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whatnext Dec 6, 2021 6:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9468060)
A lot of their new routes don't seem particularly sustainable or profitable...

Yeah, about that. I had asked earlier how they could afford some of their moves. The Globe & Mail has some answers and also raise some questions. Sorry, whole article is subscriber only.

Flair Airlines is expanding rapidly, but internal discord and regulatory scrutiny raise questions about its ambitious growth
ERIC ATKINSTRANSPORTATION REPORTER
PUBLISHED YESTERDAY

...It’s a different picture at Flair Airlines, the tiny discount carrier based in Edmonton. On Jan. 27, Flair announced plans to lease and fly 13 Boeing 737 Max passenger jets. The bigger fleet would fly new routes to eight Canadian cities – 18 by the summer. “With this order, Flair is well on the way to achieving its ‘F50′ ambition of growing to 50 planes within five years,” said Flair, which at the time had just three 737s, two of which were essentially grounded by the pandemic.

The new planes would be leased from 777 Partners, the Miami-based private equity company that owns 25 per cent of Flair and is a major creditor to the airline, which bills itself as a low-cost alternative to its large rivals....

....Jocelyn Harris, Flair’s vice-president of finance until the end of 2020, said she advised chief executive officer Stephen Jones that the airline could not afford the expansion, given that it was almost completely shut down and could not pay its bills.

“I couldn’t comprehend it,” Ms. Harris said of the plan to lease planes from 777 Partners. “In the fall we were completely insolvent, and they were going to go and sign on these contracts for these planes.”

Ms. Harris, who has filed a wrongful dismissal and harassment lawsuit against Flair, alleged in a court filing and interview that 777 Partners was calling the shots at Flair. She said she warned executives that the control exerted by the U.S.-based company was a possible violation of Canadian laws. A foreign investor cannot hold more than 25 per cent of a Canadian airline’s shares, nor is it allowed to take charge of company decision-making, known by the regulator as “control in fact.”..

....In 2019, 777 Partners bought a 25-per-cent stake in Flair for an undisclosed amount. Flair, in a statement announcing the investment, said 777 Partners’ “financial strength” would help it grow and compete with Canada’s two dominant airlines.

The private equity investor does not disclose financial data. It made headlines in the sporting world in September with the purchase of Italy’s oldest professional soccer team, Genoa Cricket and Football Club, for a reported US$175-million. Its other investments include Synchrono Group Inc., a North Carolina-based insurance underwriter. Its aviation stakes include Air Black Box, a technology platform that allows a handful of Asian airlines to cross-sell seats...

....The 737s that 777 Partners will lease to Flair are among the 24 aircraft the private equity company is buying from Boeing. The deal includes an option to buy another 60 of the aircraft. Flair this month is flying nine 737 Max aircraft, five of which are leased from 777 Partners and four from an unrelated company, Ms. Kotak said.

Ms. Harris said Flair owed about $129-million to 777 Partners at the end of 2020. The loan came with 18-per-cent interest....(bold mine)

....Flair drew the attention of the regulator due to the nature of its financial arrangements with 777 Partners, Mr. Gradek said, leasing planes from the same part-owner and lender. “I think it was the fact that 777 Partners … was the entity that really wanted to deploy airplanes into Canada,” he said.

The Flair investigation appears to be at the initial stage of fact gathering to support a recommendation of action or dismissal. “And then it’s handed up to the [CTA] panel for them to do the adjudication and the formal issuance of CTA order, if one is required,” Mr. Gradek said....


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...ernal-discord/

Dominion301 Dec 7, 2021 11:55 PM

YHU-based charter airline Chrono Aviation have acquired the first B738SF in Canada. It'll be based at YWG: https://www.lesoleil.com/2021/12/07/...1fef275ce0d996

https://images.omerlocdn.com/resize?...stripmeta=true

Hali87 Dec 8, 2021 2:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9468932)
Pre-pandemic it was pulling in 350k annual pax. Apparently the NL government is supporting the route. You’d think though Ottawa-Deer Lake would make more sense than Kitchener, unless they think they can attract people from Hamilton, Niagara, London and Toronto itself bypassing YYZ-YDF flights for a cheaper flight? Time will tell whether or not this works.

My guess is that it's geared as much or more towards (cheap, because Flair) transfers onward to YYC and YEG as it is to local Ontario destinations. In theory they could have done this through Ottawa instead.

Didn't Newfoundland have some kind of ambitions re: cloud computing? Maybe it's a tech industry thing?

Dominion301 Dec 8, 2021 5:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hali87 (Post 9470862)
My guess is that it's geared as much or more towards (cheap, because Flair) transfers onward to YYC and YEG as it is to local Ontario destinations. In theory they could have done this through Ottawa instead.

Didn't Newfoundland have some kind of ambitions re: cloud computing? Maybe it's a tech industry thing?

The thing is though, there are now connections at Kitchener, and at least not yet, it's not a through flight.

If they wanted to connect the two tech capitals, they should launch Ottawa-Kitchener, but Pivot Airlines (aka the new Air Georgian) are about to do that already.

