler, who is the director of the city’s economic development department, told the Union-Tribune. The updated timeline could see a contractor awarded the project in July with work beginning the following month, she said.

Construction is expected to take 18 months, meaning the crossing, barring hiccups, could be completed by February 2025. The work must be finished by September 22, 2025, per the most recent deadline imposed by the California Public Utilities Commission, which governs the high-traffic rail site.
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Just southeast of the former Eighth Avenue crossing, the Park Boulevard at-grade crossing would let cars drive over tracks operated by the Metropolitan Transit System and Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway Company, connecting the southern portion of the Convention Center to the ballpark. Currently, the closest vehicle crossing is at Fifth Avenue and Harbor Drive.

JSW Mar 1, 2023 7:01 PM

....Finally!! As someone who used to live in the southeastern quadrant of East Village, it's insane how difficult it is to access the waterfront by bike / scooter considering how close that neighborhood is.

I imagine this has got the Hilton hotel quite excited as well. I had family staying there last year, and the route you currently have to take to drive in is not exactly appealing to say the least.

One step closer to making that part of the water much easier to get to all around.

:cheers:

SamFlood Mar 1, 2023 11:00 PM

It probably has to open sooner than later because the Gaslamp is going forward with the promenade project that closes of 5th avenue.

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-...alking-dining/

HurricaneHugo Mar 2, 2023 9:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JSW (Post 9879578)
....Finally!! As someone who used to live in the southeastern quadrant of East Village, it's insane how difficult it is to access the waterfront by bike / scooter considering how close that neighborhood is.

One step closer to making that part of the water much easier to get to all around.

:cheers:

Dude if I have no longer have to take Harbor Drive on a bike any longer, that would be a huge plus.

Almost got hit at like 40mph. :runaway:

HurricaneHugo Mar 4, 2023 5:46 AM

Anybody know what these cranes are building?

Not my picture, found on Reddit:

https://i.redd.it/w69b4dl42nla1.jpg

SamFlood Mar 4, 2023 2:32 PM

https://plandesignbuild.ucsd.edu/pro...t-Living-and-L


https://oxblue.com/archive/731ef846a...?ts=1659727837

HurricaneHugo Mar 4, 2023 6:55 PM

Oh I did not know that PCE already started construction!

Sorely needed student housing

Streamliner Mar 6, 2023 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 9882878)
Oh I did not know that PCE already started construction!

Sorely needed student housing

Yeah they were able to get that started quickly. On the other side of campus, they are planning another 2,400 beds (Ridge Walk North), and the Theater District project is pretty far along and will provide 2,000 beds.

Streamliner Mar 6, 2023 8:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Streamliner (Post 9884084)
Yeah they were able to get that started quickly. On the other side of campus, they are planning another 2,400 beds (Ridge Walk North), and the Theater District project is pretty far along and will provide 2,000 beds.

I just HurricaneHugo was referring to Pepper Canyon East, but it's Pepper Canyon West that started construction. That's the one in SamFlood's photo above. 1300 beds, 23 floors. Here's a render:

https://today.ucsd.edu/news_uploads/...on-housing.jpg

Ridge Walk North doesn't seem to have much online yet. But I found this one when googling:

https://www.henselphelps.com/wp-cont...LEVEL_DUSK.jpg

SamFlood Mar 7, 2023 12:25 AM

Children's park is still under construction after groundbreaking in May of 2021



https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...58848cb2_b.jpg



https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d2b21b4e_b.jpg

Streamliner Mar 8, 2023 5:08 PM

I saw this article/video that was pretty interesting. I also posted it on the main City Discussions forum:


How one downtown rebounded from the pandemic, even as others struggle
BY ASH-HAR QURAISHI, AMY CORRAL, RYAN BEARD

MARCH 7, 2023 / 6:00 AM / CBS NEWS

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/san-die...ties-struggle/

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At the onset of the pandemic in the spring of 2020, downtowns across the country emptied out. Soft lockdowns, office closures and a massive shift to remote work meant businesses in the urban core that were traditionally dependent on the daily foot traffic of commuters were at risk of financial ruin.

In San Diego, a downtown economy dependent on tourism and convention-goers, restaurant owners were bracing for the worst.
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The city's downtown rebound is something of an anomaly. Many cities are struggling to entice remote workers and residents back to the urban core.

New data from researchers at the University of California, Berkeley and the University of Toronto indicates that most American downtowns are still struggling.

"We started the study early in the pandemic, as we noticed folks departing actually in New York City," said Karen Chapple, professor emerita of city and regional planning at UC Berkeley and the study's lead author. "That was our first case that we looked at was the New York City, the metropolitan area, realizing that folks were leaving for the exurbs, for rural small towns all over the region."

Chapple and her team analyzed those patterns using cell phone data in 62 downtowns. They studied how much activity there was before, during and after the pandemic.

"It's a very significant number of pings all over North America that we were able to collect, about 18 million pings," she said. "We record all kinds of activity, and that's what makes it better than, say, those office footfall indicators or office vacancy rates, which are only looking at office workers. We're looking at everybody who comes downtown."

San Diego, it turns out was near the top of the list by the end of 2022 — recovering 99% of its pre-pandemic activity.

"What San Diego did right is it made a 24/7 city," said Chapple.

That resiliency was due in part to economic plans that started long before COVID.

"There's decades of planning and a lot of thought that's gone into it. And that has made San Diego one of the most resilient cities in North America," said Chapple.
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One strategy that seems to have paid off was having a diverse job sector that continued to bring employees into their downtown workplaces. San Diego's downtown industries included food services, accommodations, education, and health care.

