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NYguy Sep 10, 2013 2:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MarshallKnight (Post 6260791)
:previous: Is it just me, or does it look like the sections are slightly concave?

It looks that way, but hard to say for certain with that rendering.



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Originally Posted by JayPro (Post 6260867)
Amanda Burden and her bean-counters have kept a profile bordering flatline.

That's what happens when you don't need a special permit. As a matter of fact, of all the tallest residential proposals under construction or nearing, only the Tower Verre needed to go through that long and torturous process. I think developers prefer to take the road with no roadblocks, save financing.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152270002/original.jpg

JayPro Sep 10, 2013 4:17 AM

Yeah...I also seem to notice something about this tower's geometry that says SMH...S for scratch in confusion. It makes me want to keep going back to look for what it is.
PS: THey did a lousy superimposition job. It's all the more flagrant as the image gets blown up. "First public release image out the proverbial door" is no excuse. The finer details ought to be conspicuous at the outset.

James Bond Agent 007 Sep 10, 2013 5:45 AM

I'm dying for a rendering from the Central Park side.

sparkling Sep 10, 2013 7:40 AM

That's from the JDS Development group website "JDS Development Group is currently developing 105-111 West 57th Street, a luxury condominium tower and conversion of the landmark Steinway building. The property is located within walking distance of a wealth of New York City’s most notable leisure points of interests, including Central Park, Carnegie Hall, Radio City Music Hall, the Museum of Modern Art, and the world-famous Fifth Avenue and 57th Street shopping districts.

The project will offer both landmark conversion product and new modern product with shared recreation spaces and lobby, and will feature a large retail component. With frontage on 57th Street and 58th Street, the project will create a dramatic street presence and benefit from its prime Midtown location at the epicenter of Manhattan’s premier international shopping, tourist and commercial districts.

105-111 West 57th Street is a joint development with strategic partner Property Markets Group"
What do you think they mean by "shared spaces and lobby"- the Steinway will be incorporated into the new building thus allowing for a larger footprint or simply they will connect the two buildings with a door/doors

NYguy Sep 10, 2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JayPro (Post 6261008)
"First public release image out the proverbial door" is no excuse. The finer details ought to be conspicuous at the outset.

Renders will come. Remember how long it took before we got another rendering after that initial 432 Park render, which wasn't great.



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Originally Posted by sparkling (Post 6261123)
What do you think they mean by "shared spaces and lobby"- the Steinway will be incorporated into the new building thus allowing for a larger footprint or simply they will connect the two buildings with a door/doors

http://jdsdevelopmentgroup.com/portf...t-57th-street/

They mean exactly what they say, the Steinway Hall building will be integrated into this development. The lower floors will be retail.

ablerock Sep 10, 2013 1:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6260726)
http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/archives/70453

Keeping Up With the Super-Tall Joneses: SHoP Designs Another Manhattan Skyscraper

http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/...chpaper-01.jpg

September 9, 2013
Nicole Anderson

I'm intrigued by this design and look forward to more renderings.

To my eye, and only having this view, its form looks heavily influenced by nature/organic materials, specifically blades of grass or other long, thin leaves and stems. It makes sense that SHoP (and other firms) would look to nature for inspiration on how to engineer very thin yet strong structures, or at least reference them proportionally/aesthetically.

My theory about this influence could disappear once we get more angles of the building of course. :)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3764/9...a356ed28_o.jpg

NYguy Sep 10, 2013 11:33 PM

In my mind, it's been more of a giant bamboo stick. But the building itself will be sort of a giant spire. I think we will be seeing more of these super tall, super thin buildings.

chris08876 Sep 11, 2013 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6262123)
In my mind, it's been more of a giant bamboo stick. But the building itself will be sort of a giant spire. I think we will be seeing more of these super tall, super thin buildings.

I can only imagine the engineering that is going to go into this. A tower that is thinner then 432 park ave, and roughly or close to the height; its going to require an insane psi in the concrete.

scalziand Sep 11, 2013 2:33 AM

I would say 14,000 psi minimum, maybe higher.

Here's an application of 19,000 psi 2 decades ago.
http://www.silicafume.org/pdf/reprints-hscjumps.pdf

ablerock Sep 11, 2013 1:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6262123)
In my mind, it's been more of a giant bamboo stick. But the building itself will be sort of a giant spire. I think we will be seeing more of these super tall, super thin buildings.