Dominion301 Dec 8, 2021 5:22 AM

AC to suspend YQY-YHZ 'indefinitely' after the holidays.

https://www.saltwire.com/cape-breton...ear-100664811/

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Air Canada has confirmed they will be suspending Sydney to Halifax flights from the JA Douglas McCurdy Sydney Airport as of Jan. 10, 2022, until further notice.

someone123 Dec 8, 2021 7:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9470924)
AC to suspend YQY-YHZ 'indefinitely' after the holidays.

This one was always on the chopping block. Cape Breton only has around 130,000 people in total and it's a 4 hour drive. The flight was sometimes expensive, $300 or more, while the bus is $60 and most people have cars. It was probably most useful for certain connecting flights.

But this is arguably one of those examples where if the region were a bit more developed it would maintain something like this route and people would be a bit better off. I believe there was passenger rail along this route until 1990 or so.

Denscity Dec 8, 2021 7:38 PM

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Originally Posted by someone123 (Post 9471510)
This one was always on the chopping block. Cape Breton only has around 130,000 people in total and it's a 4 hour drive. The flight was sometimes expensive, $300 or more, while the bus is $60 and most people have cars. It was probably most useful for certain connecting flights.

But this is arguably one of those examples where if the region were a bit more developed it would maintain something like this route and people would be a bit better off. I believe there was passenger rail along this route until 1990 or so.

I was gonna say that's like chopping flights from Vancouver to Victoria but there is a huge population difference.

JakeLRS Dec 8, 2021 8:01 PM

I think the Summer of 2022 will see an absurd amount of new routes pop up throughout Canada.

With Flair now getting about a dozen additional aircraft, I'd assume swoop will probably get a few more, and the introduction of Lynx and (hopefully for real this time) Jetlines, it's gonna be wild.

In Ontario, there are still several underserved airports. Windsor and London, ON both come to mind in terms of lack of air service. Sudbury and North Bay could also potentially have demand for a few flights.

There are several East Coast cities with a lack of air services such as St. Johns and Moncton.

On the West Coast, I think we'll finally see Kamloops, Fort St. John, Nanaimo, and Penticton get some sort of connections through Swoop or Flair.

We've seen flair expand into Grand Prairie, and recently Deer lake, so I wouldn't be shocked if they continue to pick up smaller airports.

But I think next summer will be the summer of the long-awaited ULCC showdown.

ned Dec 8, 2021 10:41 PM

Castlegar Required Navigation Performance (RNP) Update
 
It sounds like Castlegar is on track to implement a Required Navigation Performance (RNP) approach, something that they have been working on for multiple years. The Castlegar News reported that the City of Castlegar has submitted the GPS landing procedure to the regulator for approval recently. https://www.castlegarnews.com/news/c...-for-approval/ The minimum cloud ceiling for takeoff and landing could be lowered from 3,000 feet to 1,000 feet according to the airport master plan, greatly improving reliability in the winter where I believe some months have a success rate at around 50 percent. The airport has one of the most challenging instrument approaches in North America, coupled with frequent poor visibility in the winter months. Air Canada (Jazz) is already running Q400’s into Castlegar which are RNP compatible and I believe they are using RNP approaches at other airports. The City expects approvals will be granted in 2022 and will be ready for an airline by 2023. This is great news for citizens and tourists (many that would probably be interested in skiing Red Mountain or Whitewater), especially considering that it sounds like the winter highway conditions can often be challenging.

thenoflyzone Dec 9, 2021 1:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ned (Post 9471719)
It sounds like Castlegar is on track to implement a Required Navigation Performance (RNP) approach, something that they have been working on for multiple years. The Castlegar News reported that the City of Castlegar has submitted the GPS landing procedure to the regulator for approval recently. https://www.castlegarnews.com/news/c...-for-approval/ The minimum cloud ceiling for takeoff and landing could be lowered from 3,000 feet to 1,000 feet according to the airport master plan, greatly improving reliability in the winter where I believe some months have a success rate at around 50 percent. The airport has one of the most challenging instrument approaches in North America, coupled with frequent poor visibility in the winter months. Air Canada (Jazz) is already running Q400’s into Castlegar which are RNP compatible and I believe they are using RNP approaches at other airports. The City expects approvals will be granted in 2022 and will be ready for an airline by 2023. This is great news for citizens and tourists (many that would probably be interested in skiing Red Mountain or Whitewater), especially considering that it sounds like the winter highway conditions can often be challenging.

Transport Canada still needs to approve the procedure, and that's by no means a done deal. From my understanding, these RNP approaches would require exemptions from Transport Canada, as they don't meet standard criteria for approach design. (Something about the distance at which the plane lines up on final during the RNP approach that is too close to the runway).

