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speedog Jan 26, 2016 1:55 AM

Hearing of all the flight changes out of the various Canadian airports, I do find interesting how much anger there is in the Edmonton airport thread as opposed to the similar Calgary thread. Yeah, there are some reasonable voices on the YEG thread that recognize that economics determine this but others take to the point that they will go out of their way not to fly through YYC or state that the airlines are during flights deliberately in YEG regardless of economics.

Now it needs to be noted that I haven't flown anywhere probably 10 years and don't envision doing so anytime soon, just not my thing but to spend more or inconvenience one's self to avoid another airport seems somewhat ridiculous to me. I have flown places where I had to connect through Edmonton, many many years ago, and it just wasn't all that big of a deal. I just understand the basis of some YEG people being so anti-YYC in the airport world.

Jaws Jan 26, 2016 2:37 AM

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Originally Posted by speedog (Post 7312639)
Hearing of all the flight changes out of the various Canadian airports, I do find interesting how much anger there is in the Edmonton airport thread as opposed to the similar Calgary thread. Yeah, there are some reasonable voices on the YEG thread that recognize that economics determine this but others take to the point that they will go out of their way not to fly through YYC or state that the airlines are during flights deliberately in YEG regardless of economics.

Now it needs to be noted that I haven't flown anywhere probably 10 years and don't envision doing so anytime soon, just not my thing but to spend more or inconvenience one's self to avoid another airport seems somewhat ridiculous to me. I have flown places where I had to connect through Edmonton, many many years ago, and it just wasn't all that big of a deal. I just understand the basis of some YEG people being so anti-YYC in the airport world.

It has nothing to with being anti-Calgary whatsoever. It's anti-whomever-forces-us-to-us-another-airport-because-they-have-decided-that-a-nearby-airport-should-be-a-hub-and-that-flights-should-be-funnelled-through-said-airport-to-the-detriment-of-our-local-airport. In this case AC. As an example, AC offers no flights to any sun destinations from Edmonton at all. Yet Transat, Sunwing, and Westjet offer plenty. I can't say it strongly enough - Fuck Air Canada. But here I am sitting on 300k Aeroplan points.

Johnny Aussie Jan 26, 2016 3:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaws (Post 7312681)
It has nothing to with being anti-Calgary whatsoever. It's anti-whomever-forces-us-to-us-another-airport-because-they-have-decided-that-a-nearby-airport-should-be-a-hub-and-that-flights-should-be-funnelled-through-said-airport-to-the-detriment-of-our-local-airport. In this case AC..

Wrong, there are many posters who have publicly stated they won't fly via YYC period. Nothing to do with AC. And that's their prerogative. Westjet, American, United, Alaska, Transat and even Sunwing have reduced flights and / or having more of their flights stop via YYC before continuing on. I pity those who have booked Sunwing flights thinking their flight is nonstop only to be told they will be flying via YYC. Via YQR? Yeah that's ok, but via YYC?! I do find Air Canada is usually singled out though. But that's fine too. Everybody can have an opinion and my opinion is that's crazy to single out one airline just because it is based here doesn't mean they have to fly to everywhere. I have read all the arguments against that and I'm sure I'll hear them again. And again, that's their prerogative to feel what they want. Now that Westjet is slashing YEG flights, it will "force" certain travelers to connect in YYC whether they like it or not. Of course, the alternatives are to not travel at all or spend hundreds of dollars to fly out of the way to avoid flying via YYC. And that's their choice. And don't let DL fool you, they want Edmontonians to fly via SEA to feed all their flights they are building from there. Same idea, just a different mindset because it's in a different country and it's not YYC of course. And there may be some deep hidden mysterious devious reasons why YYC was "decided" to be a hub. Not just for AC but Westjet too.

Jaws Jan 26, 2016 4:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie (Post 7312702)
Wrong, there are many posters who have publicly stated they won't fly via YYC period. Nothing to do with AC. And that's their prerogative. Westjet, American, United, Alaska, Transat and even Sunwing have reduced flights and / or having more of their flights stop via YYC before continuing on. I pity those who have booked Sunwing flights thinking their flight is nonstop only to be told they will be flying via YYC. Via YQR? Yeah that's ok, but via YYC?! I do find Air Canada is usually singled out though. But that's fine too. Everybody can have an opinion and my opinion is that's crazy to single out one airline just because it is based here doesn't mean they have to fly to everywhere. I have read all the arguments against that and I'm sure I'll hear them again. And again, that's their prerogative to feel what they want. Now that Westjet is slashing YEG flights, it will "force" certain travelers to connect in YYC whether they like it or not. Of course, the alternatives are to not travel at all or spend hundreds of dollars to fly out of the way to avoid flying via YYC. And that's their choice. And don't let DL fool you, they want Edmontonians to fly via SEA to feed all their flights they are building from there. Same idea, just a different mindset because it's in a different country and it's not YYC of course. And there may be some deep hidden mysterious devious reasons why YYC was "decided" to be a hub. Not just for AC but Westjet too.

