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pbenjamin Nov 16, 2012 7:13 PM

AND... The school district is Madison Elementary School District. For grades 9-12 the people in Madison got to the Phoenix Union High School District.

Don B. Nov 17, 2012 2:22 AM

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Originally Posted by HooverDam (Post 5903368)
So tonight I was elected the President of the Phoenix Historic Neighborhoods Coalition.

Our next meeting is....well, we don't know. We may or may not have one in December. We'll be updating the website soon, sprucing up the Facebook page, getting on Twitter, etc.


I'll be posting more info down the line I'm sure. I'd invite/encourage you all to get involved with the group, whether you live in a Historic Neighborhood or are just interested in Historic Preservation more generally.

Congrats. :)

--don

PHX31 Dec 20, 2012 5:00 PM

Not sure what the real point of this post is other than to cry over our city's destruction. But on a positive note, since the 60s and 70s, downtown has come a long way, and I think we're on a course for it to be really good.

Here are a progression of aerials from a section of downtown Phoenix from 2nd St to 7th St, Polk to Washington.

There used to be some grand old homes and dense blocks of houses and buildings in this 1930 view:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...psf9338dd7.jpg

By 1969 this area was almost completely destroyed and a desolate wasteland of parking lots and empty lots:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ps708a4c13.jpg

Today there aren't many empty lots left, most have been developed with super-sized developments. We've lost more houses/small buildings, but added a lot of important structures and landscaping:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ps38834845.jpg

Granted, I'd rather have saved what we had in the 1930s than build the Mercado, the Herberger, and the crappy St. Mary's building, but the Convention Center and Heritage Square are nice and important for downtown.

Vicelord John Dec 20, 2012 7:17 PM

I hate all of that megablock crap

PHX31 Dec 20, 2012 7:26 PM

agreed

PHX31 Dec 20, 2012 11:21 PM

Check out this ridiculous list.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Media/...a.aspx?index=3

Can anyone vouch for the accuracy of the per square foot dollar figure for an acre of land (I'd bet prices are still very high, definitely not a 90% discount since the height of the market)? And don't they know it looked like that in that area before the recession (and is getting better now with Roosevelt Point, etc.)? Businesses aren't "closing their doors", more are actually opening in this area. Who writes this type of useless crap on the internet (and why did I read it?).

phxSUNSfan Dec 21, 2012 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PHX31 (Post 5946088)
Check out this ridiculous list.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Media/...a.aspx?index=3

Can anyone vouch for the accuracy of the per square foot dollar figure for an acre of land (I'd bet prices are still very high, definitely not a 90% discount since the height of the market)? And don't they know it looked like that in that area before the recession (and is getting better now with Roosevelt Point, etc.)? Businesses aren't "closing their doors", more are actually opening in this area. Who writes this type of useless crap on the internet (and why did I read it?).

I remember this...it was done a few years ago (2009, maybe 2010) when things weren't looking as great as now and things were in limbo.

HooverDam Dec 21, 2012 5:58 AM

Wow thanks for those aerials PHX31, amazing/depressing. I posted them to my Facebook, hope you don't mind.

On a positive note:

In the past 2 days, "we" (me, you maybe, lots of people) have helped kill the Circle K on the SEC of 7th St/Roosevelt and the David Wright House was bought by a preservation minded buyer, who's going to not live in the house, but rather have it fixed up, preserved and used for educational purposes.

These are 2 amazing Christmas gifts for those of us on team good guys here in PHX.

Leo the Dog Jan 26, 2013 7:08 AM

Cool maps
 
Found this dot density map based off of ethnicity and race. It was in another SSP thread. This map is of the East Valley. Very interesting to look at and compare other cities to Phoenix.

Red = white
Blue = black
Orange = Hispanic
Green = Asian

http://www.flickr.com/photos/walking...57626354149574

dtnphx Jan 28, 2013 6:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo the Dog (Post 5988475)
Found this dot density map based off of ethnicity and race. It was in another SSP thread. This map is of the East Valley. Very interesting to look at and compare other cities to Phoenix.

Red = white
Blue = black
Orange = Hispanic
Green = Asian

http://www.flickr.com/photos/walking...57626354149574

There is this link from The NY Times that shows you how every region and every state. Zoom in for more detail.
http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2...r?ref=nyregion

Leo the Dog Jan 29, 2013 5:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 5990833)
There is this link from The NY Times that shows you how every region and every state. Zoom in for more detail.
http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2...r?ref=nyregion

This is a good site too!

Its fascinating just how segregated American cities are to this day, by choice. I wonder what metro region is the most integrated.

Some quick observations:

Census tract 1157 in South Phoenix - Broadway to Southern, 7th ave to 19th ave
1 sq. mile. Population 7,048
5% white
92% hispanic

Census tracts in the Surprise, Sun Cities area are in the 90%+ white. Some are 99% white. Census tracts in N. Scottsdale around Shea, also in the 90's.

Don B. Feb 2, 2013 5:24 AM

Ate at the 3rd Ave & Roosevelt Pita Jungle with a client for the first time last Wed. It was jam-packed and tasty.

Also was at the Angel's Trumpet House on 2nd Street south of Roosevelt for the No Pants Day on the light rail and that was pretty cool as well.

--don

Vicelord John Feb 2, 2013 1:19 PM

Damnit! I always hear about no pants day after the fact. I've got some crazy velvet paisley boxer briefs that are perfect for such an occasion.