This being said, with proper OPS SPEC restrictions and training, anything is possible. If A319s can land in Paro, Bhutan, while lining up with the runway only seconds before touchdown, then a similar RNP approach into CYCG should be doable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6PimS7dtW8

Denscity Dec 9, 2021 5:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ned (Post 9471719)
It sounds like Castlegar is on track to implement a Required Navigation Performance (RNP) approach, something that they have been working on for multiple years. The Castlegar News reported that the City of Castlegar has submitted the GPS landing procedure to the regulator for approval recently. https://www.castlegarnews.com/news/c...-for-approval/ The minimum cloud ceiling for takeoff and landing could be lowered from 3,000 feet to 1,000 feet according to the airport master plan, greatly improving reliability in the winter where I believe some months have a success rate at around 50 percent. The airport has one of the most challenging instrument approaches in North America, coupled with frequent poor visibility in the winter months. Air Canada (Jazz) is already running Q400’s into Castlegar which are RNP compatible and I believe they are using RNP approaches at other airports. The City expects approvals will be granted in 2022 and will be ready for an airline by 2023. This is great news for citizens and tourists (many that would probably be interested in skiing Red Mountain or Whitewater), especially considering that it sounds like the winter highway conditions can often be challenging.

Dude you from the 'gar? You're very first post is about my airport that's awesome!

Denscity Dec 9, 2021 6:00 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9471884)
Transport Canada still needs to approve the procedure, and that's by no means a done deal. From my understanding, these RNP approaches would require exemptions from Transport Canada, as they don't meet standard criteria for approach design. (Something about the distance at which the plane lines up on final during the RNP approach that is too close to the runway).

This being said, with proper OPS SPEC restrictions and training, anything is possible. If A319s can land in Paro, Bhutan, while lining up with the runway only seconds before touchdown, then a similar RNP approach into CYCG should be doable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6PimS7dtW8

Man he wasn't lined up till he was at just 50m above the runway!!

Dominion301 Dec 9, 2021 5:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 9471534)
I was gonna say that's like chopping flights from Vancouver to Victoria but there is a huge population difference.

That and there's also the body of water separating the two without a bridge. Land flying YVR-YYJ can be competitive with the Ferry, sea planes and Helijet if you're travelling from near YVR to near YYJ. But YYJ-YVR is still mostly connections. It's nothing like the Easter or Western triangles in 'normal' times.

casper Dec 9, 2021 5:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9472334)
That and there's also the body of water separating the two without a bridge. Land flying YVR-YYJ can be competitive with the Ferry, sea planes and Helijet if you're travelling from near YVR to near YYJ. But YYJ-YVR is still mostly connections. It's nothing like the Easter or Western triangles in 'normal' times.

The issue with YYJ-YVR is YWH-CXH. For the cost of a YYJ-YVR ticket and a ham sandwich you can get a ticket for YWH-CXH. Basically it does not cost much more to fly form Victoria Harbour to Vancouver Harbour by float plane or Helicopter. That sets up YYJ-YVR to be mostly about connecting traffic.

peytol Dec 9, 2021 7:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ned (Post 9471719)
It sounds like Castlegar is on track to implement a Required Navigation Performance (RNP) approach, something that they have been working on for multiple years. The Castlegar News reported that the City of Castlegar has submitted the GPS landing procedure to the regulator for approval recently. https://www.castlegarnews.com/news/c...-for-approval/ The minimum cloud ceiling for takeoff and landing could be lowered from 3,000 feet to 1,000 feet according to the airport master plan, greatly improving reliability in the winter where I believe some months have a success rate at around 50 percent. The airport has one of the most challenging instrument approaches in North America, coupled with frequent poor visibility in the winter months. Air Canada (Jazz) is already running Q400’s into Castlegar which are RNP compatible and I believe they are using RNP approaches at other airports. The City expects approvals will be granted in 2022 and will be ready for an airline by 2023. This is great news for citizens and tourists (many that would probably be interested in skiing Red Mountain or Whitewater), especially considering that it sounds like the winter highway conditions can often be challenging.


Currently Jazz does not fly RNP approaches, not sure if thats in the works or not. Encore and the Q400 are only certified for RNP .3 minimums, this approach would require RNP .1 no doubt. I believe that they are working on getting the Q certified for .1, but no idea how long away that could be.

Denscity Dec 9, 2021 8:32 PM

Wow and another brand new person discussing my airport.
Welcome

ned Dec 9, 2021 10:49 PM

The article https://www.castlegarnews.com/news/c...-for-approval/ has some interesting points that sound hopeful for the approval of the RNP procedure for Castlegar. Before, the City used uncertain language if RNP would be a reality (see https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ters-1.5001341). Now they sound more certain, saying they are expecting approval in 2022. The City hired GE/Naverus to complete the RNP procedures and to provide "co-ordination and direction with stakeholders at Nav Canada and Transport Canada". However, it would require exemptions (I believe similar RNP approaches have been approved in the United States) and I don't know what is going on behind the scenes. Denscity, do you have any information on the dialogue happening with the regulatory authorities and if that is looking positive? And no, I am not from Castlegar. I have found this subject interesting and wondered what it would take to get more ski tourists to the area. I have been following it the last couple of years and wanted to generate some discussion on the topic.

