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Busy Bee Aug 8, 2013 2:13 PM

What do you think the chances are that the developer is also trying to acquire the two adjacent walk ups at 117-115? That would be absolutely ideal, as those need to go and would allow a wider building. In this situation I see Steinway hall essentially facadectomised and enveloped into the center of this tower. In this situation I believe a neo- traditional design would be ideal. I think it has the potential to be someone like RAM Stern's magnum opus.

NYguy Aug 8, 2013 2:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 6225199)
In this situation I see Steinway hall essentially facadectomised and enveloped into the center of this tower. In this situation I believe a neo- traditional design would be ideal. I think it has the potential to be someone like RAM Stern's magnum opus.

From the plans, it looks like the landmarked portion of Steinway Hall will be some type of retail, with the tower rising above. There will only be 100 units available. I hope there is some sort of crown here.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JB...allbin=1023728

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01



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babybackribs2314 Aug 8, 2013 2:56 PM

Mechanical from 72-74 would probably indicate some type of crown, IMO.

uaarkson Aug 8, 2013 3:01 PM

I hope Amanda Burden really feels like the complete idiot she is, now.

chris08876 Aug 8, 2013 3:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hunser (Post 6225167)
Seing Torre Verre being built at only 1050 feet still makes me angry. :hell:
Verre will be barely visible amongst those future giants. :(

Which is the true irony because Verre is the best looking out of anything going up now.

JayPro Aug 8, 2013 4:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hunser (Post 6225167)
Seing Torre Verre being built at only 1050 feet still makes me angry. :hell:
Verre will be barely visible amongst those future giants. :(

She'll be taller, though not by much, than One 57 (45' maybe?). Plus it's somewhat closer to Rockefeller Center; so I'm not sure if TV will necessarily get lost.

BTW Thanks once again to NYGuy for keeping me reassured in the midst of what I was starting to think was Greenspan's irrational exuberance meme rearing its head again. :cheers:

NYguy Aug 8, 2013 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JayPro (Post 6225326)
BTW Thanks once again to NYGuy for keeping me reassured in the midst of what I was starting to think was Greenspan's irrational exuberance meme rearing its head again. :cheers:


This was their thinking before the project expanded:

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“Remember,” he added, “these buildings are big, but so are the apartments, so there really aren’t that many of them.” One57 has 135 units (plus a Hyatt hotel on the bottom half) and 432 Park has 128, while 107 West 57th Street has all of 27 units planned, each one taking up at least an entire floor and more than half will be duplexes.

Meanwhile, demand is skyrocketing like these towers. Just as these new buildings are in a different class, so are the buyers. “Before, this was a small investment, little more than a hotel room,” Mr. Greenblatt explained. “Now, these are real homes, big homes, with the nicest finishes. These are the type of buyers who own homes all over the world, so that’s what they want.”

Mr. Greenblatt actually believes that there has been pent-up demand for these kinds of apartments for years that is only being worked out now, and that it should last for years, as global wealth continues to concentrate in the hands of the few and find its way into New York and other world capitals.


One day we won't be able to walk down 57th Street without looking up...


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http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/busi...ng-370403.html

chris08876 Aug 9, 2013 2:30 AM

The record is only going to get higher for the most expensive apartment/condo sold ever. Being higher than One57, and second to 432 Park Ave. with less units, they will probably use that to put a very high price on the penthouse or really the units themselves.

Perklol Aug 9, 2013 3:22 AM

Err.. those 2 tenement buildings right next to Steinway hall need to go.

Roadcruiser1 Aug 9, 2013 6:23 AM

I love how tall this building is going to be but I don't think SHOP Architects is a great choice to design such a building. They are a great architect firm in my opinion but they only design Modern buildings. This building should be designed by Stern Architects because they have experience in building Art Deco like buildings..........

MarshallKnight Aug 9, 2013 3:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 6226410)
I love how tall this building is going to be but I don't think SHOP Architects is a great choice to design such a building.

SHOP is the architect of record but that doesn't mean that they'll necessarily be designing it.

NYguy Aug 9, 2013 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 6226410)
I love how tall this building is going to be but I don't think SHOP Architects is a great choice to design such a building. They are a great architect firm in my opinion but they only design Modern buildings.

I thought it was an odd choice, given what Stern had said. But just because we haven't seen them do a "classic" skyscraper doesn't mean they can't. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what we get, but I think we'll likely get a really nice tower here.

DCReid Aug 9, 2013 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Eveningsong (Post 6226273)
Err.. those 2 tenement buildings right next to Steinway hall need to go.

