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Handro May 22, 2020 6:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 8929847)
Did some searching and no luck, looks like it's on Wayman St.

It's kinda funny how 900 W Fulton is 125 feet (move to highrise thread?), but looks tiny compared to other developments in the area. I'm still surprised how much Fulton Market has changed in a short time.



Speaking of changes, finally some movement in the Southwest Loop. Surprised this area wasn't developed sooner since there's lots of retail, UIC and Union are next door, and empty lots that can be easily developed. The only downside is that the area lacks strong transit service going south.

Yea it's pretty weak in that department. I'd expect the area from Polk north to Harrison to fill in long before the area to the south as it's still close enough to the Loop and Clinton Blue line to feel connected. With the furhter progression of Riverline and the 78, some pedestrian access across the river at Polk would do wonders to fill it in there, as well.

ardecila May 22, 2020 7:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Handro (Post 8929666)
Not really, Fulton Market was a meat packing district until it wasn't. River North was slum. Streeterville was a swamp. Logan Square was a farm.

The OPO is a once-a-generation transformation bringing thousands of office workers the neighborhood, plus the BMO tower currently under construction. Naturally, residential was going to follow. Until the past couple of years developers didn't have much reason to invest in residential in this area. A new, modest residential tower two blocks from the OPO and Clinton blue line stop is the simply the natural evolution of the neighborhood. In the next 5-10 another residential tower or two, some offices, some retail, etc. That's how neighborhoods change.

The "southwest Loop" area is currently zoned DS (Downtown Service) which explicitly prohibits residential use. When Bond Companies tried to get the zoning changed to put residential at The Maxwell, DPD refused to support the zoning change... which is one of the few times Planning has gotten their way. (Of course, Solis was the alderman at the time so who knows what kind of shenanigans went on in the background.)

The long-standing planning goal for this area has been to preserve it for service businesses, and a secondary goal to establish a major regional retail district for big box stores. Both of these uses would get pushed out if the zoning opened up to allow highrise development. It may seem odd for the planning dept to advocate for less-intense uses, but planners have to consider the bigger picture. Keeping a pocket of DS zoning allowed important service businesses (package delivery, janitorial, auto services, eventually back-office development, etc) to have a place reserved for them close to downtown.

On the retail side, establishing a retail area here was a way to counter the food/retail deserts on the South and West Side and prevent "leakage" from city residents driving to the suburbs to shop. Roosevelt Road has been a black shopping district since the Maxwell Street days, but with the growth of the South Loop city planners saw a way to serve both the Black community with major national retailers, and the newly wealthy residents of downtown/downtown-adjacent areas.

If the city's policy towards Roosevelt Road/Southwest Loop has changed, I'm not aware of it... but we are in a new mayoral administration, so anything's possible. It's also possible that Golub could get slapped down the way Bond Companies was - even though, as a pretty big player, I would expect them to know better. Important to note that if/when it does open up, it will not be a "natural" transition but the result of centrally-planned changes to city planning policy. Fulton Market was not a "natural" evolution but the result of concerted efforts in both the public and private sectors, combined with significant changes in the zoning map and city policy.

Handro May 22, 2020 7:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 8929896)
The "southwest Loop" area is currently zoned DS (Downtown Service) which explicitly prohibits residential use. When Bond Companies tried to get the zoning changed to put residential at The Maxwell, DPD refused to support the zoning change... which is one of the few times Planning has gotten their way. (Of course, Solis was the alderman at the time so who knows what kind of shenanigans went on in the background.)

The long-standing planning goal for this area has been to preserve it for service businesses, and a secondary goal to establish a major regional retail district for big box stores. Both of these uses would get pushed out if the zoning opened up to allow highrise development. It may seem odd for the planning dept to advocate for less-intense uses, but planners have to consider the bigger picture. Keeping a pocket of DS zoning allowed important service businesses (package delivery, janitorial, auto services, eventually back-office development, etc) to have a place reserved for them close to downtown.

On the retail side, establishing a retail area here was a way to counter the food/retail deserts on the South and West Side and prevent "leakage" from city residents driving to the suburbs to shop. Roosevelt Road has been a black shopping district since the Maxwell Street days, but with the growth of the South Loop city planners saw a way to serve both the Black community with major national retailers, and the newly wealthy residents of downtown/downtown-adjacent areas.

If the city's policy towards Roosevelt Road/Southwest Loop has changed, I'm not aware of it... but we are in a new mayoral administration, so anything's possible.

Golub is preparing a 300 foot tall residential tower at 700 S. Clinton, two blocks south of OPO and the Clinton blue line. If you and surburban_dad want to disagree, take it up with them.

Suburban Shadow May 22, 2020 7:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 8929896)
The "southwest Loop" area is currently zoned DS (Downtown Service) which explicitly prohibits residential use. When Bond Companies tried to get the zoning changed to put residential at The Maxwell, DPD refused to support the zoning change... which is one of the few times Planning has gotten their way. (Of course, Solis was the alderman at the time so who knows what kind of shenanigans went on in the background.)

The long-standing planning goal for this area has been to preserve it for service businesses, and a secondary goal to establish a major regional retail district for big box stores. Both of these uses would get pushed out if the zoning opened up to allow highrise development. It may seem odd for the planning dept to advocate for less-intense uses, but planners have to consider the bigger picture. Keeping a pocket of DS zoning allowed important service businesses (package delivery, janitorial, auto services, eventually back-office development, etc) to have a place reserved for them close to downtown.

On the retail side, establishing a retail area here was a way to counter the food/retail deserts on the South and West Side and prevent "leakage" from city residents driving to the suburbs to shop. Roosevelt Road has been a black shopping district since the Maxwell Street days, but with the growth of the South Loop city planners saw a way to serve both the Black community with major national retailers, and the newly wealthy residents of downtown/downtown-adjacent areas.

