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casper Oct 11, 2021 2:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9420659)
Interesting. Ryan Yang is mentioned. He's a cargo manager for Swissport. So still unclear if this is a passenger flight or a cargo run. Although I'm suspecting the former.

I think they just removed the post a second ago !

With the lack of YVR-Asia/Australia passenger flights at the moment, SQ might be trying to capitalize on all the VFR demand from Canada to SE Asia/Australia, etc.

Let's see what happens.

Looks to be passenger flight with a tag-on to Seattle. Hope they sell tickets on the YVR-SEA run as well.

Here is the press release.....
https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/s.../ne2121-211011

And details on flight times.....
https://www.singaporeair.com/saar5/p...AUSANNEXEA.pdf

Coldrsx Oct 11, 2021 3:15 PM

Has anyone flown through the USA en route to another country of late?

I am YYC-DFW-MEX in 3 weeks and found some of the information inconsistent.

As I read it, it is a negative viral/rapid test 72hrs because I am passing through the US but nothing for Mexico there.

Return is a PCR to get back to Canada which the US will accept as well?


Last updated October 4, 2021 at 11:25am EDT.
All airline passengers to the United States ages two years and older must provide a negative COVID-19 viral test taken within three calendar days of travel. Alternatively, travelers to the U.S. may provide documentation from a licensed health care provider of having recovered from COVID-19 in the 90 days preceding travel.
https://ca.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information-canada-3/

hollywoodcory Oct 11, 2021 3:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9416331)
https://westjet.mediaroom.com/2021-1...nto-and-Dublin

WS adding YYZ-DUB next summer, bringing its total TATL offering from YYZ to 5. Flights up to 1x daily on a 7M8.

The same week WS added this route, AC upguaged YYZ-DUB to a 77W and YUL-DUB to a 333.

That is a lot of added capacity to Dublin.

Calfan12 Oct 11, 2021 5:32 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9420709)
Looks to be passenger flight with a tag-on to Seattle. Hope they sell tickets on the YVR-SEA run as well.

Here is the press release.....
https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/s.../ne2121-211011

And details on flight times.....
https://www.singaporeair.com/saar5/p...AUSANNEXEA.pdf

Singapore Airlines cannot sell tickets to transport passengers between Vancouver & Seattle as they will need government approvals for that✅!

Singapore Airlines can carry passengers to their final destinations in Vancouver, Seattle or to Singapore.

casper Oct 11, 2021 7:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9420822)
Singapore Airlines cannot sell tickets to transport passengers between Vancouver & Seattle as they will need government approvals for that✅!

Singapore Airlines can carry passengers to their final destinations in Vancouver, Seattle or to Singapore.

They have not made the details of the treaty public. I would not be surprised if it allow onward traffic rights. That is quite common. However until they make more details public we will not know.

https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/transport-agreement/singapore

thenoflyzone Oct 11, 2021 8:11 PM

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Singapore Airlines (SIA) is launching four-times weekly seasonal services to Vancouver, Canada and Seattle, the United States of America (USA), from 2 December 2021 to 15 February 2022
An extremely seasonal flight. 2.5 months of operation. Very unlike SQ, and proof they are going after VFR demand to Singapore and the rest of S and SE Asia for the winter holiday season.

Will be interesting to see the SEA/ YVR origin split of the passengers. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is no 5th freedom rights - or that they chose not to exercise it, similar to the situation of RJ from YUL to DTW - , considering the nature of the flight.

thewave46 Oct 11, 2021 8:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9420928)
An extremely seasonal flight. 2.5 months of operation. Very unlike SQ, and proof they are going after VFR demand to Singapore and the rest of S and SE Asia for the winter holiday season.

Will be interesting to see the SEA/ YVR origin split of the passengers. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is no 5th freedom rights - or that they chose not to exercise it, similar to the situation of RJ from YUL to DTW - , considering the nature of the flight.

Yeah, I don't see the hassle of serving SEA - YVR traffic even worth the bother of the fifth-freedom flight given the distance involved.

It's about 250km by road. There are any number of better options for travellers (road/rail) and enough existing air competition to make it extremely marginal from a business case point of view.

nname Oct 11, 2021 9:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9420928)
An extremely seasonal flight. 2.5 months of operation. Very unlike SQ, and proof they are going after VFR demand to Singapore and the rest of S and SE Asia for the winter holiday season.

Maybe this is SQ's attempt to save the SEA route, similar to AC's YYZ-MXP...

thenoflyzone Oct 11, 2021 9:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 9420980)
Maybe this is SQ's attempt to save the SEA route, similar to AC's YYZ-MXP...

Could be. The tag to SEA is surprising, to say the least. But it might indicate that operating to both non stop at the moment is not feasible.

mapleleaf66 Oct 11, 2021 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9420735)
Has anyone flown through the USA en route to another country of late?

I am YYC-DFW-MEX in 3 weeks and found some of the information inconsistent.

As I read it, it is a negative viral/rapid test 72hrs because I am passing through the US but nothing for Mexico there.

Return is a PCR to get back to Canada which the US will accept as well?


Last updated October 4, 2021 at 11:25am EDT.
All airline passengers to the United States ages two years and older must provide a negative COVID-19 viral test taken within three calendar days of travel. Alternatively, travelers to the U.S. may provide documentation from a licensed health care provider of having recovered from COVID-19 in the 90 days preceding travel.
https://ca.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information-canada-3/

I have talked to family members that have travelled to the US in recent weeks. All of them told me you do not need the more expensive PCR to enter. Get the antigen test at Shopper's Drug Mart for $40. You can also get it at the airport before you board but you might want to go a day or two ahead just in case. If you do opt for the PCR test it will also be accepted.