Those tenement buildings can stay right where they are, and perhaps be renovated. Let's not go knocking down everything in the city in favor of what's new and modern . I guess you do not recall anything about the 1960s...Manhattan lost a lot of gems then -- like 'old' Penn Station for the 'new and modern' Penn station and Madison Square Garden!

franktko Aug 9, 2013 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DCReid (Post 6227379)
Those tenement buildings can stay right where they are, and perhaps be renovated. Let's not go knocking down everything in the city in favor of what's new and modern . I guess you do not recall anything about the 1960s...Manhattan lost a lot of gems then -- like 'old' Penn Station for the 'new and modern' Penn station and Madison Square Garden!

I think we can safely classify those two buildings as NOT gems!! :P

Perklol Aug 10, 2013 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DCReid (Post 6227379)
Those tenement buildings can stay right where they are, and perhaps be renovated. Let's not go knocking down everything in the city in favor of what's new and modern . I guess you do not recall anything about the 1960s...Manhattan lost a lot of gems then -- like 'old' Penn Station for the 'new and modern' Penn station and Madison Square Garden!

I am so sorry but ... what's so special about these tenement buildings? Is it the color or what? Just go to the west side and you'll run into them in every block. The only difference is that it will be less colorful.

MarshallKnight Aug 10, 2013 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6227343)
But just because we haven't seen them do a "classic" skyscraper doesn't mean they can't.

They're capable of it. Just look at their vision proposal for Penn Station and the surrounding district, they included a tower that had very classical lines (albeit with a modern twist, a la Ping An):

http://www.designboom.com/wp-content...ignboom-01.jpg
http://www.designboom.com/wp-content...ignboom-07.jpg

NYguy Aug 10, 2013 2:08 PM

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Originally Posted by franktko (Post 6227409)
I think we can safely classify those two buildings as NOT gems!! :P

They are no gems, but I don't find them horrible either. I think they add a sense of scale and character to the block. Some google earth views...


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But who knows what will happen the way things are going.



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Originally Posted by MarshallKnight (Post 6227484)
They're capable of it. Just look at their vision proposal for Penn Station and the surrounding district, they included a tower that had very classical lines (albeit with a modern twist, a la Ping An):

The so called "Gotham Tower", though it wouldn't fit very well here. Whatever the design, it will be a lot different than the other proposal they had just down the street...


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NYguy Aug 12, 2013 2:32 AM

Besides the overall design of the tower, it will be interesting to see how the base of Steinway Hall is integrated into this new tower.

Some overhead from google earth showing proximity to One57...


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NYguy Aug 13, 2013 1:33 AM

http://www.citylandnyc.org/opulent-p...rk/#more-19787

Opulent Piano Retail Space Considered as a Potential Interior Landmark
Owner’s representative expressed support for designation; testified that landmark would be preserved in context of planned larger development.



http://www.citylandnyc.org/wp-conten...teinway-SM.jpg


07/31/2013


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On July 23, 2013, the Landmarks Preservation Commission held a hearing on the potential designation of the reception room and adjoining rooms and hallways of the Steinway & Sons retail space at 109 West 57th Street in Manhattan. The neo-Renaissance interior was completed in 1928 to designs by the firm of Warren & Wetmore. Warren & Wetmore was the architecture firm behind several other City landmarks, including the interior of Grand Central Terminal.

The primary interior space is an octagonal double-height rotunda, in which customers were met by sales representatives before entering the showrooms. The room features a crystal chandelier and allegorical paintings, by Swiss-Austrian painter Angelica Kauffman, adorn the domed ceiling. The room is visible from the street through large display windows. A foyer on the 57th Street entrance possesses white marble arches on Ionic columns on its four walls. Though some rooms are separated by glass or glazed infill, the interior reads as one continuous space.

Michael Stern, Managing Partner of JDS Development Group, testified that the ownership enthusiastically supported designation. JDS purchased the property in 2013, and intends to build a tower at the site. Stern said that JDS “look forward to integrating the rotunda into a larger development.”

The Historic Districts Council’s Nadezhda Williams, speaking in support of designation, said that “seeing an elegant Steinway piano in such sumptuous surroundings is rather like seeing an animal in their natural habitat.” Christabel Gough, of the Society for the Architecture of the City, said the “iconic New York institution” served to “express the grandeur and importance of the concert piano” in the City’s culture.

Chair Robert B. Tierney closed the hearing after thanking JDS for their “cooperation and participation.” A date for a vote on designation has not yet been scheduled.

NYguy Aug 26, 2013 3:45 PM

The inclusion of Steinway Hall greatly increases the footprint of this tower...

(Steinway Hall)

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