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Atlanta, Orlando, Miami, and NYC (another team) will all have teams before anyone else. The only one that isn't for certain is Miami's since they don't have solid stadium plans yet. I have never seen Memphis mentioned in anything MLS related. Quote:
I think you're thinking about the ADA upgrades to the LBMS. The Coliseum didn't have any upgrades that I'm aware of, but yes, it will be torn down and replaced with a venue around the size of the Landers in Southaven (or w/e the name currently is). |
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Memphis is too small for a MLS team? Really? Metro Memphis is a 1 million populated area. There's no other MLS franchise near Memphis which would give them a much larger tv market. Gotta think big if you ever wanna be seen as big. |
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^Wrong, unless you're going strictly by city proper estimates, which generally no professional league does.
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Below is the current (or future) MLS markets with their MSA numbers in the first column and their CSA numbers in the 2nd (2013 estimates). I didn't add the Canadian teams. Memphis is added for comparison. As you can see Memphis is smaller than only 1 current market has a smaller MSA while all markets have a CSA with at least 1 million more people than the Memphis market. Also keep in mind many of these markets have a large Latino and/or Asian population as well. NYC 19.9 23.4 LA 13.1 18.3 CHI 9.5 9.9 DFW 6.8 7.2 HOU 6.3 6.5 PHL 6 7.1 DC 5.9 9.4 MIA 5.8 6.4 ATL 5.2 6.1 BOS 4.6 8 SEA 3.9 4.4 DEN 2.6 3.2 POR 2.3 3 ORL 2.2 2.9 KC 2 2.3 COL 1.9 2.3 SJ 1.9 8.4 SLC 1.1 2.3 MEM 1.3 1.3 |
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LV #41 MEM #49. Plus, having a team in Memphis could actually have an impact on the inner city's youth as soccer is becoming big in Memphis now with the UM. |
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Memphis' chances will improve if the MLS decides to expand further to 30-32 teams which is possible with the high demand for expansion teams across America. |
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That being said, the city could work with the MLS and owners to build a open-air stadium that could hold up to 50,000 for football and cover the upper deck with sheilders (not tarps) to make the stadium look more intimate and smaller for soccer crowds. Below is a rendering of the new Atlanta Falcons stadium concept for football and it's new MLS soccer team. Soccer http://archive.11alive.com/images/64...-stadium25.JPG Football http://prod.static.falcons.clubs.nfl...Stadium_CP.jpg |
New $62M student recreation and fitness center coming to University of Memphis
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Hate to interrupt the MLS conversation...but we've got some breaking news on 100 North Main...
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From a City standpoint, they would have a hard time convincing anyone that a new smaller stadium specific for an MLS team is a good idea. They would either have to build a stadium large enough for the Liberty Bowl and SHC (50,000 or a little more) with enough suites or build a smaller stadium (18-20,000) just for the MLS team and then focus on operating two stadiums. Quote:
STL has failed with two bids to get expansion teams. I don't know if they'll continue. |
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Most MLS stadiums cost around $60-100 million on average. A few have gone up to as much as $200 million in NY for Red Bull Arena which is an open-air stadium of 25,000 seats. Memphis doesn't need anything big. A simple 19,500-seat stadium would be perfect for a smaller market like Memphis. Real Salt Lake City's stadium only seats 20,213. Below is an image of the Real SL Stadium. http://www.laytonconstruction.com/Im...RioTinto_1.jpg http://www.levyrestaurants.com/image...nto_header.jpg Here's another stadium small enough for the size of Memphis. Pizza Hut Park in Firsco, TX seats 21,500. They held the D2 national championship football game there last year. http://www.fabritecstructures.com/im...ut-park-04.jpg http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/wp-con...a-hut-park.jpg Pizza Hut Park was built in 2005 for only $80 million. ($96 million in 2014 dollars) And that's in Dallas, Texas market, meaning a stadium of 19,500 could be built for much less in Memphis. Plus, it would add more restaurants and shops in downtown and create a second and more modern entertainment district to compliment Beale Street. It would be perfect as part of a redevelopment of the South Main district just south of the FedEx Forum where there would be plenty of room for parking and growth for future development, say a new convention center. It would also create new jobs and demand in downtown. Think BIG, Memphis! |