Angels trumpet has a pizza my friend swears is the best ever, called the tractor, with egg, bacon, and Brussels sprouts. I need to try it.

nickw252 Feb 12, 2013 3:58 AM

Since it's been a slow news day, here's a pic of the Phoenix sunrise this morning. It was unusually orange because of the clouds.

http://i46.tinypic.com/349ccd5.jpg

PHX31 Feb 12, 2013 4:36 PM

/\ Nice shot. I think the best angle of the downtown skyline is from the east side looking west (when you are on I-10 somewhere north of Jefferson).

Leo the Dog Feb 12, 2013 6:20 PM

My favorite angle was from the 202 at the 10 interchange going westbound on the 202. DT looks like a fortress from the northeast.

PHX31 Feb 12, 2013 7:54 PM

I came across this "Original Architectural Rendering" of the Viad Tower online.

I thought there was supposed to be a twin, but I had never known the original (or the twin) was supposed to be shorter with the angled slopes much more pronounced. Anyone ever seen this or known about this? Plinko?

http://img3.etsystatic.com/008/0/665...63419_o5dm.jpg

HooverDam Feb 15, 2013 12:27 AM

^^^ Too bad that didn't get built, its more interesting looking.

On another note, this was in the paper today:

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Gosar, Kirkpatrick join forces for Ariz. copper mine

Deteriorating storefronts speak to the hard economic times Superior has faced since mining fell off in the area. Many leaders and residents say they are hoping Resolution Copper Co. plan to open a mine in the mountains east of town will make Superior thrive again.
Jennifer A. Johnson / Cronkite News Service
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By Rebekah L. Sanders
The Republic | azcentral.com
Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:52 PM
Two Arizona Congress members, once rivals on the campaign trail, announced Thursday they are reintroducing legislation to pave the way for the largest copper mine in North America to be dug under thousands of acres near Superior.

U.S. Reps Paul Gosar, a Republican, and Ann Kirkpatrick, a Democrat, touted the Southeast Arizona Land Exchange and Conservation Act as a major job creator for the state. Gosar blamed Washington bickering for the legislation's failure to pass, despite attempts by four Arizona representatives - including both of them - in the last eight years.

U.S. Sens. Jeff Flake and John McCain, both Republicans from Arizona, planned to introduce identical legislation Thursday in the Senate.

“This bill is a win-win for Arizona and for our nation — it will create over 3,700 high-paying jobs, increase U.S. energy and mineral independence, and preserve some of rural Arizona’s most beautiful natural lands,” Gosar said in a written statement. “The gridlock must end. Congresswoman Kirkpatrick and I will build on last year’s successes in the House, work closely with Senators Flake and McCain in the Senate, and finally get this land exchange across the finish line.”

Kirkpatrick, whose district includes the proposed mine site, also praised the mine’s economic benefits.

“My vision for Arizona is a diversified and stable economy. The Superior mine fits into that vision and is critical to the communities and constituents in my district,” she said in a written statement. “It will provide jobs, economic development and a stronger foundation for their future.”

But she acknowledged longstanding opposition to the mine from American Indian tribes and environmental groups, many of whom contributed to Kirkpatrick’s return to Congress this year. The groups worry the mine will threaten the region’s water supply, harm sacred tribal grounds and destroy land in the Tonto National Forest enjoyed by campers and rock climbers. Opponents question the mine’s job-creation figures.

“I believe their voices should be heard during this process,” Kirkpatrick said. She pledged to represent their concerns while also advancing the project.

Arizona Republican Reps. Matt Salmon, David Schweikert and Trent Franks will be co-sponsors as well. The delegation’s remaining four Democrats had not signed on, including Reps. Ed Pastor and Raúl Grijalva, who voiced strong objections in the past.

Under the bill, Resolution Copper Mining Co. would exchange more than 5,000 acres of environmentally sensitive land the company owns throughout Arizona for about 2,400 acres of federal land in the Oak Flat area, about 70 miles east of Phoenix.

The company, jointly owned by U.K.-based Rio Tinto and Australia’s BHP-Billiton, plans to develop a 7,000-foot-deep mine, opening up the third largest undeveloped copper resource in the world, which officials have said could contribute $61.4 billion to Arizona over the course of its projected 66-year lifetime.

A series of Arizona Congress members have tried to shepherd the land swap since 2005. Kirkpatrick worked on the legislation in 2009, before losing her seat to Gosar in a tough election battle in 2010. With the help of the new GOP majority, Gosar was the first to get the bill to a floor vote and won passage in the House in 2011.

But the legislation became bogged down in the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee and made no progress last year.

Just before Christmas, Resolution Copper announced it would lay off more than 400 mine employees because of congressional delays.

Mine backers hope the new bill will have more success, given the two bipartisan representatives leading the charge and changes in Senate committee leadership. Kirkpatrick returned to Congress this year after redistricting prompted Gosar to move to a different district.
Whats the thoughts of people on this board about the Resolution Copper mine? I'm kind of split on it, I usually have a strong opinion one way or the other ,but can certainly see both sides here.

Obviously even if the economic benefits are half of what the supporters are claiming, thats a big help to AZs weak-ish economy. On the other hand, I hate seeing more of our natural beauty depleted, though I haven't camped/hiked in that area specifically and am unsure of exactly how special it is.

I feel like if I knew Rio Tinto or BHP Billiton was going to set up major offices in Central Phoenix and really create a US corporate HQ sort of thing here, I might be more 'pro' the mine. The feel I get now is a bit of out of country folks swooping in, depleting resources and skipping town.

Thoughts?

Vicelord John Feb 20, 2013 10:41 PM

so I took this just now

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d6...psa2636bfd.jpg

PHX31 Feb 20, 2013 10:43 PM

Central Phoenix

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...uadfasdfre.jpg


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