Again, nothing to do being anti-Calgary whatsoever, but you're entitled to your opinion, mate.

Johnny Aussie Jan 26, 2016 4:29 AM

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Originally Posted by speedog (Post 7312639)
Yeah, there are some reasonable voices on the YEG thread that recognize that economics determine this but others take to the point that they will go out of their way not to fly through YYC or state that the airlines are during flights deliberately in YEG regardless of economics.

..... some YEG people being so anti-YYC in the airport world.

I have observed the exact same thing even to the point of some posters well maybe one in particular calling Calgary the ugly sister or ugly pig. Ah well!!

thenoflyzone Jan 26, 2016 2:07 PM

YOW 2015 numbers

4,656,360 (+0.9%)

International and transborder figures slightly down for the year. The growth was mainly all in the domestic front. Does not beat the record set in 2012, which saw 4,685,956 passengers.

http://yow.ca/sites/yow.ca/files/pax...dec_15_eng.pdf

esquire Jan 26, 2016 3:02 PM

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Originally Posted by speedog (Post 7312639)
Hearing of all the flight changes out of the various Canadian airports, I do find interesting how much anger there is in the Edmonton airport thread as opposed to the similar Calgary thread. Yeah, there are some reasonable voices on the YEG thread that recognize that economics determine this but others take to the point that they will go out of their way not to fly through YYC or state that the airlines are during flights deliberately in YEG regardless of economics.

Now it needs to be noted that I haven't flown anywhere probably 10 years and don't envision doing so anytime soon, just not my thing but to spend more or inconvenience one's self to avoid another airport seems somewhat ridiculous to me. I have flown places where I had to connect through Edmonton, many many years ago, and it just wasn't all that big of a deal. I just understand the basis of some YEG people being so anti-YYC in the airport world.

Yeah, there is a weird persecution complex in Edmonton when it comes to the airport. Air Canada is out to get them, Calgary is out to get them, lately I've been hearing grumbling that WestJet is part of the great conspiracy too...

There is no other city in Canada that ties its civic self esteem to the airport the way that Edmonton does.

I dunno, YEG has about the level of service I'd expect it to given its location and size. The terminal is lovely. I don't see what there is to complain about...

eemy Jan 26, 2016 11:15 PM

I've noticed it in the Vancouver thread too, fwiw.

Johnny Aussie Jan 27, 2016 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremy_haak (Post 7313968)
I've noticed it in the Vancouver thread too, fwiw.

Yup. There are some conspiracy theories that some how the Government of Canada, Air Canada and Toronto are out to get YVR. Despite the fact YYZ is the main financial economic powerhouse of Canada and Air Canada has made its intentions clearly known it wants to make YYZ a bigger true global hub.. Etc. But constantly explaining all the facts does get tiresome.
Despite the fact that in the last 12 months and projecting just for the next six months Air Canada is either adding the following new routes or adding capacity to: Osaka, Dublin, Brisbane, London LHR, Sydney, Shanghai, Chicago, San Jose, San Diego, Newark, and bringing mainline back to LAX and SFO. Have I missed anything? Too many additions to keep track these days.
And for all the other new airlines recently started or about to start PLUS all the Chinese airlines beating on YVR's door clamouring to get in... Oh whoa is them!

esquire Jan 27, 2016 12:55 AM

YVR has an embarrassment of riches and is an entire country's Pacific hub, I don't know what on earth they have to complain about.

LeftCoaster Jan 27, 2016 1:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie (Post 7314089)
Yup. There are some conspiracy theories that some how the Government of Canada, Air Canada and Toronto are out to get YVR. Despite the fact YYZ is the main financial economic powerhouse of Canada and Air Canada has made its intentions clearly known it wants to make YYZ a bigger true global hub.. Etc. But constantly explaining all the facts does get tiresome.
Despite the fact that in the last 12 months and projecting just for the next six months Air Canada is either adding the following new routes or adding capacity to Osaka, Dublin, Brisbane, London LHR, Sydney, Shanghai, Chicago, San Jose, San Diego, Newark, and bringing mainline back to LAX and SFO. Have I missed anything? Too many additions to keep track these days.
And for all the other new airlines recently started or about to start PLUS all the Chinese airlines beating on YVR's door clamouring to get in... Oh whoa is them!

In fairness isn't it really only one person? Who hasn't lived in Canada for like 40 years. Not to point fingers or anything...

