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bmfarley Apr 14, 2007 3:56 AM

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Originally Posted by keg92101 (Post 2766060)
This to me is a mediocre 60's 70's building, which is what all poor attempts of Richard Meier knock off Buildings are. This look done right is below...

http://www.mandevilleplace.com/images/photo5_lg.jpg

Now that looks nice! Although I don't agree with the adjacent parking structure being a stand alone structure (or nearly stand alone) and above grade. What? was the water keeping the builder from utilizing the ground underneath the building becuase of a little tiny thing called a water table?

eburress Apr 14, 2007 5:20 AM

^^ Yeah, they could have hidden the garage better.

Derek Apr 14, 2007 5:35 AM

anybody think this will actually break ground any time soon? (design aside...)

spoonman Apr 14, 2007 7:38 AM

I wish more new buildings would look like Cosmo or Embassy...grrrrr. I'm thankful for all of the contributions Bosa has made, but in my opinion, this new Bosa building is just another retread. Like it or not, Cosmo Square and Embassy are both unique designs.

Embassy 1414
http://www.ccdc.com/images/propertyImages/EMBASSY.jpg
Cosmo Square
http://www.ccdc.com/images/propertyI...0Rendering.jpg

Derek Apr 14, 2007 7:42 AM

Embassy! oh my goodness...i forgot about that beauty:(

anybody got news on it? (if any...:()

spoonman Apr 14, 2007 7:45 AM

Embassy still has a fully functional website, but that really doesn't mean too much.

sandiego_urban Apr 14, 2007 7:46 AM

I just love how we all turn into architecture critics whenever a new rendering comes out :)

I actually don't think Bosa's new proposal is bad looking. It doesn't make me go "Wow!", but it's far from being called ugly. I'm really liking the cool blue/green of the glass. As spoonman said earlier, at least Bosa is going for a slightly different look, i.e, no more "fins"!

We must be spoiled, because I'm sure other cities out there would kill to have this tower in their skyline, and here we are poo-pooing it....

I think this proposal looks like a hybrid of the proposed Solara Tower and the undercontruction Sapphire Tower -

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...olaraTower.jpg + http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ment/saph3.jpg = http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...d1stAvenue.jpg


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Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2766898)
anybody think this will actually break ground any time soon? (design aside...)

Bosa does not mess around, and I think this will break ground sooner than we think. Look what happened with Bayside? Construction began without any warning.

According to CCDC, this project will also have 23,000sf of retail/commercial space.

Derek Apr 14, 2007 7:48 AM

nice comparison...i can see it too



and thanks for the input towards Embassy:)

Derek Apr 14, 2007 7:49 AM

oh...one more question...do any of us have any NEVP phasing information?

spoonman Apr 14, 2007 7:58 AM

I checked CCDC for info about Cosmo and Electra.

Comso is supposed to start in the "spring" of this year, so we might see something happen soon...or not.

As for Embassy 1414; CCDC only notes the time of completion, which is in 2009. The company behind Embassy has another small development under construction near Old Town which the company clearly chose to pursue first. That is not a healthy sign for this project. In my opinion, Cosmo has a much better chance of happening. I think we are all ok with that...as long as we get one of these.

spoonman Apr 14, 2007 7:59 AM

Nevp?

bmfarley Apr 14, 2007 8:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sandiego_urban (Post 2767016)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...d1stAvenue.jpg

Bosa does not mess around, and I think this will break ground sooner than we think. Look what happened with Bayside? Construction began without any warning.

According to CCDC, this project will also have 23,000sf of retail/commercial space.

Btw, where did this project come from? Was it recently approved by CCDC? If that action just took place I believe it will take several months to get final plans and specs done up by an arch & engineer. I suppose then they'll get a bid for construction and stuff. That could mean Spring 2008 for ground breaking. No?

Derek Apr 14, 2007 8:02 AM

^i first heard of it back in December...possibly early January...im not sure if it is approved or not, as this is the first rendering i have seen of First and Island (aka First and J)

Derek Apr 14, 2007 8:02 AM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 2767031)
Nevp?

North Embarcadero Visionary Plan

spoonman Apr 14, 2007 8:04 AM

^That is a good point. On this one though my gut tells me this building has probably been pretty well outlined already. This is going to be Bosa's 7th building downtown. They could be using plans from a building that they did in Vancouver for all we know...

Derek Apr 14, 2007 8:11 AM

i agree, the rendering is very detailed for the public's first time seeing it...

bmfarley Apr 14, 2007 8:13 AM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 2767030)
I checked CCDC for info about Cosmo and Electra.

Comso is supposed to start in the "spring" of this year, so we might see something happen soon...or not.

As for Embassy 1414; CCDC only notes the time of completion, which is in 2009. The company behind Embassy has another small development under construction near Old Town which the company clearly chose to pursue first. That is not a healthy sign for this project. In my opinion, Cosmo has a much better chance of happening. I think we are all ok with that...as long as we get one of these.

The developer of Embassy is Constellation Property Group. They have a project in National City and have recently asked that city for a loan to get the project going.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1m6ncloan.html

Derek Apr 14, 2007 8:14 AM

so its not looking good?

sandiego_urban Apr 14, 2007 8:16 AM

Damn you, spoonman, why did you have to go and bring up Embassy and Cosmo? Now I'm going to cry ;)


Quote:

Originally Posted by bmfarley
Btw, where did this project come from? Was it recently approved by CCDC? If that action just took place I believe it will take several months to get final plans and specs done up by an arch & engineer. I suppose then they'll get a bid for construction and stuff. That could mean Spring 2008 for ground breaking. No?

Good question. I went back to the Sept 2006 CCDC board meeting and saw that a permit application had been submitted for the 1st and J project even before then.

Derek Apr 14, 2007 8:16 AM

hold up hold up...SCREW NATIONAL CITY (sorry National City, but you can wait...)

shouldnt they be concentrating on thier "signature" tower that they promised to build downtown before working on other projects in the SD area?


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