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toxteth o'grady

Apr 22, 2014 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timoric (Post 6548714)

Where are all these new downtown high rise folks going to buy groceries at?

Trader Joe's on Shepherd.

I would imagine one of the grocers is going to get the hint, find a lot in Midtown or possibly near St. Joseph's and build something.

timoric

Apr 22, 2014 1:06 PM

M. Incandenza

Apr 22, 2014 1:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktp7 (Post 6548495)

The building looks great and definitely complements the area well. I love its interaction at ground level and the retail will be an added plus for the park users. I noticed on haif that the tower decreased a little in height. Does that mean there will be fewer units?

Downtown will definitely seem like a completely different place in a couple of years. It looks like all the residential projects are starting to take steps forward.

Definitely great looking street-level interaction! My new favorite high-rise project for the city.

glowrock

Apr 22, 2014 1:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timoric (Post 6548714)

Where are all these new downtown high rise folks going to buy groceries at? Will they all drive someplace? take a taxi or is there a decent public transportation option (light rail) with a good store a few stops away?

Where exactly is the best place to live without a car in Houston anyway with good bars, restaurants, stores etc in walking distance, and rail too?

The Phoenicia Market is across downtown in the One Park Place tower, and has pretty much everything you need. It's actually quite huge. That being said, a traditional Kroger store is located about a mile south of the middle of downtown and is easily accessible.

Aaron (Glowrock)

glowrock

Apr 22, 2014 1:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toxteth o'grady (Post 6548721)

Trader Joe's on Shepherd.

I would imagine one of the grocers is going to get the hint, find a lot in Midtown or possibly near St. Joseph's and build something.

Why no love for Phoenicia? Why no love for the Kroger already in Midtown very near Downtown? :)

Aaron (Glowrock)

ktp7	Apr 22, 2014 3:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timoric (Post 6548714)

It is about a 12 minute bus ride (5 minute car ride) to the Randalls in Midtown from Market Square. Light Rail is also an option, but there isn't a stop right next to the store so there is a little more walking required.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Mark...!2d29.7489!3e3

As mentioned earlier, Phoenicia is on Discovery Green and will be within walking distance of many of the new residences. There is also a CVS and other convenience stores along Main.

Urbannizer

Apr 22, 2014 4:11 PM

Clev	Apr 22, 2014 4:56 PM

Great pictures.

toxteth o'grady

Apr 22, 2014 5:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timoric (Post 6548744)

Urban Living Good Stuff:
1. Grocery Store
2. Bar
3. Gym
4. Walking, biking, etc paths
5. Open field for impromptu volleyball, kickball, etc
6. A Hashing Running group to drink and run once a week.

It helps that the Montrose is just west of downtown. An intrepid soul can walk over to those things.

toxteth o'grady

Apr 22, 2014 5:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glowrock (Post 6548766)

Why no love for Phoenicia? Why no love for the Kroger already in Midtown very near Downtown? :)

Aaron (Glowrock)

I've never experienced Phoenicia. I need to see if it's like Trader Joe's, which sells organic at a reasonable price, or whether it's more on the Whole Foods/Sprouts model, which is that anything organic has to cost double.

There are plenty of HEB's in Houston, but not a Central Market, from what I can tell. Central's pretty good and sells soymilk cheaper than Costco. Since HEB owns Central Market, that would be a natural for downtown.

And with that, enough free product placement.:notacrook:

Wattleigh

Apr 22, 2014 6:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toxteth o'grady (Post 6549111)

There are plenty of HEB's in Houston, but not a Central Market, from what I can tell.

Central Market is at the corner of Westheimer and Weslayan and has been there since 2001. I think that's where Channel 26's old studios used to be, IIRC.

Dariusb

Apr 22, 2014 10:36 PM

Nice projects going on in the city. Love, love, love it!

Cory	Apr 22, 2014 10:48 PM

Nice pics Trition. I like the light in those photos. Never realized how small the parcel is for Block 98.

pacarlson

Apr 22, 2014 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glowrock (Post 6548763)

Yup!! Love Phoenicia Market!

AviationGuy

Apr 23, 2014 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timoric (Post 6548744)

Urban Living Good Stuff:
1. Grocery Store
2. Bar
3. Gym
4. Walking, biking, etc paths
5. Open field for impromptu volleyball, kickball, etc
6. A Hashing Running group to drink and run once a week.

1. Answered already.
2. Aren't there bars in downtown or Midtown next door? I don't know, but the locals can say.
3. I don't know. Seems like the Skyhouse webcam shows a Y a couple of blocks from the Skyhouse downtown. I don't know where the nearest 24-hour or Golds is. I'm sure some or most of the highrise office buildings have their own gyms.
4. Plenty of paths along Buffalo Bayou adjacent to downtown. Allen Parkway is a great place. It will only get better with the Buffalo Bayou revitalization.
5. I don't know, but plenty of activities downtown in Discovery Green.
6. Ask the locals.