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Here's a blog article about a STL group trying to land a MLS franchise as of earlier this year. http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dai...usl_glavin.php Memphis needs to start up a support group of its own and get the ball rolling. No pun intended. P.S. if STL doesn't get a team, that opens the door for Memphis even more because there wouldn't be a nearby team outside of KC and Dallas. There's definitely a market for Memphis and MLS. |
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Once again you have to look at the population numbers. STL has a CSA of 2.9 with an MSA of 2.7 compared to Memphis' 1.3. That's a huge difference. A league isn't going to sacrifice roughly 1.5 million is population support to save a "regional" audience. |
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I seem to remember St. Louis and Nashville classified as "oversaturated." This same study suggested Memphis could feasibly support the Grizzlies, and additionally, an MLS franchise. MLS was the only additional major sports franchise Memphis could feasibly support. That being said, I can't find the study, but I'll keep my eyes peeled. Another thing to keep in mind regarding MLS and St. Louis, St. Louis is a traditional center of soccer in the United States. Everyone talks about "that time" when the United States was more of a power house in soccer in the early days, when they beat England 1-0 and came in 3rd at the World Cup. That national team was a largely St. Louis squad. |
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You have to remember another thing. Most of the visitors to Graceland and to Memphis come from overseas. That's where soccer is the #1 sport and having a team in Memphis would almost guarantee visitors attending the games while in town because of the love of the sport. The former NBA commissioner David Stern once said that the huge tourism of Graceland played a big role in the NBA's decision to move the team from Vancouver to Memphis. I'm just saying. |
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http://wagesofwins.com/2011/10/31/co...m-a-good-home/ For comparison, this study says that ATL can support an NHL franchise, while Winnipeg can't. I don't know if very many of you follow the NHL or not, but that in itself could tell how accurate this is. |
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But my argument would be this. Memphis has and supports the NBA Grizzlies with passion. But does not have competition with another pro sports team in the city to challenge for fan support and city dollars. Memphis Redbirds are minor league baseball and the UM basketball does not count. Those ticket prices are not of a pro sports team. MLS has the lowest ticket prices of any major league sport which is why Memphis, despite a limited budget already, could still support both the Grizzlies and a MLS team. Despite always being a football town, Memphis will never get an NFL franchise. That boat has unfortunately sailed and ain't coming back, thanks to Nashville. If they do, it'll be decades from now. And that would mean Nashville either loses its team or the NFL goes bunkers and expands to 40 teams. MLB wouldn't be able to make it in Memphis because of high ticket prices. Plus the city would have to commit to a near billion dollar baseball specific stadium. Besides, Memphis ain't a true baseball town. The NHL won't go to Memphis because, well, it's the whitest sport there is and Memphis ain't a white town. You have to know where your dollar is coming from. That leaves the MLS. A major sports league that is blowing up to new heights. If Memphis doesn't get a MLS franchise, then they will never see another pro sports team call the bluff city their home. And that's really sad considering how large Memphis really is. The big city that couldn't. |
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Also makes sense when looking at major league baseball in Milwaukee. On paper, a horrible idea. But, the team has a long history with the place and is well-ingrained in the local culture, so it works. |
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I agree with all of this, but I have a hard time understanding how from a cultural and traditional standpoint you think Memphis could and would support an MLS team. The novelty of it would carry the franchise for a few seasons (if the corporate sponsorship is there), but long term, unless they were competing every year it wouldn't happen. Hell look at the Grizzlies, we all know that Memphis is a basketball town and they had pathetic attendance for stretches until the ZBO and Big Spain emergence. Quote:
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The very same thing was said when the talks began about the Grizzlies moving to Memphis. Sure, it'll work for a few years then be an afterthought. But that has never been the case. The Grizzlies won over the community and is now becoming a potential contender.
