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NYguy Mar 12, 2014 2:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gttx (Post 6489720)
The talk tonight at the skyscraper museum was really interesting. Some incredible new renderings, especially of the crown and the facade.

It was mentioned in passing that the tower was "right at about 1400 feet."

Unfortunately my phone died (of course), but the talk will be posted on the museum's website within the week. Maybe someone else grabbed some pictures.


Fantastic. It may top 432 (barely) just yet.

gttx Mar 12, 2014 3:53 AM

Also the structural system is pretty cool. Basically the east and west facades are shear walls with openings punched in them, tied together laterally through a central core (with additional lateral bracing within the mechanical levels and two "open floors" that also allow wind through the building). This leaves the north and south facades basically uninterrupted...a 60' wide by 14' tall clear view of central park.

At the top they are using two tuned-mass dampers. One is 850 tons and the other 350 tons (they vary because the wind forces are different between NS and EW).

DURKEY427 Mar 12, 2014 5:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 6489177)

The great stairway to heavan haha i like it!

I really like this building the setbacks at the top make this the best of the big three.

King DenCity Mar 12, 2014 5:53 PM

If this went to 1500 that would be double heaven for me.
Btw, when will we start to see construction? Early summer?

Crawford Mar 12, 2014 6:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6489802)
Fantastic. It may top 432 (barely) just yet.

Wow, so "right at about 1400 feet" sounds good to me.

I really hope 111 W.57 tops 432 Park, even if it is only by a few feet. I much prefer 111 W.57, and even though neither building will be Midtown's top dog, I want 111 on top of 432.

Zapatan Mar 12, 2014 10:17 PM

Wow another 1400 footer?

Hopefully this will convince Barnett to raise 225 w 57 to the ~1500 range :)

NYguy Mar 16, 2014 12:22 PM

Video Link

NYguy Mar 16, 2014 1:15 PM

I'm in love with this building, and enjoyed watching that. Stern says it is the first 1,400 ft building to win unanimous landmark and community board approval.

Some screen shots below:


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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/154858493/original.jpg


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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/154858497/original.jpg


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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/154858502/original.jpg

antinimby Mar 16, 2014 4:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 6491131)
Wow another 1400 footer?

Hopefully this will convince Barnett to raise 225 w 57 to the ~1500 range :)

Problem is that Gary just heard an earful from the NIMBY's about how height is such a terrible thing so that might have influenced him just a little.

Damn NIMBY's. I wished they would be more vocal on great design and appearance rather than height.

Onn Mar 16, 2014 5:08 PM

Brilliant, brilliant presentation! Where as One57 and 432 Park are more cash-cows (and there's nothing wrong with cash-cows), 111 W 57th St. is more pure architectural genius! Shop has really thought out everything very carefully here. I have no doubt this will be their best project yet and a gem of this skyscraper boom. :D

CCs77 Mar 16, 2014 6:47 PM

I am posting some shots of the presentation. most have already been posted by NYGuy, but I added some information of what they said in the presentation

Regarding the height of the building, I wouldn't count on that this building has been stretched to 1400 ft, I think it is still at the 1350 ft already projected.
The guy at the presentation said that "our firm is going to join to the skyscraper club and add something this tall, this is approximately fourteen feet tall, it's a bit taller than the ESB" So I think he wast just rounding the height to fourteen hundred feet to indicate it was tall.

Anyway, kind of cool presentation.


A cross section of the bottom of the building

http://img9.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...0a5fd38154.jpg

The guy said that the east and west facades will be basically punched shear walls, with the walls of the core and two columns on the north and south facades each, completing the structural system. Here's a diagram of it. Bellow, some more floor plan diagrams and a complete floor plan, which the guy said they were still working on it.

http://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...3369991d3f.jpg

http://img5.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...90dbc57ca4.jpg

http://img6.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...34fecb1ad9.jpg

http://img7.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...e0e01381fa.jpg



A diagram of an individual floor cross section. He said that each floor will be 15 ft tall (so similar to 432) with 14 ft free to the ceiling. With some double height duplexes with 28 ft ceilings. (should be 29 ft adding the thickness of the missing slab)
http://img4.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...e8692b49ba.jpg






Details of the Facades

North and south facades, as all we know, are going to have those terracota vertical strips. He said that they will be molded so the facades will have some textures and light effects.