Yeah I can see that. Kind of looks like a someone took a machete to one side in the jungle! :)

I'm excited to see all of the variations on this form factor. 432 Park is going to look chubby next to this waif!

chris08876 Sep 11, 2013 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ablerock (Post 6262602)
Yeah I can see that. Kind of looks like a someone took a machete to one side in the jungle! :)

I'm excited to see all of the variations on this form factor. 432 Park is going to look chubby next to this waif!

Based on the renderings it looks like a waterfall. Almost like steps that seem to get shorter as the height increases. Has a slick and water-flowing facade to it.

JACKinBeantown Sep 12, 2013 12:33 AM

To me it looks like they sliced out one of the middle sections of Jin Mao.

http://www.travlang.com/blog/wp-cont...ower_china.jpg
travlang.com

NYguy Sep 12, 2013 2:11 PM

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...DLETopStories#

"It's really going to enhance the skyline," says Vishaan Chakrabarti, a partner at SHoP Architects, which designed the tower.


Imagine that tower, with the slim, stepped-back profile on the skyline...


jmarchena

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7419/9...a2a538f9_h.jpg



http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2840/9...b617d822_h.jpg

NYguy Sep 12, 2013 9:48 PM

http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/download...a_landmark.pdf


STEINWAY HALL INTERIOR STRIKES A CHORD WITH THE LANDMARKS PRESERVATION COMMISSION
First-Floor Reception Room and Hallway of Famed Piano Manufacturer’s Showroom on West 57th Street Named New York City’s 116th Interior Landmark



Sept. 10, 2013


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The Landmarks Preservation Commission today gave unanimous approval to the interior landmark designation of the lavish first-floor reception room and an adjacent hallway at Steinway Hall, the landmark office building at 109 West 57th St. commissioned by the piano manufacturer to house its showrooms and headquarters. Completed in 1925, the 16-story office building and reception room were designed by Walter L. Hopkins, an architect with the celebrated firm of Warren and Wetmore, which was responsible for some of the city’s best-known buildings, such as Grand Central Terminal. Steinway Hall was named a City landmark in 2001.

The neo-Renaissance style reception room, which is visible from the street, served as a circulation hub where Steinway representatives met musicians, visitors and potential customers before escorting them to the piano showrooms or to the “piano bank,” where musicians select instruments needed for a concert or tour. The space consists of a double-height, octagonal rotunda featuring a crystal chandelier hanging from a domed ceiling decorated with hand-painted allegorical murals of nymphs, goddesses, animals and musical instruments. White marble arches that rest on fluted Ionic columns flanked by green marble pilasters are set within large four arched walls and linked by a continuous marble cornice.

“Given how little it’s has changed over the years and the incredible talent it’s served, the rotunda is a monument not only to architecture and music, but also Steinway & Sons itself,” said Commission Chairman Robert B. Tierney. “It’s one of the most sumptuous retail spaces in New York City and has remained remarkably intact for nearly 90 years.

...To qualify for interior landmark status, a space must be at least 30 years old, architecturally, historically or architecturally significant and be customarily accessible by the public. The space comprising the Steinway Hall reception room and hallway is the City’s 116th interior landmark, joining other renowned spaces such as the Rainbow Room and the lobbies of the Woolworth and Chrysler buildings.

jcrm2 Sep 15, 2013 1:42 PM

I guess we're in an era in NY where super tall thin buildings will be the norm. Big foot print tall buildings like WTC & ESB will be no more.

photoLith Sep 15, 2013 2:19 PM

I dont see why the Steinway Hall designation impacts this building? That building is beautiful and Steinway Hall needs to be preserved.

chris08876 Sep 15, 2013 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jcrm2 (Post 6268017)
I guess we're in an era in NY where super tall thin buildings will be the norm. Big foot print tall buildings like WTC & ESB will be no more.

Hudson Yards and Manhattan West all have very large footprints. But I do see your point. I'd say Brooklyn is the key if you want large footprints. Manhattan is pretty much over built; well once those particular areas such as the west side are filled up. It will eventually spread to the other boroughs. But this is years and years of planning of course. The whole east side rezoning will generate massive towers.

Tectonic Sep 15, 2013 5:45 PM

To get apts with max views we may soon have somethig like this in midtown:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_V7IT9bKqNu...etsonsBldg.jpg

King DenCity Sep 15, 2013 10:54 PM

^Haha, and then we should wear neon clothes and have white hair. :)

supertallchaser Sep 15, 2013 11:48 PM

poor one 57 will be blocked from the images above :( . but honestly the footprint needs to be bigger it looks like a pen


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