BenYOW Dec 9, 2021 11:46 PM

Some interesting news is coming out of Kingston Airport (CYGK). After losing their Air Canada services in 2020 and the brief stint of FlyGTA operating to Toronto, Pascan Aviation will be operating a new route to Montreal (CYUL) as of March 12, 2022. Flights will operate 3x daily Mon - Fri and 2x daily Sat - Sun on the Saab 340, with interlining provided on Air Canada and Air Transat tickets.

After the considerable investment that the City of Kingston made in upgrading their terminal building and extending Runway 01-19, I hope this service gains traction.

Source

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KINGSTON — A Quebec-based regional airline is to begin flying in and out of Kingston Airport early next year.

Pascan Aviation, one of the largest independent regional airlines in Eastern Canada, is to begin flying from Kingston three times a day (6:10 a.m., 11:30 a.m. and 6:30 p.m.) from Monday to Friday and twice a day (11:30 a.m. and 6:30 p.m.) on Saturday and Sunday, beginning in mid March.

The airline is to also offer connections with Air Canada and Air Transat flights.

The airline’s announcement comes almost a year since the city issued a call for airlines interested in serving the community.

“I’m thrilled to welcome Pascan to Kingston. Air service has been impacted across the globe as a result of the pandemic and Kingston was no exception,” Mayor Bryan Paterson said.

“Now is the time to build new partnerships and begin exploring new opportunities for air travel, and this partnership is the beginning of a new season for air travel. It will help our economic recovery efforts and will provide a fast and convenient travel link to and from the city.”

Pascan operates a fleet of six 33-seat SAAB340B+ aircraft and six 19-seat Jetstream32 aircraft and is to add the 50-seat SAAB2000 in the next year.

The airline currently serves destinations in Montreal (Saint-Hubert and Dorval), Quebec City, Bagotville, Mont-Joli, Bonaventure, Magdalen Island, Baie-Comeau, Sept-Iles, Gaspe and Wabush in Labrador.

Kingston is to be the airline’s first Ontario destination.

“Adding Kingston to our list of destinations is the most exciting thing we have done in years,” Julian Roberts, chief executive officer of Pascan, said.

“The market is here: people need options for travel, and we are very proud to become that option. With our interline agreements with Air Canada and Air Transat, we are proud to say we will be bringing Kingston to the world, and the world to Kingston.”

The airline has about 90 commercial flights per day and carries more than 8,000 passengers per month.

Kingston was among the communities to which Air Canada cut service last year as the national airline refocused on larger routes.

But the upheaval in the airline sector caused by the COVID-19 pandemic also created opportunities to find new partners to foster the city’s tourism and economic development goals, said Craig Desjardins, acting commissioner of corporate services.

“Being able to get to Montreal — Montreal is a beautiful city — but it is really the connectivity that going to Dorval has with the rest of the world,” Desjardins said. “The ultimate goal is to get people where they want to go.”

Montreal-Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport in Dorval offers almost the same number of domestic and international connecting flights as Pearson International Airport in Toronto does, but the Montreal airport has more capacity, which should reduce the cost and the number of cancelled or delayed flight to and from Kingston, he said.

“You can get to 95 per cent of the destinations out of Montreal as you can from Toronto,” he said.

“It’s a new orientation for Kingston passengers — we are so used to going west,” said Lakeside District Coun. Wayne Hill, chair of the city’s airport advisory committee.

“But this connection to Montreal provides air travellers from Kingston all the options that were available in Toronto: connections to the rest of Canada, access to all the major European, international and southern destinations.”

Denscity Dec 9, 2021 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ned (Post 9472628)
The article https://www.castlegarnews.com/news/c...-for-approval/ has some interesting points that sound hopeful for the approval of the RNP procedure for Castlegar. Before, the City used uncertain language if RNP would be a reality (see https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ters-1.5001341). Now they sound more certain, saying they are expecting approval in 2022. The City hired GE/Naverus to complete the RNP procedures and to provide "co-ordination and direction with stakeholders at Nav Canada and Transport Canada". However, it would require exemptions (I believe similar RNP approaches have been approved in the United States) and I don't know what is going on behind the scenes. Denscity, do you have any information on the dialogue happening with the regulatory authorities and if that is looking positive? And no, I am not from Castlegar. I have found this subject interesting and wondered what it would take to get more ski tourists to the area. I have been following it the last couple of years and wanted to generate some discussion on the topic.

I don't have any inside details but someone at the city did sis make it sounds like they have finally figured things out regarding our infamous landing issues. Was surprised to hear that they had hired a private company to map out the valley.

thenoflyzone Dec 9, 2021 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BenYOW (Post 9472672)
Some interesting news is coming out of Kingston Airport (CYGK). After losing their Air Canada services in 2020 and the brief stint of FlyGTA operating to Toronto, Pascan Aviation will be operating a new route to Montreal (CYUL) as of March 12, 2022. Flights will operate 3x daily Mon - Fri and 2x daily Sat - Sun on the Saab 340, with interlining provided on Air Canada and Air Transat tickets.