Where are you located now?

timoric

Apr 23, 2014 12:50 AM

TexasPlaya

Apr 23, 2014 1:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbannizer (Post 6548955)

Updates by Triton, 4/21
Capitol Tower

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5047/...46f5557d_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7387/...2ce1a199_b.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2912/...1046b214_b.jpg

I forget which tower this one is. This is an office tower?

rellott

Apr 23, 2014 1:25 AM

the pic of Block 98 made me chuckle :D

Urbannizer

Apr 23, 2014 3:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasPlaya (Post 6549737)

I forget which tower this one is. This is an office tower?

Yep, 35-story office tower by Skanska.

toxteth o'grady

Apr 23, 2014 3:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rellott (Post 6549755)

the pic of Block 98 made me chuckle :D

Me, too. I wanted to say the crane is down and it will be open to tenants soon.:titanic:

Speaking of that Holiday Inn, I'm assuming the orange panels are going away. I've notice a horrendous number of buildings in and around Dallas that are clad in the same sort of orange siding and it's just awful. Orange is the new brown.:yuck:

Urbannizer

Apr 23, 2014 3:48 AM

From one of our great sources over on HAIF:

Quote:

I expect several as of yet unannounced projects to become public in the near future including hotels and multifamily high rises in uptown, a couple office/mixed use projects along the Allen parkway/memorial corridor, a perhaps some additional condo high rises which are picking up serious steam in Houston.

Dale	Apr 23, 2014 3:57 AM

I fully expect the lid to blow off of downtown Houston shortly. No inside info, just that Houston is the It City.

toxteth o'grady

Apr 23, 2014 4:04 AM

Sarnoff's column has a quick list of the residential projects taking advantage of the downtown incentive program.

Downtown towers abound

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7384/...529d2f5f_b.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2026/...7cb8d01e_b.jpg

That's about 2300 units. The incentives are up to 5000 units, so that means a few more towers could still be proposed.

toxteth o'grady

Apr 23, 2014 4:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale (Post 6549952)

I fully expect the lid to blow off of downtown Houston shortly. No inside info, just that Houston is the It City.

That's about what has happened in New York and Miami. Given Houston's shortage of developable lots, that seems to favor more residential highrises.:cool:

N90	Apr 23, 2014 4:08 AM

#110 TMC hotel and residences
#111 Memorial Hermans 16 floor outpatient center
#112 Camden's 21 floor phase 1
#113 Skyline North
#114 Camden's 21 floor phase 2

toxteth o'grady

Apr 23, 2014 4:11 AM

From the Chronicle article:

"Update: A Houston lawyer who lives in the neighborhood near Rice University, which is at the center of the Ashby high-rise battle, filed a “friend of the court” brief in support of the residents’ cause to stop the construction of the 21-story tower.

Hugh Rice Kelly, general counsel for Texans for Lawsuit Reform, who lives near the site of 1717 Bissonnet, submitted his amicus brief to the court Monday evening..."

Unbelievable. :koko: Hugh Rice Kelly should be thrown out of the courtroom on his ear for rank hypocrisy. You want tort reform, don't bring lawsuits like this.:hell:

Clev	Apr 23, 2014 5:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale (Post 6549952)

I fully expect the lid to blow off of downtown Houston shortly. No inside info, just that Houston is the It City.

I hope you're right. Downtown Houston needs to build more and densify.

timoric

Apr 23, 2014 10:42 AM

Urbannizer

Apr 23, 2014 1:14 PM

JW Marriott / 806 Main: 4/22 by Nate99

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The Sovereign: 4/22 by Triton

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4306 Yoakum: 4/21 by Jax

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The Susanne: 4/22 by Triton

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Chateau Ten: 4/21 by bobruss

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San Felipe Place (2229 San Felipe): 4/22 by Cloud713

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Phillips 66 HQ: 4/22 by Cloud713

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Air Liquide Centre: 4/22 by mikehouston

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Energy Tower IV: 4/22 by cloud713

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Energy Center III & IV: 4/22 by Cloud713

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toxteth o'grady

Apr 23, 2014 1:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timoric (Post 6550092)

I wonder where Houston will end up on this list in 10 years, would love to see 3rd place behind Chicago and New York. I hope San Francisco doesn't propel past us.