Johnny Aussie Jan 27, 2016 1:17 AM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7314111)
In fairness isn't it really only one person? Who hasn't lived in Canada for like 40 years. Not to point fingers or anything...

Mainly one, but there are a few sidekicks. Glass half empty types. So one's glass is always empty and two-three have their glasses always half empty.

I've resorted to ignoring those posters' comments... Not blocked... But don't bother explaining anymore. I just stick to the facts with a bit of analysis on the side :D:D

G.S MTL Jan 27, 2016 2:11 AM

I have updated the Intercontinental service from YUL... Air transat to Pisa was removed as they have cancelled the route. Air China has asked for service to Montreal from Shanghai daily but i haven't heard any news from that potential future route. Tunisair also has NOT yet confirmed service to Montreal so I will not put it on the list until confirmed and that goes for all other future routes. Air Algerie will have 10 weekly flights to YUL summer only. Also royal air maroc has confirmed 2 daily YUL-CMN and as we all know Air Canada Rouge will also have a seasonal non stop flight to Casablanca from Montreal 4 x a week beginning in June 2016. For a total of 18 weekly flights to Casablanca! pretty cool! :)

Here is it.

http://s29.postimg.org/s87fr5d07/yul.jpg

casper Jan 27, 2016 5:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaws (Post 7312681)
It has nothing to with being anti-Calgary whatsoever. It's anti-whomever-forces-us-to-us-another-airport-because-they-have-decided-that-a-nearby-airport-should-be-a-hub-and-that-flights-should-be-funnelled-through-said-airport-to-the-detriment-of-our-local-airport. In this case AC. As an example, AC offers no flights to any sun destinations from Edmonton at all. Yet Transat, Sunwing, and Westjet offer plenty. I can't say it strongly enough - Fuck Air Canada. But here I am sitting on 300k Aeroplan points.

As someone who use to live in Saskatoon and travels quite a bit, I have never used Sunwing but do remember being at the airport when the odd flight arrives they have all the passengers going to Edmonton go through customs and then reboard the aircraft to continue on to Edmonton. I think the charter airlines are pretty good and consolidating flights and turning non-stops into direct flight when needed.

Denscity Jan 27, 2016 6:50 AM

YVR to see it's first 747 8i with Korean.

thenoflyzone Jan 27, 2016 10:58 AM

Hainan has loaded PEK-YYC. Not bookable for now.

Surprised this one actually starts as planned, but, it was a matter of when, not if.

http://airlineroute.net/2016/01/27/hu-yyc-s16/

Coldrsx Jan 27, 2016 2:27 PM

^Nicely done YYC, I'd consider taking that next fall or spring.

thenoflyzone Jan 27, 2016 2:33 PM

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Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7314177)
Air China has asked for service to Montreal from Shanghai daily but i haven't heard any news from that potential future route.

Now that HU is starting YYC, i think it will piss off CA and they will probably launch PVG-YUL to retaliate.

begratto Jan 27, 2016 2:48 PM

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Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7314177)
I have updated the Intercontinental service from YUL... Air transat to Pisa was removed as they have cancelled the route. Air China has asked for service to Montreal from Shanghai daily but i haven't heard any news from that potential future route. Tunisair also has NOT yet confirmed service to Montreal so I will not put it on the list until confirmed and that goes for all other future routes. Air Algerie will have 10 weekly flights to YUL summer only. Also royal air maroc has confirmed 2 daily YUL-CMN and as we all know Air Canada Rouge will also have a seasonal non stop flight to Casablanca from Montreal 4 x a week beginning in June 2016. For a total of 18 weekly flights to Casablanca! pretty cool! :)

Love your table. Nice work, well done!

What I find the most impressive is the number of flights between Montreal and France. I count 86 per week per direction. That's a lot of people crossing the Atlantic.

If you count Brussels and Geneva, it's 111 flights per week between Montreal and French-speaking Europe. wow.

thenoflyzone Jan 27, 2016 3:41 PM

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Originally Posted by begratto (Post 7314649)
Love your table. Nice work, well done!

What I find the most impressive is the number of flights between Montreal and France. I count 86 per week per direction. That's a lot of people crossing the Atlantic.

If you count Brussels and Geneva, it's 111 flights per week between Montreal and French-speaking Europe. wow.

Yes indeed. TS alone has 70 flights a week to Europe, 37 of which are to France ! 70/week, that's exactly the same as AC/RV, which also has 70/week. This is the first year AC/RV will have as many flights/week to Europe than TS, because of AC's addition of LYS.

Nonetheless, that list shows how huge TS is on YUL-France, and as long as Rouge and WestJet concentrate the bulk of their European flying out of YYZ, YYC and YVR, they wont be able to dethrone TS when it comes to linking "La belle Province" to the "Hexagone" !


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