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eburess, I use to live in Denton. Do you have any pics of what that area looks like now?
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This is the only photo of Denton I have!! hahaha :)
http://www.alicia-logic.com/capsimag..._007Denton.jpg Seriously, it has been a few years since I've been there, but it was already on its way to becoming another huge suburb for Dallas and Ft. Worth like Plano, Frisco, McKinney, etc. Edit --> For the record, I think it would be ideal for San Diego if the majority of their commercial development were downtown. I'm not saying SD should look like these other cities - I'm just surprised that it doesn't. :) |
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The last thing we need is suburban office towers. Developments like those in the picture are downtown killers. In OC we have no serious downtown. That is why we have those highrises spread through out the county. By the way the highrises are generally architecturally insignificant (aka boxy and boring). Lets keep the office highrises downtown with significant architecture. (IM PEI)
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Keep in mind that San Diego has a lower population than Dallas, Atlanta, and Houston. If they have 50% more people, I'd expect them to have 50% more offices. Remember that San Diego has an extremely low office vacancy rate as many of the aforementioned cities do not. Many were overbuilt a number of years ago on speculation. It is also true that San Diego has a more unconventional workforce consisting of a large number of entrepreneurs. Anyone see the list of cities with the highest venture capital investments. San Diego was aprox #5 in the nation beating out many larger cities.
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^^yeah, i did see that. thats one of the reasons i posted the article a few pages ago about rent prices for office space. low cap companies not being able to afford places like Downtown, UTC, & Sorrento push them towards the I-15 corridor and lower rent office space around the county.
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I noticed in the recent population stats that San Diego county surpassed Orange County. SD County is now the 2nd most populous California county. Go figure.
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I do disagree in the sense that even though these cities do have an abundance of downtown-killing office developments, they do also have incredibly beautiful downtown architecture. Granted, consolidating the office developments downtown would make for more downtown office buildings, but it's not like having one (suburban buildings) totally destroys the other (beautiful downtown architecture). I also disagree in that here in SD, it's not as if the relative lack of suburban office development has caused this wealth of architecturally significant (non-boxy or boring) office towers downtown. When Pei/Cobb build their "signature" office tower, that will make one "signature" office tower in downtown. :) |
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IMO, San Diego needs to build an airport and then focus on attracting/encouraging corporate relocations/expansion, because although there are other factors influencing SD's population (e.g., cost of living), people aren't going to move here if there aren't places to work. |
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San Diego Building height restrictions
Sorry for all the posts, I am new to this site.
Does anyone know where the actual written "law" regarding San Diego's 500ft building height restriction is located? I have searched the internet and can't find anything. All anyone hears is that we can't have buildings taller than 500ft downtown due to the close proximity of the airport, but wasn't this policy made long ago when downtown was confined to the marina area near the airport?? Now that downtown has expanded east of the ballpark, I am wondering if specific boundaires were mentioned for the restriction when the policy was written. When I am in East Village east of the ballpark, I never hear planes overhead or see any and I have a hard time believing East Village skyscrapers would pose a problem to the flight paths at Linbergh field???? |
The Population from the census bureau
People QuickFacts Orange County California
Population definition and source info Population, 2005 estimate 2,988,072 People QuickFacts San Diego County California Population definition and source info Population, 2005 estimate 2,933,462 So unless there is something that others are seeing that I am not census bureau still has OC as bigger. |
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Here are some renderings of the project: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...orDistrict.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...k/CVMarina.jpg The Chula Vista Bayfront Master Plan is going to be built on 500 acres of Bayfront land. That does not include what could be built on 160 acres south of that Bayfront Master plan. Take a look at this map: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...ik/CVMPCSO.jpg The area outline in blue is the Chula Vista Bayfront Master Plan. That is where the Gaylord hotel & Convention center will be. It will also have condo towers, shops, restraunts, and public plazas. The outline in red is where the South Bay Power Plant currently sits. The CV City Council and Port of San Diego have already voted to get rid of the aging power plant. It is now one of the proposed sites for a new Chargers Stadium. This area could be turning into a very good urban bayfront in the near future. |
the Chula Vista project looks nice:tup:
and i couldnt agree with you guys more about the airport being key...its so unfortunate:( |
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but how come you emphasized the no height limit? do you think Chula Vista will build a tower taller than 500 feet? |
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E-2. California County Population Estimates and Components of Change by Year — July 1, 2000–2006 (.xls, 136k) http://www.dof.ca.gov/HTML/DEMOGRAP/...-2_2000-06.asp As of July 2006 SD: 3,084,634 OC: 3,083,894 |
^blame the Santa Fe Valley :P
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anybody catching the police pursuit?