After the considerable investment that the City of Kingston made in upgrading their terminal building and extending Runway 01-19, I hope this service gains traction.

Source

Interesting development.

Air Creebec has a Dash-8 that does YUL-YGK-YMO and back several times a week. I don't know if they sell seats on YUL-YGK or not. I know the plane departs the GA section of YUL, not from the main passenger terminal.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/yn703

Dominion301 Dec 10, 2021 1:01 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9472682)
Interesting development.

Air Creebec has a Dash-8 that does YUL-YGK-YMO and back several times a week. I don't know if they sell seats on YUL-YGK or not. I know the plane departs the GA section of YUL, not from the main passenger terminal.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/yn703

That flight has been a regular charter for years, if not decades. It's never been available for purchase though. Looks like it currently flies 4x/week: https://www.airportia.com/flights/yn...ston/moosonee/. Strangely enough, YGK is now in Air Creebec's booking engine, but you can't book anything to/from YGK. Maybe that's a sign they plan on turning it into a scheduled flight post-pandemic.

I hope Pascan succeed with their first foray into Ontario. Maybe they'll look further west to Sarnia eventually - another ex-AC BEH & DH1 destination that lost all air service.

Dominion301 Dec 10, 2021 1:02 AM

The first 763 freighter has entered revenue service earlier than planned to help BC with the floods. I believe it's FIN 637. It's still in old colours with no titles, but the old tail decal is still intact.

https://vimeo.com/654280740

PR has an image as to what the 763s will look like once fully painted:
https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...824278727.html

peytol Dec 10, 2021 1:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 9472680)
I don't have any inside details but someone at the city did sis make it sounds like they have finally figured things out regarding our infamous landing issues. Was surprised to hear that they had hired a private company to map out the valley.

I also don't live in the area, but would love some better access for skiing.
They may be able to make an approach, but that doesn't mean anyone can fly it. Currently Q400s can't fly the rnp onto runway 34 in kelowna, which in comparison is a wide open valley.
Hopefully they have some solution, but the minimums will not be that low on an rnp that the dash can fly.

thenoflyzone Dec 10, 2021 9:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9472730)
That flight has been a regular charter for years, if not decades. It's never been available for purchase though. Looks like it currently flies 4x/week: https://www.airportia.com/flights/yn...ston/moosonee/. Strangely enough, YGK is now in Air Creebec's booking engine, but you can't book anything to/from YGK. Maybe that's a sign they plan on turning it into a scheduled flight post-pandemic.

Yeah, must be either a charter, or a ferry flight to get the plane to YMO for the YTS run and back.

On their website, neither YUL-YGK nor YGK-YMO are bookable. Only YMO-YTS.

https://www.aircreebec.ca/fly-with-us/flight-schedule/

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Originally Posted by peytol (Post 9472741)
I also don't live in the area, but would love some better access for skiing.
They may be able to make an approach, but that doesn't mean anyone can fly it. Currently Q400s can't fly the rnp onto runway 34 in kelowna, which in comparison is a wide open valley.
Hopefully they have some solution, but the minimums will not be that low on an rnp that the dash can fly.

Currently the main problem with YCG is not just the approach, but moreso the departure. The weather minimums (specifically cloud ceiling) to depart are even worse than to land. Which is why AC/Jazz often won't even bother sending in the Q400 if they know it won't be able to depart the airport. They dont want to leave a frame there for several days.

Arrival minimums based on the RNAV A approach. 3 miles, ~2750ft or 2870ft ceiling, depending on type of plane. Since it's a circling approach, i heard on another forum that Jazz adds a mile and 100ft to the procedure.
Departure minimums: 2 miles, 4500ft ceiling. The departure is basically a visual procedure that requires you to circle over the airport until reaching 6,100ft MSL before proceeding on course.

So designing a new RNP AR approach to land is all fine, but they will need a similar departure procedure as well. Or else you're back to square one.

Dominion301 Dec 10, 2021 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9472926)
Yeah, must be either a charter, or a ferry flight to get the plane to YMO for the YTS run and back.

On their website, neither YUL-YGK nor YGK-YMO are bookable. Only YMO-YTS.

https://www.aircreebec.ca/fly-with-us/flight-schedule/



Currently the main problem with YCG is not just the approach, but moreso the departure. The weather minimums (specifically cloud ceiling) to depart are even worse than to land. Which is why AC/Jazz often won't even bother sending in the Q400 if they know it won't be able to depart the airport. They dont want to leave a frame there for several days.

Arrival minimums based on the RNAV A approach. 3 miles, ~2750ft or 2870ft ceiling, depending on type of plane. Since it's a circling approach, i heard on another forum that Jazz adds a mile and 100ft to the procedure.
Departure minimums: 2 miles, 4500ft ceiling. The departure is basically a visual procedure that requires you to circle over the airport until reaching 6,100ft MSL before proceeding on course.

So designing a new RNP AR approach to land is all fine, but they will need a similar departure procedure as well. Or else you're back to square one.

YTS is a base for Air Creebec, so they have a couple of Dashes based there for the Ontario routes.