"Like they said about Bill Clinton, 'It's the economy, stupid,' because if you have the right mix of sectors, you're doing pretty well right now. But if you were too specialized, you might be suffering," said Chapple.

San Diego didn't over-specialize, whereas tech heavy cities ended up flatlining since many "techies" now work remotely.

"San Francisco might have been able to come back," she said. "It had a compromised hybrid work situation with its tech sector. But now it's going through the layoffs, and that's what's happening in in Los Angeles and Seattle and Portland and a few other tech places too."
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Andy-4-SD Mar 22, 2023 4:50 PM

UC San Diego to spend $1.1 billion to build huge student center and campus housing

https://www.lajollalight.com/news/st...campus-housing

A rendering depicts the Triton Center, which will house student services as well as health, alumni and outreach programs.
A rendering depicts the Triton Center, which will house student services as well as health, alumni and outreach programs. (UC San Diego)
The Triton Center is meant to become the beating heart of the university, and Ridgewalk North will become one of the school’s largest residential villages.
BY GARY ROBBINS
MARCH 22, 2023 8 AM PT
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Continuing a decade-long boom, the University of California Board of Regents has given its San Diego campus in La Jolla permission to build a huge student center and a 2,400-bed housing complex that will jointly cost $1.1 billion.

The campus said it will start constructing the Triton Center and the Ridgewalk North Living and Learning Neighborhood this summer while the school is in the midst of building two other villages that will house 3,130 students.

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The projects are part of a larger effort by the regents to accommodate thousands more students, primarily from California. Over the past decade, the system’s enrollment has soared by 55,610 students, hitting 294,309. The growth has caused a serious housing shortage.

“We’re very committed to expanding student housing,” said Rich Leib, a San Diego businessman who serves as chairman of the Board of Regents. “Studies have shown that students do better when they live close together. And the housing we’re talking about generally has rents that are 20 to 30 percent below market prices.”

A substantial portion of that growth is occurring at UCSD, which still has room to expand. The campus currently has about 43,000 students, up from 29,517 in fall 2013. Chancellor Pradeep Khosla says enrollment could reach 50,000 in about a decade.

The $428 million Triton Center complex will be composed of four buildings that will house everything from student health services to an alumni and welcome center. One of the buildings will include a 500-person event space and an art gallery.

A rendering shows the Ridgewalk North Living and Learning Neighborhood.
A rendering shows the Ridgewalk North Living and Learning Neighborhood.(UC San Diego )
In addition to 2,400 beds for undergraduates, Ridgewalk North will feature administrative and teaching space for Thurgood Marshall College, the School of Global Policy and Strategy and the Department of Economics, the campus said. There will be 19 new classrooms, a dining center and a 150-seat lecture hall.

The village will look like a small city. One of its buildings will be 18 stories tall, another will be 16 stories and a third will be 10. A separate academic building will rise to six stories. UCSD already is building six residential towers that range in height from 16 to 22 stories.

Ridgewalk North will be not far from Geisel Library. It is scheduled to open in late 2025. Triton Center, which will be close to a campus Blue Line trolley station, will open in 2026.

The projects are being built “in pursuit of the intellectual, physical and cultural transformation of our campus,” Khosla said in a statement. ◆

unpermitted_variance Mar 22, 2023 9:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy-4-SD (Post 9898899)
UC San Diego to spend $1.1 billion to build huge student center and campus housing

https://www.lajollalight.com/news/st...campus-housing


I've trawled around and there's only a couple renderings available and no site plans for the Ridgewalk development. The article includes this rendering:

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...Fridgewalk.jpg

Buildings at 18, 16, 10 and 6 stories. Streamliner also shared another rendering a few posts up.


Project is to replace the Marshall Lower dorms and several academic and administration buildings.

Location:

https://i.imgur.com/pll54Tj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7LjPU7H.jpg


Triton Center has this rendering on UCSD's website:

https://plandesignbuild.ucsd.edu/_im...ton-Center.jpg

Here are a couple older renderings, not sure if they're still accurate to the scope of the project:

https://media.sandiegoreader.com/img...08e3fa67d9af9d

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...architects.jpg


EYRC architects also has renderings for a "Triton Pavilion" on their site, I'm not sure if this is still current:

https://www.eyrc.com/hs-fs/hubfs/EYR...unity-ppt1.jpg


Triton Center location:

https://i.imgur.com/L2QlWm6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ibmy1gt.jpg


Overall, I'm surprised that the university hasn't released more detailed renderings and site plans yet; I recall much more having been publicly available when the Theater District project was approved by UC Regents in 2020.

These are the documents from the most recent Regents meeting:

Triton Center:
https://regents.universityofcaliforn...t/mar23/f8.pdf

Ridge Walk LLC:
https://regents.universityofcaliforn...t/mar23/f9.pdf


Overall, very exciting to see the university continue to modernize and urbanize. Students in 5-10 years will have an entirely different university experience from those of us who've already graduated.

Streamliner Mar 23, 2023 12:18 AM

The Ridge Walk North project has site plans and building cross sections in their CEQA documents:

https://plandesignbuild.ucsd.edu/pla...Impact-Reports

Ridge Walk is Addendum number 12 here. Site plans start on page 17 of the pdf. Addendum 11 is the Triton Center. I think that awesome EYRC rendering is from an earlier iteration. It would have been amazing though.


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