This is what I meant about the mindset of Memphians. They do not look at the cup filled to the top. They only see it half empty. It's always been that way dating back more than a century. Being known as a big time city helps you grow economically. But Memphis doesn't because people would rather stay stuck in the past. That is why so many smaller markets are starting to surpass Memphis that never should. |
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This is an apples to oranges comparison if I've ever seen one. The Grizzlies were already an established franchise(not in success, but the pure fact they already existed). There was already a suitable venue in Memphis. There had been success with former professional franchises in Memphis. Memphis is a basketball town outside of youth and high school sports. The NBA is an established league with marketable stars so even if (when they did) the Grizzlies sucked, they still sold tickets. The venue(s) for the Grizzlies have been used for more than one particular event. Due to competition in the Memphis market, exactly what other event could escape the Forum's no compete clause that would be held at a new stadium rather than at an existing venue? Keep in mind when it's best to have outdoor events and when the MLS season takes place. I understand what you're saying about Memphis being stuck in the past, but the MLS isn't a way out. |
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Memphis Express anyone? |
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And to add to your last part. To clean up Memphis' problems will take new leadership at city hall, starting with cleaning house of the racists politicians like Henri Brooks and getting well creative minded professionals in there no matter their skin color and get over the race issues that have plagued Memphis for decades. |
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Memphis is as much of a football town as it is basketball. The problem is that much of that passion lies in college teams not named the Memphis Tigers.
I've written about my desire for a new enclosed stadium downtown as part of a convention center and while my enthusiasm for such a facility has not waned, I am well aware of the fiscal challenges that face Memphis and Shelby Co. My idea has always centered on the primary tenant being the University of Memphis but with the ability to be used as exhibit space, a larger basketball venue for elite 8 rounds, a new home to the Liberty Bowl adjacent to Memphis' entertainment district and iconic buildings and lastly for a concert venue that calls for a stadium setting from time to time like U2 or other larger acts. I once posted one of the Atlanta proposals that had the end zones move in toward the center of the field. I think a stadium that was two levels with a good amount of loge seating and suites between two main levels that holds 25,000 on the lower and 15,000 on the upper with the ability to have the upper hidden when not in use would be ideal. I know that the new Atlanta stadium has a basketball layout but not like the one I liked (they went for the catchy enclosing roof design) and it's going to host soccer as well. So I guess a stadium in Memphis could do so as well. Atlanta's field is supposed to be the newertype of synthetic surface with the rubber beads, so I guess MLS allows synthetic so that shouldn't be an issue. I could see it being another venue for the Memphis in May Music Fest, Though I loved the idea of a big headliner playing the Island either right before, during or after the fest like Eric Clapton did this year. I'll just throw the other pie in the skies out there once more while we are in conjecture mode. A Landry's Corp makeover for Mud Island like their Kemah Boardwalk and Galveston Pleasure Pier developments but with the added inclusion of a water park feature on the northern end. It's between two major interstates, one a north/south route and one a east/west route and the visibility would be incredible http://themeparkreview.com/forum/fil...58768135_n.jpg http://www.kemahboardwalk.com/flash/images/image_04.jpg A redo of Cook Convention along the lines of the Crown Plaza in Kansas City if a new convo center is built. Think of this as the family entertainment district and weekend getaway tourist center. Any of you been to Moody Gardens in Galveston? Three pyramids, one an aquarium, one a tropical rainforest and one a discovery center complete with an Imax and 4d theaters. I just said, why is this not in Memphis. http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/36714/moody_gardens.jpg I would love to see the campus get a stadium but I never see that happening. That neighborhood would wail and wail to high heaven. I have given up on it happening in the next 10 t0 15 years because of the money that's been put into Tiger Lane and other stadium improvements. No matter how much it shines, its a turd. It's just like War Memorial Stadium in LR that Arkansas used in that respect. Schools that should be Memphis' peers like TCU, Houston and so own know that stadiums over 50,000 is worthless for their schools, the size erodes seat prices. The Liberty Bowl's suites are nearly as close to the Moon as the field. |
Oh, I like the idea of a Hotel Indigo, hope that gets all lined out.
I understand the proposed Hard Rock Hotel would be adjacent to the Lansky building and that is the preferred location if it should happen but what if it was the hotel feature of One Beale? |
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I really hope Hotel Indigo will get a sign put on 100 North Main. To be honest I would rather have more Hotel rooms in 100 NM and less Apartments.