Djeffery Dec 10, 2021 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9472731)
The first 763 freighter has entered revenue service earlier than planned to help BC with the floods. I believe it's FIN 637. It's still in old colours with no titles, but the old tail decal is still intact.

https://vimeo.com/654280740

PR has an image as to what the 763s will look like once fully painted:
https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...824278727.html

Any idea how many freighters AC is planning to put in service? I wonder if they might be looking to compete with Cargojet on some courier contracts. I believe Canada Post and Purolator are entering the final year of the initial 7 year contract and will be going to 3 year options after 2022. I wonder if AC might be looking at a bid for 2025.

casper Dec 11, 2021 1:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Djeffery (Post 9473507)
Any idea how many freighters AC is planning to put in service? I wonder if they might be looking to compete with Cargojet on some courier contracts. I believe Canada Post and Purolator are entering the final year of the initial 7 year contract and will be going to 3 year options after 2022. I wonder if AC might be looking at a bid for 2025.

Sounds like it is 8 aircraft. The routes Air Canada have been talking about are mostly international. CargoJet does some international but mostly domestic.

If anyone is going to be competing with CargoJet I would guess WestJet cargo with their new 737 freighters they are buying.

thenoflyzone Dec 11, 2021 3:55 PM

Well, the longest sun route in AC's network started operating today. AC521 YUL-HNL. 10h48 min flight westbound. With AC's tight block times, combined with winter winds/de-icing, it will surely go beyond 11 hours on most days.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ac521

peytol Dec 11, 2021 4:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9472926)
Yeah, must be either a charter, or a ferry flight to get the plane to YMO for the YTS run and back.

On their website, neither YUL-YGK nor YGK-YMO are bookable. Only YMO-YTS.

https://www.aircreebec.ca/fly-with-us/flight-schedule/



Currently the main problem with YCG is not just the approach, but moreso the departure. The weather minimums (specifically cloud ceiling) to depart are even worse than to land. Which is why AC/Jazz often won't even bother sending in the Q400 if they know it won't be able to depart the airport. They dont want to leave a frame there for several days.

Arrival minimums based on the RNAV A approach. 3 miles, ~2750ft or 2870ft ceiling, depending on type of plane. Since it's a circling approach, i heard on another forum that Jazz adds a mile and 100ft to the procedure.
Departure minimums: 2 miles, 4500ft ceiling. The departure is basically a visual procedure that requires you to circle over the airport until reaching 6,100ft MSL before proceeding on course.

So designing a new RNP AR approach to land is all fine, but they will need a similar departure procedure as well. Or else you're back to square one.

Very true, RNP departures do exist but really no idea how that would work in YCG. I cant think of any NAV Can RNP departures. Should be interesting to see what they come up with.

hollywoodcory Dec 12, 2021 8:52 PM

WS updated its April schedule and the 787 delivery delays are finally showing with YYC-LGW getting axed from March 26-April 30th.

The 789 is still planned to fly in April:
YYC-LHR/CDG/OGG/CUN/PVR
YYZ-LGW/CUN
YVR-OGG

No other long-haul S22 changes have been made - yet.

LO 044 Dec 15, 2021 5:55 AM

"Canada to advise citizens against non-essential international travel due to Omicron variant"

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...iant-1.5707466

Not good news for the industry or any traveler hoping to escape in the near future.

1. I'm assuming this will be a travel advisory? So if you booked your trip prior to the announcement, does your travel and/or medical insurance cover you? I booked a flight for late January but I have medical insurance through work. I am curious what will happen in this situation as i'm sure others will as well.

2. Will AC, WS, TS etc. be "forced" by the government to provide free refunds as they did previously in this situation? And I don't mean credit or free changes, I mean refund to your original payment method.

JakeLRS Dec 15, 2021 4:34 PM

Flair expanding to 30 aircraft by 2023

Additional deliveries start next year.

Increased frequencies, increased expansion in Canada and the USA.

Toronto, Edmonton, Vancouver, Kitchener-Waterloo are top performers.

“ “We will feed the good performers,” said Jones, singling out Kitchener-Waterloo as a strong-performing market.

“We will be adding depth in terms of expanding the number of frequencies on existing routes,” said Chief Operating Officer Garth Lund. “On top of that, you’ll also see new destinations coming in. And that’ll be in Canada, but also expanding further in the U.S.”

Flair will create more than 1,000 new jobs when the aircraft are all in service, said Jones.

“We’ll be expanding in Toronto next year, we’ve seen very good demand there,” said Lund. He said Flair would also add aircraft to bases in Edmonton and Vancouver.”


https://westernaviationnews.com/flai...-aircraft/?amp

nname Dec 19, 2021 4:43 AM

AC's domestic/transborder/sun schedule change for S22

The following is max frequency during July... I only included the ones that are lower frequency...