Part of what makes this list misleading are all the separate communities that make up the metropolitan centers, each with their own lists of skyscrapers. From what I can tell, more buildings will be going up in Houston proper than in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Honolulu and Washington, but all of them have activity in the surrounding communities that's not accounted for. And San Francisco is getting one and possibly several supertalls (don't let the folks who preach "Don't Manhattanize SF" hear that!). All the cities on the list are building at a furious rate, with Houston probably outpacing them all in terms of sheer numbers. There's also Miami, which is adding condos like the bust never happened. :cheers:

toxteth o'grady

Apr 23, 2014 1:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbannizer (Post 6550163)

Phillips 66 HQ: 4/22 by Cloud713

http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0cqzwbpe.jpg

Air Liquide Centre: 4/22 by mikehouston

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7237/...645e1b4b_b.jpg

Those are a couple of busy sites. Think they've got enough equipment working on the Air Liquide building? :yes:

timoric

Apr 23, 2014 6:17 PM

Urbannizer

Apr 23, 2014 7:37 PM

UH Football Stadium: 4/22 by Triton

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7208/...f792e03f_b.jpg

Hawk89

Apr 24, 2014 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timoric (Post 6550092)

I wonder where Houston will end up on this list in 10 years, would love to see 3rd place behind Chicago and New York. I hope San Francisco doesn't propel past us.

http://skyscraperpage.com/database/country/2

Cities Population Highrises

• New York City 8,175,133 5886
• Chicago 2,833,321 1150
• Los Angeles 3,849,378 543
• Washington 601,723 452
• Honolulu 377,260 451
• Houston 2,144,491 440
• San Francisco 805,235 419

Houston will probably jump Honolulu and DC, but San Francisco may catch you guys. They have a lot of buildings going up for their Transbay project. But still, I don't think this is a valid comparison. Houston's city limits are huge, so of course it will have more overall high rises. I bet if you just compared the area surrounding a city's CBD that Houston wouldn't even be ranked in the top 10.

N90	Apr 24, 2014 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk89 (Post 6551168)

Houston drops behind SF if you cut it down to 50 square miles or less. The clusters form what Tory Gattis has branded as "the skyscraper walled city of Houston", a triangle shaped cluster with a eastern terminus of DT, western terminus of UT, and south tip of TMC with Greenway Plaza in the heart of it all.
The 4 largest skyscraper clusters in Houston metro by a lot. SSP provides maps with all highrises. From DT to UT the edge of east DT to San Felipe Plaza in UT), it has 366 highrises and is 43 square miles with the north and south boundaries being 610 and 610.

You can count each highrise on the database to verify. I have already done this because people come up with every way to try to undermine Houston. BTW, in this boundary is over 50% of Houston's proposed 114 highrises. So it will only continue to distance itself from the city right below it. SF is in Houston's neighborhood when you take this 43 square mile boundary into account.

If you increase the land boundary to ATL's size (134 square miles) then 95% of the city's TOTAL highrises are within it. Adding the four remaining large clusters of Energy Corridor/City Centre/Memorial City, 59 South (Hillcroft to Sharpstown), and 610 North loop @ the 290 intersection. Only excluding Greenspoint.

AviationGuy

Apr 24, 2014 1:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timoric (Post 6550615)

Man, if Houston could just get some rail lines along these major corridors, it would have it all. That is going to cost billions and take decades to build I imagine, if it happens at all. This lady at my dog park in Maryland and her husband taught at Rice last summer and her comment about Houston was "that place is so sprawling and there isn't any good public transportation."

And yet Rice is pretty much on the first rail line (the one that runs from downtown to the Reliant Stadium area (through the Med Center). I guess it didn't go where they wanted to go, which is understandable. There are other lines, too. My understanding is that ridership is good. But you're correct, the lines need to also go along some major corridors where they currently do not.

timoric

Apr 24, 2014 1:30 AM

N90	Apr 24, 2014 1:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timoric (Post 6551253)

I would like to dump it all in Excel and do some analysis on visual bar graphs to compare cities so if one city has 300 ten story buildings and one has 150 30 story buildings the total floor count would favor the taller city not the many short buildings. Actually a total story count for each city could do that too.

Height has never been a problem for Houston. If anything, the lack of 10-15 story buildings in spades has been the city's problem. Which is what's being corrected in this boom cycle.

Look at DT SF and DT Houston and around both their DT's in a Google Earth view. DT SF has a big sea of 10-15 story towers to create mass around its DT (or as I simply call it MASS INFILL). When we look at the tallest buildings the convo goes the other way in favor of DT Houston and Houston's inner loop in general.

What you're describing has been done regarding floor height, etc.

http://www.ultrapolisproject.com/Tal...nes_Cities.htm

Dale	Apr 24, 2014 1:53 AM

Downtown Houston is rapidly evolving into a downtown in keeping with Houston's stature.

Off-topic: looked like the Toyota Center was half-empty. Realized that half the crowd is wearing red t-shirts. :O

Hawk89

Apr 24, 2014 2:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N90 (Post 6551264)

Correct. Downtown Houston has a tall mass of buildings right in the middle that is more impressive than any other U.S. City besides NY and Chicago, in my opinion. The height really is incredible. The problem is that the tall mass is surrounded by parking lots. If you guys fill those in with 10-20 story buildings, then I definitely believe that Houston deserves the title of 3rd best skyline in the U.S.