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ive been watching the NBC one too, but now im flipping between the Padres and NBC...i thought we were gunna have a border incident for a second;)
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how many precincts do you think got involved? |
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i saw Oceanside (i believe) and SD County at least
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BS strike 3 call in the Pads game:(
so anyways, after the heart-breaking game, i drove past Bayside and they have a fancy illuminated ad at the site...pretty cool AND i found the R2-D2 mailbox:jester:its in front of the County Courthouse |
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:previous: That's very intertesting. And I think it's important to note too. This is why I think it's so key that we secure a good location for Lindberg field. The city needs a place that is still relatively close to downtown that will give the Airport room to grow with the city. It has to be convinient or no one will want to use it. There is also absolutely NO reason why San Diego cannot be a hub for international travel and relations. Think about it. There is no other city in the United States that is positioned as well as San Diego for International synergy. Miami is in a good location, but it's not physically connected to any other countries. There is at least 50 miles of ocean between the closest country and Miami and look how well they've positioned themselves as the "Gateway to Latin America". We are just as close as Miami is to all those countries and there is no reason why San Diego cannot develop itself into the west-coast counterpart to Miami as an international hub. Look at all the good it's doing for Miami too. They are getting development downtown like there is no tomorrow! Not more than a few years ago, they completed what is the tallest building in the state, and now they are surpassing that building several times over. If San Diego plans to expand into anything like this, it need to get it's head out of it's ass and get rid of nimbys like Donna Frye. What they don't realize is that we have a lot of real estate to work with. There is no reason why San Diego cannot keep the small town surf-city feel that it's always had while embracing it's ties with International Business, Location and opportunity. We already have the military here, we have the technology industry here. San Diego can easily become a world class city. My vision for the city would be to move the airport to the proposed Miramar location, expand the city north to where the airport was and south towards National City and Chula Vista. We have a lot of prime real estate along the water and I think we should make better use of it. :tup: |
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Andrew, SDCAL, you guys rock:)
i totally agree with both of you and you guys make excellent points! |
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The company I work for is now based in San Diego and they are a Multi-national corporation. There is a lot of travel to Japan for us and I am glad that they are putting that kind of faith in SD to provide the future means to easily travel back and forth. It's time the SD gives back to the companies like mine that have invested in the city in such a way. |
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Moving on. As far as the height limit is concerned, I have also had a difficult time trying to find official documentation of this. I think I remember someone posting something on here a year or more ago regarding this that included maps etc. We have all bene wondering the same thing as far as the lasting validity of that policy goes. There is no reason why the 500' limit cannot be raised to at least 700'. This sentiment has existed for a long time too...and not just with us SSP Forumers. Gary Shaw, the Publisher of the San Diego Metropolitan Business Report wrote in October of 2003: "As for the FAA’s 500-foot height limit over the southeastern reaches of East Village, the same height limit imposed a mile to the northwest closer to Lindbergh Field, the time is now to raise that limit. Stacking 25 stories of condos on top of 25 stories of offices makes fine sense. Better here than sprawling to Ramona." Other people see value in this and I think it's only a matter of time before this issue is addressed; whether the airport moves or not. |
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oh my goodness...i didnt realize you were new here SDCAL...welcome;)
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^now thats something i didnt think of!
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For it's height, San Diego probably has one of the densest skylines in the country. A few buildings with some extra height would really change the feel of the skyline. Think of San Francisco. They only have a couple very-tall buildings, but the position and character of those buildings give the skyline a larger than life sort of iconic presence.
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so...who wants to lead the rebellion against the city council and the Miramar officials?;)
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Someone other than me needs to contact Kehoe and tell her to get onboard. For your pleasures from the California High Speed Rail Authority web site: http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...l/chsramap.jpg http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...l/ModeTime.jpg http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...l/1981-TGV.jpg |
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