YVR-YHZ 1x daily 7M8 (AC 362)
YYC-YHZ 2x daily 7M8 (AC 392/394)
YUL-YLW 1x daily 223

YYZ-ORD 1x daily 320, 7x daily E75
YHZ-YYT 3x daily 320 (from express)

YYZ-CUN 1x daily 788 (AC 930)
YVR-CUN 1x weekly 319 (AC 932)
YVR-PVR 1x weekly 319 (AC 970) --- I thought mainline A319 are all retired???

YVR-ORD 1x daily 320 (AC 1048, from express)
YYZ-IAD 1x daily 223, 2x daily E75 (AC 1076, from express)

YYZ-MIA 2x daily 223 (AC 1200/1204, from rouge)
YUL-MIA 2x daily 223 (AC 1206/1208, from rouge)

All widebody YYZ/YUL-LAX/SFO now run with 333.

Other Rouge changes:
New:
YQB-FLL/CUN
YYZ-POP
YUL-POP/SAN
YYC-YQB
YVR-YQB

Convert to Rouge:
YYZ-BDA/AUA/CUR/BGI (all from mainline)

Increase:
YUL-YYJ
YYZ-YYG/PUJ/CCC/SJO/PDX/YCD

Decrease:
YUL-VRA
YUZ-NAS/HAV/UVF

Cancel:
YYZ-HOG/SVD
YUL-SNU/ZSA

nname Dec 19, 2021 5:02 AM

From the schedule of AC Express, seems like they intend to operate daily YUL-YDF with E75 next summer. So all of a sudden, YDF becomes an insanely popular place? :D

Other express changes:

New:
YUL-YDF
YOW-YYG

Convert to Express
YYZ-IAH (mainline), YQT (rouge)

Increase:
YVR-YKA
YYC-YKA/YCD
YYZ-YQY/BOS/ORD/IND
YUL-ZBF/DCA

Decrease:
YEG-YWG
YVR-YZF
YUL-LGA
YOW-DCA

Cancellation:
YEG-YXE
YHZ-YQY/YYR
YUL-BDL
YOW-BOS

whatnext Dec 19, 2021 4:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9477133)
Flair expanding to 30 aircraft by 2023

Additional deliveries start next year.

Increased frequencies, increased expansion in Canada and the USA.

Toronto, Edmonton, Vancouver, Kitchener-Waterloo are top performers.

“ “We will feed the good performers,” said Jones, singling out Kitchener-Waterloo as a strong-performing market.

“We will be adding depth in terms of expanding the number of frequencies on existing routes,” said Chief Operating Officer Garth Lund. “On top of that, you’ll also see new destinations coming in. And that’ll be in Canada, but also expanding further in the U.S.”

Flair will create more than 1,000 new jobs when the aircraft are all in service, said Jones.

“We’ll be expanding in Toronto next year, we’ve seen very good demand there,” said Lund. He said Flair would also add aircraft to bases in Edmonton and Vancouver.”


https://westernaviationnews.com/flai...-aircraft/?amp

Jetsgo Part Deux.

hehehe Dec 19, 2021 6:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9481118)
From the schedule of AC Express, seems like they intend to operate daily YUL-YDF with E75 next summer. So all of a sudden, YDF becomes an insanely popular place? :D

Other express changes:

New:
YUL-YDF
YOW-YYG

Convert to Express
YYZ-IAH (mainline), YQT (rouge)

Increase:
YVR-YKA
YYC-YKA/YCD
YYZ-YQY/BOS/ORD/IND
YUL-ZBF/DCA

Decrease:
YEG-YWG
YVR-YZF
YUL-LGA
YOW-DCA

Cancellation:
YEG-YXE
YHZ-YQY/YYR
YUL-BDL
YOW-BOS

From YEG AC is axing YQR,YXE,YWG,YMM,YQU,YLW and YYJ. Seems only YZF and YYC are left on AC express as well as YEG-YOW/YUL/YVR.

hollywoodcory Dec 19, 2021 6:59 PM

Interesting that AC plans to use a 787 to Mexico in the summer, instead of say Europe? I guess they don't think it will be as busy as many other airlines are hinting at.

Also looks like the slot waiver for the EU has been extended to the end of S22, reducing from 80% to 64% usage.

https://www.eureporter.co/business/a...ines-extended/

nname Dec 19, 2021 8:05 PM

Air Canada applied for extra-bilateral authority to operate to New Delhi:
https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2021-185

Current bilateral agreement allows AC to operate up to 14x weekly to any single point in India (7x YYZ, 7x YVR)

Ex-bilateral was applied from Oct 15 to operate additional 6x weekly flight (3x YYZ, 3x YUL)

Now AC applied for another 8x weekly starting Dec 15. 1x weekly is already added to the YUL flight, so where would the other 7x weekly go?

Note that the extra frequency expires by the end of March, so the extra flights from YYZ and YUL next summer will need to approve first.

hollywoodcory Dec 19, 2021 8:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9481461)
Air Canada applied for extra-bilateral authority to operate to New Delhi:
https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2021-185

Current bilateral agreement allows AC to operate up to 14x weekly to any single point in India (7x YYZ, 7x YVR)

Ex-bilateral was applied from Oct 15 to operate additional 6x weekly flight (3x YYZ, 3x YUL)

Now AC applied for another 8x weekly starting Dec 15. 1x weekly is already added to the YUL flight, so where would the other 7x weekly go?