If the city's policy towards Roosevelt Road/Southwest Loop has changed, I'm not aware of it... but we are in a new mayoral administration, so anything's possible. Important to note that if/when it does open up, it will not be a "natural" transition but the result of centrally-planned changes to city planning policy.

Thank you for explaining exactly why Golub will have an uphill battle to get a residential development approved at 700 S. Clinton instead of going directly to insults. I knew there was a reason.

ardecila May 22, 2020 7:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Handro (Post 8929917)
Golub is preparing a 300 foot tall residential tower at 700 S. Clinton, two blocks south of OPO and the Clinton blue line. If you and surburban_dad want to disagree, take it up with them.

Golub is a sophisticated operation, no doubt with very competent and well-connected zoning attorneys. They would not be pursuing something if they didn't think it was feasible. But it also sounds like they're in the very early stages still.

They haven't made any public announcements yet and they WILL need a zoning change from Ald Sigcho-Lopez, potentially over the opposition of DPD. Knowing Sigcho, I'm sure he will insist on one or more public meetings (because CoMMunITy InPUt). If this is real, it is far from being a done deal.

rivernorthlurker May 22, 2020 7:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rgarri4 (Post 8929526)
Looks like @ChicagoDPD posted updated renderings for 900 W Fulton. My question is what do they have ghosted behind it at 901 W Carroll?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYkVmlmX...pg&name=medium

Bump. Would like to know as well, here's link to tweet: https://twitter.com/ChicagoDPD/statu...64964419289097

320 N Sangamon and then something unknown directly North. Any sleuths out there?

chris08876 May 22, 2020 7:51 PM

Construction Update: 3300 N. Clark

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYALb_WW...jpg&name=small
Credit: bKL Architecture

https://www.44thward.org/wp-content/...0_N._Clark.jpg
Credit: 44thward

harryc May 23, 2020 12:48 AM

My River Runneth Over
 
May 18

Just below the crest


The patio acts like a giant wick drawing the river in - to the wall - of my server room.

Hines did a great job of keeping it vacuumed up and there were no problems.

May 19

a more normal level

King of Chicago May 23, 2020 2:00 AM

Hi All,

Crains had an article recently about an office building being built in Pilsen; is this the large block of vacant land on 18th street?

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/comm...=hero-readmore

LouisVanDerWright May 23, 2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bcp (Post 8929769)
Really amazing. I'm curious about input from the Forum on this - where will the West loop / Fulton stop when it's done? All the way to Ashland, from Grand to 290?

It won't, the development will continue unabated over time to the West and Southwest. There's already a gentrification pincer movement creeping down the Kinzie corridor and neighborhoods north on one wing and through IMD, Pilsen and Little Village to the South. Eventually the growth of the West Loop with be the thrust up the center of the line that collapses the salient of Garfield Park and opens up the possibility of restoring the entire West side all the way to Oak Park.

ardecila May 23, 2020 1:19 PM

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Originally Posted by King of Chicago (Post 8930289)
Hi All,

Crains had an article recently about an office building being built in Pilsen; is this the large block of vacant land on 18th street?

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/comm...=hero-readmore

No, Mural Park is a renovation of two existing warehouses at Sangamon/19th. It looks like all the cool landscaping has been dropped so this will just be another neighborhood office building like the ones along Ravenswood.

pilsenarch May 23, 2020 2:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 8930475)
No, Mural Park is a renovation of two existing warehouses at Sangamon/19th. It looks like all the cool landscaping has been dropped so this will just be another neighborhood office building like the ones along Ravenswood.

What makes you think they dropped the landscaping?

marothisu May 23, 2020 11:26 PM

Building permit was issued for construction of new 4 story, 27 unit + retail building at 3101 N Milwaukee (Milwaukee & Ridgeway). Will replace the former Red Apple Buffet.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/31...!4d-87.7208634

Source: Hanna Architects
https://blockclubchicago.org/wp-cont...size=2048,1350

harryc May 24, 2020 12:01 AM

318 N Carpenter
 
May 23

in context (the yellow on the left)

harryc May 24, 2020 1:57 PM

Chicago - 15x W North ave
 
May 21



I'm not touching you .....


Sign of the times

Chi-Sky21 May 24, 2020 3:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 8930468)
It won't, the development will continue unabated over time to the West and Southwest. There's already a gentrification pincer movement creeping down the Kinzie corridor and neighborhoods north on one wing and through IMD, Pilsen and Little Village to the South. Eventually the growth of the West Loop with be the thrust up the center of the line that collapses the salient of Garfield Park and opens up the possibility of restoring the entire West side all the way to Oak Park.

For some reason i want to watch the Battle of the Bulge after reading this......

spyguy May 24, 2020 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by harryc (Post 8931109)
May 21


Oh good you posted this. Not sure if the rendering was ever shown?

https://i.imgur.com/bZ3crY4.jpg?1

Also, the proposal for the lot behind the Uptown theatre
https://i.imgur.com/q2IiKVa.jpg?1
Not particularly beautiful or anything, but if the Uptown can be restored no one will be paying attention to this one

harryc May 25, 2020 12:42 PM

1329 N Elston
 
May 21










west-town-brad May 25, 2020 2:06 PM

^ salty
 
https://r2.me/portfolio/morton-salt/

marothisu May 26, 2020 9:50 PM

My new construction permit map now goes back to the very beginning of 2012 if anyone is interested. That's most likely going to be the furthest back I'll take this map for now:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/drive?...7D&usp=sharing


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