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lubicon Jan 31, 2017 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jmt18325 (Post 7695599)
Calgary is their main hub. Always has been, and probably always will be.

They actually run more flights out of Toronto than they do out of Calgary. But that's beside the point.

Dalreg Jan 31, 2017 9:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie (Post 7695684)
How they "treat" other cities? Really? So they should just fly all these unviable routes just to please the residents of certain cities?

Like it or not Westjet's main operations are at YYC and YYZ and their business plan will be based on that model. The perception of how they treat other cities sounds like they just do it as if they are bullies. I don't think so.

Had WestJet grown organically and been allowed to grow due to demand, Calgary would probably have half the flights it does. Westjet forced people to use it as a hub and promote growth because they basically said so.

You think people from Saskatoon, Regina etc want to travel through Calgary to get to Vancouver? There is demand for direct flights but Westjet and every other "major" airline bully people into flying through their hubs as the only option.

jmt18325 Jan 31, 2017 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalreg (Post 7696394)
Had WestJet grown organically and been allowed to grow due to demand, Calgary would probably have half the flights it does. Westjet forced people to use it as a hub and promote growth because they basically said so.

You think people from Saskatoon, Regina etc want to travel through Calgary to get to Vancouver? There is demand for direct flights but Westjet and every other "major" airline bully people into flying through their hubs as the only option.

Because they make more money that way.

zahav Jan 31, 2017 11:04 PM

I understand why people feel slighted by airline hubs, it's like salt in the wound when you think another city is taking the traffic that should belong to your home airport. But unfortunately that is the reality, and if airlines think there is sufficient demand from other centres, they will adjust their hub system/routes. For example, Westjet built up their Vancouver hub fairly steadily, despite being close to YYC and that being their main base. Yes we have to connect in YYC for some flights, but we have non-stop flights to most of their major Canadian destinations, and comparable US destinations to Calgary. Toronto is a different beast altogether, since they are key to so much of the US and international destinations, they really are more of a cannibal hub out east than YYC is in the west, at this point I'd say

thenoflyzone Jan 31, 2017 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7695871)
Air China has delayed the 789 PEK-YUL... beginning now in September. Also, frequency now 5 weekly instead of 6...beginning in October.

The 3 class 77W will be used for the summer instead of the 789, which is 20 extra seats per flight.

Also, just to be clear, the route will go 6 weekly from July til October.

5x weekly in winter, 6x weekly in summer. Still a decent increase compared to 2016.

casper Feb 1, 2017 2:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalreg (Post 7696394)
Had WestJet grown organically and been allowed to grow due to demand, Calgary would probably have half the flights it does. Westjet forced people to use it as a hub and promote growth because they basically said so.

You think people from Saskatoon, Regina etc want to travel through Calgary to get to Vancouver? There is demand for direct flights but Westjet and every other "major" airline bully people into flying through their hubs as the only option.

Both AC and westjet fly nonstop from yxe to yvr. Air Canada does it year round and Westjet in the summer. As seine who regularly travels on this route the main reason for doing the connection is timing. The AC flight is timed for the mid day bank to Asia.

YWG is also a frequent connection point from saskatchewan and central canada

rotten42 Feb 1, 2017 2:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalreg (Post 7696394)
Had WestJet grown organically and been allowed to grow due to demand, Calgary would probably have half the flights it does. Westjet forced people to use it as a hub and promote growth because they basically said so.

You think people from Saskatoon, Regina etc want to travel through Calgary to get to Vancouver? There is demand for direct flights but Westjet and every other "major" airline bully people into flying through their hubs as the only option.

again...no different than what all other major airlines do with their hub.

ACT7 Feb 1, 2017 3:31 PM

Rouge is adding summer seasonal KEF from YYZ and YUL starting this June.

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1103

4 times weekly from YYZ and 3 times weekly from YUL.

jmt18325 Feb 1, 2017 7:20 PM

That's an exciting destination actually.

eemy Feb 1, 2017 9:44 PM

KEF? Isn't it already served from both YUL and YYZ by Icelandair and WOW air?

jmt18325 Feb 1, 2017 9:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jeremy_haak (Post 7697589)
KEF? Isn't it already served from both YUL and YYZ by Icelandair and WOW air?

Sure, but if you don't live in a city served by them, getting there is (was) difficult.

yyzer Feb 2, 2017 12:44 AM

Bulgarian carrier BH Air is planning YYZ-SOF scheduled flights......

https://seenews.com/news/bulgaria-de...-canada-555554

ACT7 Feb 2, 2017 3:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yyzer (Post 7697811)
Bulgarian carrier BH Air is planning YYZ-SOF scheduled flights......

https://seenews.com/news/bulgaria-de...-canada-555554

Cool! Did NOT see that one coming.

isaidso Feb 2, 2017 4:30 AM

Does Icelandair still fly between Halifax and Reykjavik?

thenoflyzone Feb 2, 2017 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 7698023)
Does Icelandair still fly between Halifax and Reykjavik?

Yes, summer seasonal.

SignalHillHiker Feb 2, 2017 1:41 PM

As of April 30, 2017, WestJet is ending its direct flight from Gander to Toronto and replacing it with two daily flights from Gander to Halifax.

This is a reversal of a relatively recent change that saw the Halifax flights cancelled and more direct flights to Toronto added. When that change was made, WestJet said it was because Gander passengers didn't take to the Halifax flights.

The latest change back to Halifax is being credited to the downturn in the oil and gas industry.

SteelTown Feb 2, 2017 2:22 PM

Province announced BRT will be coming to Hamilton Airport this morning.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3qlqQxXAAYicGP.jpg
https://twitter.com/SamCraggsCBC

thenoflyzone Feb 3, 2017 2:29 AM

Apparently OSS (one stop security) has slowly started at YUL. From select US destinations so far.

Dalreg Feb 3, 2017 6:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 7696615)
Both AC and westjet fly nonstop from yxe to yvr. Air Canada does it year round and Westjet in the summer. As seine who regularly travels on this route the main reason for doing the connection is timing. The AC flight is timed for the mid day bank to Asia.

YWG is also a frequent connection point from saskatchewan and central canada

I never claimed there wasn't direct flights, but the majority of Saskatoon flights to Vancouver have one stop on them.

Feb 6th schedule has 19 flights through all carriers from Saskatoon to Vancouver. Only two are non-stop. Want to take a guess where the other ones stop at?

Johnny Aussie Feb 3, 2017 8:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalreg (Post 7699406)
I never claimed there wasn't direct flights, but the majority of Saskatoon flights to Vancouver have one stop on them.

Feb 6th schedule has 19 flights through all carriers from Saskatoon to Vancouver. Only two are non-stop. Want to take a guess where the other ones stop at?

If the direct market was large enough perhaps there would be more flights.

Do you think YXE-YVR could fill 8 - 10 flights a day? I don't.

But yes... You will be bullied into having to connect in YYC.


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