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ardecila Dec 9, 2014 2:31 AM

Plus the bike lanes that Adrian wants to eliminate... Milwaukee is one of, if not the busiest bike routes in the city. Drive it at your own peril or, better yet, take a different route that doesn't go through the epicenters of several dense, transit friendly neighborhoods.

Hell, I routinely drive from Logan Square to downtown and I've found plenty of quicker alternates (Elston, Humboldt/Grand, the Kennedy, etc)

Ch.G, Ch.G Dec 9, 2014 2:42 AM

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Originally Posted by streetline (Post 6834624)
387 parking spots seems excessive, although I'm guessing the residential requirement takes up all but 69 of those spaces. This place is ~1050 feet from the Logan Square Blue Line, so the usual 1:1 parking ratio is annoyingly high. It's too bad the p-street portion of Milwaukee in that area is only north of the square.

But other than that, this seems like a big improvement. It even seems like most of the second and third story street frontage in that rendering is human occupied space rather than garage, so if that's right at least they're handling all of that parking well. I wonder what it looks like from the other side or from above.

No question, a 1:1 parking ratio for that location would be absurd.

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Originally Posted by UPChicago (Post 6834858)
That looks amazing but I'll hold my breath, hopefully this one don't meet the scalpel like basically every major development in recent history. lol

Right? I have a hard time getting excited about this.

aaron38 Dec 9, 2014 3:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ch.G, Ch.G (Post 6836422)
No question, a 1:1 parking ratio for that location would be absurd.

I don't understand this. Even if the people living there don't own cars themselves, don't they ever have parents or friends who come to visit?
My parents live 3 hours away in the Quad Cities. In a few years there'll be Amtrak service, but that's really hard on elderly parents. If I lived there, I'd like them to be able to come and visit. And where are they supposed to park if there isn't even one spot per unit?

One spot per unit seems like the perfect compromise between limiting parking, and keeping a necessary utility.

Ch.G, Ch.G Dec 9, 2014 4:23 AM

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Originally Posted by aaron38 (Post 6836473)
I don't understand this. Even if the people living there don't own cars themselves, don't they ever have parents or friends who come to visit?
My parents live 3 hours away in the Quad Cities. In a few years there'll be Amtrak service, but that's really hard on elderly parents. If I lived there, I'd like them to be able to come and visit. And where are they supposed to park if there isn't even one spot per unit?

One spot per unit seems like the perfect compromise between limiting parking, and keeping a necessary utility.

Whenever this comes you, you hear, "Think of the disabled! Think of the elderly!" It must be by the grace of God that New York and San Francisco function. If I could find free, three-day street parking in Brooklyn, I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem doing the same in Chicago.

oshkeoto Dec 9, 2014 4:28 AM

Not to pile on, Tom Servo, but if you're actually interested in whether or not this is a problem - as opposed to just complaining about traffic, which I guess would be normal enough - then you need to reconsider this:

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If there are no viable solutions to the Milwaukee traffic problem, then I am most definitely opposed to any and all projects that will add density and thus more cars. 10 years ago, Milwaukee ave was fine. Today it's one of the more traffic prone streets on the north side. I blame over-development.
For one, traffic counts by CDOT and IDOT suggest that traffic on Milwaukee in Logan Square is *down* from 2006 to 2010. That's obviously not ironclad, but it's probably worth more than the impressions of a driver, especially when those impressions are not necessarily shared by all other drives (for example, me). (See http://chicagotraffictracker.com/ and http://idot.ms2soft.com/tcds/tsearch...=Idot&mod=TCDS.)

For two, there has been no "over-development" of that stretch of Milwaukee--in fact, the total number of units and the population of that area has declined, according to the Census, since 2000. (And it's *way* below levels ten or twenty years before that.) You can certainly continue to complain about traffic, but you need to find some other theories.

Or you just need to accept that you're angry about the current level of traffic, even though it's lower than it has been historically, and even though there's actually be de-development of the area.

UPChicago Dec 9, 2014 5:04 AM

Expanding roads to 4 lanes from 2 is never a good idea, one thing you need to learn is that you can never build your way out of traffic congestion. The city is headed in the right direction pedestrian friendly streets is the way to go and improves livability, adding traffic lanes does not.

Rizzo Dec 9, 2014 5:55 AM

I still don't get why anyone would care if a street was jammed or not. I mean everyone knows when a street is congested and what parts unless you are an out of towner. Basic Chicago knowledge says take the train to work from this neighborhood. Work in the suburbs? Oh just leaver earlier. Heading there on a Friday? Tell your cab driver to not take milwaukee.

Chi-Sky21 Dec 9, 2014 1:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 (Post 6836062)
^The buyer is an immigrant from India. He founded Vistex, in Hoffman Estates. Just goes to show the American dream is still alive. He should be your inspiration rather than your envy.