Here are drawings of the "movement" of those strips and a mockup of the terracota pieces.

http://img7.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...64a90deaa7.jpg

http://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...d09c0a27ed.jpg



For the northern facade, it will be glassy and it will have some horizontal bronze elements between each floor. Those elements will be thicker at the center so it would have the effect that the facade is slightly curved, but in fact it will be flat.

http://img6.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...2b4736e89e.jpg



For the southern facade, the bronze elements will be vertical, and it will have terraces at the setbacks. Notice the terracota strips protrude about 2 meters above the terrace floor (seen behind the guy standing at the balcony, taht could be misidentified as building). Also do the bronze rails that protrude above the glass railing.

http://img5.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...80caa8ec64.jpg

http://img4.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...7a5280ba35.jpg

CCs77 Mar 16, 2014 10:03 PM

Some more captures of the presentation
One more of a typical floor plan and a mechanical floor plan bellow

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...pscf87023c.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...ps3fbb1ac5.jpg




An upper level floor plan

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...psac8bde90.jpg



The mass damper level floor plan

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...psd2e30008.jpg


An open level floor plan. Made to let the wind flow, there will be two of them as shown in the model at the left.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...ps880b0f0e.jpg

wilfredo267 Mar 17, 2014 12:57 AM

So they said approximately 1,400 feet. Excellent!

JayPro Mar 17, 2014 1:04 AM

I'm assuming unfortunately that they didn't show any closeup details of the crown or the buildings lighting scheme.

NYguy Mar 17, 2014 1:09 AM

^ The video is worth the watch.



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Originally Posted by Onn (Post 6496557)
Brilliant, brilliant presentation!

Shop has really thought out everything very carefully here. I have no doubt this will be their best project yet and a gem of this skyscraper boom. :D

Yes, it was both informative and entertaining to watch. When this tower is built, SHoP will become the architecture firm in NYC, as if it isn't already.



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Originally Posted by CCs77 (Post 6496809)
For the northern facade, it will be glassy and it will have some horizontal bronze elements between each floor. Those elements will be thicker at the center so it would have the effect that the facade is slightly curved, but in fact it will be flat.

I love the bronze elements of the fa├žade, along with the terracotta.



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Originally Posted by wilfredo267
So they said approximately 1,400 feet. Excellent!

Stern also said it would be a 1,400 ft tower. That could also mean it's a bit higher, but I'm sure they are working that out. There are 3 towers, 432 Park, the Nordstrom, and this one, that are pretty close in height. Maybe, like Barnett, they are keeping the exact height unknown as long as they can (building permits don't always give you that), vying for that crown of tallest. Nordstrom is still likely to be the tallest, but you never know what schemes are at work. I still don't know why 432 Park is called "432 Park" when the actual 432 Park is on the next block.

Crawford Mar 17, 2014 1:59 AM

Wired NY has an amazing image of the tower from the East 57th Street perspective.

I don't know if it's from the presentation or not, but it's spectacular.

gttx Mar 17, 2014 2:28 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6497003)
When this tower is built, SHoP will become the architecture firm in NYC, as if it isn't already.

It isn't.

Not to knock SHoP, but the Barclay's Center plus a 1-2 more projects don't catapult you to the top of the NY architecture world, as much as they would like to think so.

NYguy Mar 17, 2014 2:33 AM

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Originally Posted by gttx (Post 6497095)
It isn't.

Not to knock SHoP, but the Barclay's Center plus a 1-2 more projects don't catapult you to the top of the NY architecture world, as much as they would like to think so.

"Top of the architecture world" is something different. But as far as remaking the New York skyline with developments all over the City from Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island, and Manhattan, yeah, I would say SHoP is the current "darling" of New York. They are involved in more development than you are aware of apparently.

ILNY Mar 17, 2014 4:24 AM

3.14.14

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7067/1...a37a34bd_b.jpg


Mini excavation has started !
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3711/1...8e319765_b.jpg


Mini excavation equipment has arrived !
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3691/1...0fc971fe_b.jpg

McSky Mar 17, 2014 5:08 AM

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/...2.jpg~original


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