AviationGuy

Apr 24, 2014 2:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk89 (Post 6551286)

The infill is happening and parking lots are being replaced by structures, fortunately. That's been happening (slowly) for quite some time (as per this thread), but the pace is picking up significantly, at long last. I'd love to see it look more like those pics of Seattle that were posted elsewhere in the forum the other day (aerial photos?).

Seems like mostly good news coming out of Houston on most fronts. Makes me very sad that I haven't been able to make the move back to Houston as soon as I wanted to (I've been gone from there since I was a teenager). For all I know, by the time I move back the boom will have subsided.

Hawk89

Apr 24, 2014 2:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AviationGuy (Post 6551305)

Seattle definitely does have the density. I love our aerial views. I think those are the best shots of the city. However, I like Houston's symmetry. All of the tall buildings are right in the middle, unlike Seattle, where our tallest is on the edge of Downtown. Houston is growing at a unbelievable rate so it has the potential to fill in those lots very quickly.

timoric

Apr 24, 2014 9:44 AM

timoric

Apr 24, 2014 10:06 AM

Urbannizer

Apr 24, 2014 4:06 PM

Something's going on at Gillette & W. Dallas. A fence, trailer, and two port-a-potties went up on Monday, according to zstrater86 on HAIF:

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2925/...44ba95cd_b.jpg

toxteth o'grady

Apr 24, 2014 5:07 PM

Bisnow's got a feature on development in the Woodlands. A few new midrise developments are mentioned, including a new building for CB&I and Building 6 in Research Forest Lakeside. There's also the 390-unit One Lake's Edge, of indeterminate height.

Houston's Most Popular Submarket?

https://ci6.googleusercontent.com/pr...stLakeside.jpg

I think this is Repsol's building.

toxteth o'grady

Apr 24, 2014 5:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbannizer (Post 6551838)

Something's going on at Gillette & W. Dallas. A fence, trailer, and two port-a-potties went up on Monday, according to zstrater86 on HAIF

The last time I went by, I thought the property was being used as a staging yard for other projects nearby.

toxteth o'grady

Apr 24, 2014 5:16 PM

Also on Bisnow:

http://e13c7623ea07ffe9c5c6-e19f06f7...rateCentre.jpg

Wildwood Corporate Center. This building is only 2 floors (and 128,000sf), but Phase 2 is supposed to break ground in Q4 and will be 8 floors (200,000 sf). No render of that one yet.

Urbannizer

Apr 24, 2014 10:33 PM

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5119/...60d48521_b.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by HBJ

Take a look inside the Galleria renovation

It currently looks like a war zone — gutted, filled with debris and piles of dirt. But through the retail rubble that was once home to stores like Crate and Barrel and Ralph Lauren at the Galleria, a new, larger Saks Fifth Avenue will rise, upping the ante on luxury in the area.

I took a tour of the site, sporting a hard hat and yellow vest. While there wasn’t much to see, there was a lot to imagine after talking with Galleria General Manager Greg Noble, and learning more details about the multimillion-dollar renovations and new construction.

“There is a huge demand for luxury space in Houston and we just don’t have the supply. Now we are creating it,” Noble said.

Here are the highlights:

A stand-alone, 14,000-square-foot building dubbed “The Jewel Box” will be built on theCheesecake Factory’s existing parking deck facing Westheimer. The space will house luxury retailers who want visibility. Noble said several “new-to-market” tenants have expressed interest in the plans, but would not elaborate on which retailers are interested or how much rent the space will charge.

Saks Fifth Avenue will move into a renovated 198,000-square-foot space located next to its existing space. Saks is set to open in early 2016.

The existing Saks building will be renovated, providing 110,000 square feet of space for new restaurants and retail. Construction will begin on this space after Saks moves into its new building. Saks will stay open during the renovation.

Saks will take up part of Macy’s Inc. (NYSE: M), which will consolidate into its Galleria store facing Hidalgo Street. The consolidation will affect 136 positions, according to the Texas Workforce Commission. However, the company is confident that most of those employees will find jobs at other local Macy's stores.

A new multifamily tower will also be built on the former Macy’s site, but Noble wouldn’t give details on the project, only to say that it is part of the master plan for the complex, and that the team is currently focused on the retail component of the project.

Article: http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/b...enovation.html

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5271/...79b87eb2_b.jpg

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/27/54/62.../1024x1024.jpg

Renderings of the stand-alone component:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7448/...3e6875f0_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7338/...6e16f5ff_b.jpg

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texanuh

Apr 25, 2014 12:22 AM

What I like most is the chrome Toyota 2000GT, but in all honesty it looks pretty good.

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