To come back you need the PCR test done no more than 72 hrs before. Not sure about Mexico City but PVR has a testing site at the airport open 24/7 no appointment needed. Cost is about $100 CDN. Results come back in less than 48 hrs.

thenoflyzone Oct 12, 2021 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9420980)
Maybe this is SQ's attempt to save the SEA route, similar to AC's YYZ-MXP...

Considering 2 of the 4x weekly flights will be reserved for SIN O&D alone (from what I understand), this might explain the YVR/SEA combo. Neither have enough demand to SIN proper to justify a non stop. Both of them together, however, might work.

casper Oct 12, 2021 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9421051)
Considering 2 of the 4x weekly flights will be reserved for SIN O&D alone (from what I understand), this might explain the YVR/SEA combo. Neither have enough demand to SIN proper to justify a non stop. Both of them together, however, might work.

Lets hope Singapore Airlines comes to their senses and understands the benefits of serving YVR year round even if they have to use a tag-on to make it work. In addition to Seattle they could easily do tag-on flights to Chicago, Dallas or Houston. This is just a start to what should ultimately become a daily year round service.

nname Oct 12, 2021 1:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9421051)
Considering 2 of the 4x weekly flights will be reserved for SIN O&D alone (from what I understand), this might explain the YVR/SEA combo. Neither have enough demand to SIN proper to justify a non stop. Both of them together, however, might work.

I believe if you meet the VTL requirement, you can take those flights for transit as well. Given that vaccination is already mandatory for boarding the flight from Canada, you'll just need a PCR test in order to book those flights.

Coldrsx Oct 12, 2021 1:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mapleleaf66 (Post 9421016)
I have talked to family members that have travelled to the US in recent weeks. All of them told me you do not need the more expensive PCR to enter. Get the antigen test at Shopper's Drug Mart for $40. You can also get it at the airport before you board but you might want to go a day or two ahead just in case. If you do opt for the PCR test it will also be accepted.

To come back you need the PCR test done no more than 72 hrs before. Not sure about Mexico City but PVR has a testing site at the airport open 24/7 no appointment needed. Cost is about $100 CDN. Results come back in less than 48 hrs.

:tup::cheers:

SpongeG Oct 12, 2021 3:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9420735)
Has anyone flown through the USA en route to another country of late?

I am YYC-DFW-MEX in 3 weeks and found some of the information inconsistent.

As I read it, it is a negative viral/rapid test 72hrs because I am passing through the US but nothing for Mexico there.

Return is a PCR to get back to Canada which the US will accept as well?


Last updated October 4, 2021 at 11:25am EDT.
All airline passengers to the United States ages two years and older must provide a negative COVID-19 viral test taken within three calendar days of travel. Alternatively, travelers to the U.S. may provide documentation from a licensed health care provider of having recovered from COVID-19 in the 90 days preceding travel.
https://ca.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information-canada-3/

the USA is changing their requirements in November, they will not accept mixed vaccines once these new regulations come in.

I've heard people have missed connecting flights because their test prior was two hours different to what was accepted, basically, it seems like if their flight was 11 am but the test limit expired at 9 am and they were denied boarding. So you gotta get the test timed right, have also heard resorts/hotels in Mexico will help arrange the testing for heading home, they help arrange when you check-in.

LO 044 Oct 12, 2021 7:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9420735)
Has anyone flown through the USA en route to another country of late?

I am YYC-DFW-MEX in 3 weeks and found some of the information inconsistent.

As I read it, it is a negative viral/rapid test 72hrs because I am passing through the US but nothing for Mexico there.

Return is a PCR to get back to Canada which the US will accept as well?


Last updated October 4, 2021 at 11:25am EDT.
All airline passengers to the United States ages two years and older must provide a negative COVID-19 viral test taken within three calendar days of travel. Alternatively, travelers to the U.S. may provide documentation from a licensed health care provider of having recovered from COVID-19 in the 90 days preceding travel.
https://ca.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information-canada-3/

I think this "Canadian" PCR test requirement is a killer for the Canadian airline industry. I have a Mexico trip booked in late January. While we're not flying via the US this time we still need that damned PCR test on the way back. Mexico doesn't require any test and i think we're fine getting on the plane down since the adults are vaccinated.

My resort is charging $100 USD per PCR test. We will cancel the trip if this rule is still in place. It's not worth me paying a $650 premium to take my family down there. Yeah we miss traveling but that is too hefty of a premium. Canada should adopt the viral rapid test that the US is accepting. A $150 premium is one thing but a $650 premium for a test, forget it.

The second trip is to Orlando in late March and all i can find so far is the PCR test at CVS for $139 USD per person so it is even worse at $870 premium.

I mean what percentage of Canadians or the Americans or "insert country name here" will need to be vaccinated in order to remove these PCR test requirements? This virus isn't going away anytime soon. The whole system is set up to be counter productive to traveling outside of Canada. Until Dollarama comes up with reasonably priced PCR test or the Canadian government changes it's requirement, the airline industry will continue to suffer.

LO 044 Oct 13, 2021 5:54 AM

As i write the above this is very encouraging.

Now will Canada do the same and remove the need for the expensive PCR test?

Quote:

If a traveller is fully vaccinated, there will be no requirement for them to show a negative COVID-19 test.

When the updated rules go into effect, the U.S. will also ease other travel restrictions for fully vaccinated travellers arriving by air.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/us-ca...open-1.6208838

thenoflyzone Oct 13, 2021 12:49 PM

^ about time!

casper Oct 13, 2021 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LO 044 (Post 9422285)
As i write the above this is very encouraging.

Now will Canada do the same and remove the need for the expensive PCR test?


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/us-ca...open-1.6208838

Yes, that would be ideal.

Innsertnamehere Oct 13, 2021 10:56 PM

Better yet, remove testing requirements for fully vaccinated individuals entirely.


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