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^^^That's odd. I guess in theory he could have been in "talks" with InterContinental about them having a hotel within 100 N. Main and of course they're not going to say that they agreed to it have unless they've actually signed an agreement, and still it would be conditional to a certain extent. On the other hand, if he's lying, which I don't think he is necessarily, mentioning the specifics is pretty odd unless that 171 rooms is just a ball park figure.
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Had a friend from Olive Branch spend a week in Nashville at Gaylord, by day three they were bored to death. She was on the facepages asking for ideas. Memphis has a chance to become a solid family weekend get away if it is actually exploited and it has a solid zoo to start with. YOu could recreate mch of that Moody Gardens concept on Mud Island and turn it into a 365 day attraction. It could allow the Zoo a second campus to focus on things indoors like a better aquarium and aviary and allowing space for more outdoors exhibits at the main location. Imagine the Island's riverwalk decked out for Christmas with an ice rink at the old Memphis Belle pavilion. I don't want to hear any bitching about the weather cause I've seen massive crowds in the cold at SDC in Branson for their Christmas season when many of the rides do not operate below 40 degrees. Coming to Memphis on I 40, I haven't seen a single billboard telling folks that Memphis Zoo has Pandas, a true, rare asset for the zoo in a long time. How many families drive through Memphis without knowing that and planting a seed in their minds? |
There have been some really some great ideas coming up here on the forum in the last few days. As much as I would love to see every single one of the ideas implemented, I just can't see it happening with the current state of the city. Our city has such amazing potential, but it seems like some of the leaders aren't bringing the city to it's full potential.
First of all, Mud Island. There is SUCH great potential there, and it's only open for a few months out of the year. Keep it open all year round and really try to develop it. As mentioned before, add a ferris wheel, some rides, and try to really make it into something. Money could be charged for the rides and of course the monorail to the island. Secondly...the fairgrounds. Let's be real. I can't see it doing to well even with a revitalization. The whole area, especially to the immediate south, is very dilapidated and would require a major overhaul to really draw people in. Then comes the convention center. Memphis is in such a centralized location that we could really benefit from having a state-of-the-art location for conventions to be held and people from all over to come in. This would also give a boost to the airport and general tourism. I don't know if it was posted...but apparently they are going to spend something like $16 million (don't quote me) to revitalize the Raleigh Springs Mall of all things. I don't know who's idea it was...but it obviously wasn't thought through. Raleigh is also in a decline and has always seemed like more of a residential neighborhood compared to a shopping center destination. Hopefully a few smaller projects like mentioned above can give a monetary boost and help to fund even larger developments in the future. Memphis is in a great location, especially Downtown right between 55 and 40. We have a ton of potential and I really would love to see that potential demonstrated sooner rather than later. |
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A redevelopment of Mudd Island should be a big priority to the city for tourists and revenue stream. Take advantage of the Pyramid redevelopment while you can. Turn Mudd Island into a money making tourist attraction. Put a 30-story observation wheel on the island. Place a roof over the outdoor amphitheater. Maybe build an unique underwater aquarium. Of course all of this would cost a lot of public dollars, but in the long run the city would make more back. Memphis should really take advantage of its musical heritage more like Nashville and New Orleans has. Promote it and even develop thematic attractions to tie in with Graceland, Sun and Stax. The Memphis Music HOF will be a start. Also push to get the Grammy HOF Museum relocated to Memphis. The city should also take advantage of having arguably the top premier zoo in America that is getting bigger. But you are absolutely right about it becoming a week long tourist destination. For example: Monday-Civil Rights Museum Tuesday-Graceland Wednesday-Pyramid Bass Pro Shop attraction Thursday-Zoo Friday- Sun and Stax Saturday-Mudd Island There's just so much untapped potential in Memphis. If the people living there could just see it as outsiders do. |
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Atlanta has this development that's similar to the plan but includes some other aspects like a water park, retail and a once pitched tower coaster that has seemed to have been recently nixed called Lakepoint Sporting Community. Another is a recently proposed complex in Branson Mo. that takes an old, closed outlet mall and turns the most of the parking into little league replicas of famous MLB stadiums like Fenway and Wrigley. The mall buildings would be renovated to serve as team dorms, training centers like batting cages and seasonal retail and food outlets. They want nearly 200 days of tourneys every year. Couple of places to keep up with that kind of stuff is ballpark biz and ballpark digest. |
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