I do not envy him, i would never buy anything in a Trump building and i would never spend that much money on a place to live.

emathias Dec 9, 2014 2:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Sky21 (Post 6836724)
I do not envy him, i would never buy anything in a Trump building and i would never spend that much money on a place to live.

Except he didn't buy it to live in. He bought only partially to visit downtown, mostly he bought it to entertain business clients, and to host charity events. Regardless of what you think of Trump, it certainly fits the bill for both of those uses (although one could certainly be forgiven for asking how much charity $17 million would buy if not tied up in one piece of real estate).

emathias Dec 9, 2014 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aaron38 (Post 6836473)
I don't understand this. Even if the people living there don't own cars themselves, don't they ever have parents or friends who come to visit?
My parents live 3 hours away in the Quad Cities. In a few years there'll be Amtrak service, but that's really hard on elderly parents. If I lived there, I'd like them to be able to come and visit. And where are they supposed to park if there isn't even one spot per unit?

One spot per unit seems like the perfect compromise between limiting parking, and keeping a necessary utility.

So you're implying that every single unit has someone from out of town or someone who is elderly or someone who is disabled visiting them at all times. Which is, I hope you realize, absolutely absurd.

Skyguy_7 Dec 9, 2014 2:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Sky21 (Post 6836724)
I do not envy him, i would never buy anything in a Trump building and i would never spend that much money on a place to live.

But it smells so nice, and this:
http://www.bizbash.com/content/edito...s-2012-111.jpg
http://www.bizbash.com/gingerbread-e...7#.VIcLLcnN5Oo

OrdoSeclorum Dec 9, 2014 3:41 PM

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Originally Posted by aaron38 (Post 6836473)
I don't understand this. Even if the people living there don't own cars themselves, don't they ever have parents or friends who come to visit?
My parents live 3 hours away in the Quad Cities. In a few years there'll be Amtrak service, but that's really hard on elderly parents. If I lived there, I'd like them to be able to come and visit. And where are they supposed to park if there isn't even one spot per unit?

One spot per unit seems like the perfect compromise between limiting parking, and keeping a necessary utility.

There are thousands of apartment buildings in Chicago (and other cities) that have no parking. It's difficult to even find a unit that has parking in central New Orleans or Charleston or Barcelona or Rome. It's not a coincidence that those are great places to live or visit. Rule of thumb: If a place is great for cars, it's bad for people.

brian_b Dec 9, 2014 4:52 PM

Does anyone know what's happening on 18th just east of Canal and west of the train tracks?

In the lot that, from the satellite view, shows an old foundation from a warehouse or something, there is a large pile-driving machine on site. I know that the bridge there on 18th is closing for reconstruction as of tomorrow - it could be related. But it is pretty far away from the river...

Skyguy_7 Dec 9, 2014 5:02 PM

1902 S Lumber Street
 
^That would be the Chicago Oriental Wholesale Market expansion. I don't have renderings, but can tell you it's just a precast warehouse building. I believe Walsh is building it.

https://www.z2systems.com/neon/resou...ld%20Solis.jpg
http://chicagochinatown.org/october-2014-newsletter/

Vlajos Dec 9, 2014 6:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OrdoSeclorum (Post 6836830)
There are thousands of apartment buildings in Chicago (and other cities) that have no parking. It's difficult to even find a unit that has parking in central New Orleans or Charleston or Barcelona or Rome. It's not a coincidence that those are great places to live or visit. Rule of thumb: If a place is great for cars, it's bad for people.

The bold is so true. :cheers:

ardecila Dec 10, 2014 1:42 AM

Bloomingdale Trail / Northwestern Clinic

http://i61.tinypic.com/3325hdv.jpg

UrbanLibertine Dec 10, 2014 6:10 AM

The very small parcel on the right, is that going to be a park of the 606, like an entry point or small green space?

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 6837740)
Bloomingdale Trail / Northwestern Clinic

http://i61.tinypic.com/3325hdv.jpg


sentinel Dec 10, 2014 2:33 PM

This is the same spot, right?

http://the606.org/wp-content/uploads...tt-930x516.jpg

http://the606.org/design/final-design-plans/

Mr Downtown Dec 10, 2014 2:56 PM

^Yes, same corner (Aldiplatz)—but what's happening with those parabolic arches seen in the photo? Will those really flatten out under load so much that they become bowstring trusses whose top chords are the circular arcs shown in the rendering? The arches look like they're already anchored to abutments much too close together for them to flatten that much.

PKDickman Dec 10, 2014 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sentinel (Post 6838170)

Yes.
It gets the Eloi steps.

http://www.colemanzone.com/images(3)...e/Steps(2).jpg


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