Note that the extra frequency expires by the end of March, so the extra flights from YYZ and YUL next summer will need to approve first.

YYZ increases to 14x weekly, and the others to YVR?

As much as I'd like to eventually see YYC-DEL, I'd say its pretty low on AC's radar.

Dominion301 Dec 20, 2021 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9481118)
From the schedule of AC Express, seems like they intend to operate daily YUL-YDF with E75 next summer. So all of a sudden, YDF becomes an insanely popular place? :D

Other express changes:

New:
YUL-YDF
YOW-YYG

Convert to Express
YYZ-IAH (mainline), YQT (rouge)

Increase:
YVR-YKA
YYC-YKA/YCD
YYZ-YQY/BOS/ORD/IND
YUL-ZBF/DCA

Decrease:
YEG-YWG
YVR-YZF
YUL-LGA
YOW-DCA

Cancellation:
YEG-YXE
YHZ-YQY/YYR
YUL-BDL
YOW-BOS

The two 'NEW' above are pre-pandemic reinstatements, but in the case of YOW-YYG it's on a DH4 for the first time 1x (summer 2019 saw 2x CRJ). Sucks that YOW-BOS is gone (calling on PD's future YOW hub ;)). YUL-BDL is not surprising with the Dash 8 classic's retirement.

YOW-DCA shifts a frequency to YUL and the remaining daily upguages from a CRJ to a CR9. What's a little bizarre is the remaining daily departs YOW at 2045. YOW's never had a transborder departure so late in the evening/ The return is a 0827 YOW arrival. So DCA pax can still do a same-day biz trip, but YOW pax will need to arrive the night beforehand. Hopefully these slot times won't cause the route to fail. It'll be decently timed for connections at YOW though.

thenoflyzone Dec 20, 2021 3:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9481461)
Air Canada applied for extra-bilateral authority to operate to New Delhi:
https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2021-185

Current bilateral agreement allows AC to operate up to 14x weekly to any single point in India (7x YYZ, 7x YVR)

Ex-bilateral was applied from Oct 15 to operate additional 6x weekly flight (3x YYZ, 3x YUL)

Now AC applied for another 8x weekly starting Dec 15. 1x weekly is already added to the YUL flight, so where would the other 7x weekly go?

Note that the extra frequency expires by the end of March, so the extra flights from YYZ and YUL next summer will need to approve first.

The way I'm reading it, it's only a total of 22x weekly frequencies to India, so 14+8. Not 14+6+8.

Therefore it's only a net gain of 2x weekly frequencies over the last extra-bilateral authority.

hehehe Dec 20, 2021 5:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9481474)
YYZ increases to 14x weekly, and the others to YVR?

As much as I'd like to eventually see YYC-DEL, I'd say its pretty low on AC's radar.

Do you think WS could eventually launch this? There seems to be a good opportunity to fly to India from the prairies.

hollywoodcory Dec 20, 2021 5:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9481957)
Do you think WS could eventually launch this? There seems to be a good opportunity to fly to India from the prairies.

I’d say WS would be the best airline to launch YYC-DEL, but it’s probably a few years down the road given they’d need a few more 787s.

whatnext Dec 20, 2021 7:56 PM

I wasn't even aware this was a thing. I had just assumed foreign aircrew already had to be vaxxed, like domestic counterparts:

Canada's vaccine mandate for foreign crews a headache for European airlines
December 17, 2021

Dec 17 (Reuters) - European airlines are walking an increasingly fine line to meet both foreign inoculation and local privacy requirements, as more countries require flight crews to be vaccinated against COVID-19, carriers say.

Canada is slated on Jan. 15 to end an exemption that allowed entry of unvaccinated foreign flight crews, joining others that have vaccine mandates for pilots and passengers alike.

That's creating a logistical headache for European carriers, who are unable to ask for their employees' vaccination status since they are bound to strict data protection laws in Europe, a spokesperson for the trade group Airlines For Europe (A4E) said.

"Carriers will need to find workarounds in order to comply with the Canadian entry requirement," A4E spokesperson Jennifer Janzen said by email....


https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...es-2021-12-17/

rbt Dec 20, 2021 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 9482144)
"Carriers will need to find workarounds in order to comply with the Canadian entry requirement," A4E spokesperson Jennifer Janzen said by email....[/I]


This seems like a silly thing to worry about. European Carriers just need to ask if the crew member is aware Canada requires vaccination for entry and of the consequences if they cannot provide proof. Let Canadian border control deny them, then apply consequences (immediate return flight at their own cost + 5 year ban from Canada + getting booted back to less pleasant regional routes?).


What happens with the immigrant flight attendant from Israel flying on an Israeli passport to Pakistan? Or any of the other situations where border control denies entry?

JakeLRS Dec 21, 2021 2:10 PM

Flair adds Chicago (ORD) and New York (JFK) to its lineup in the spring, both being serviced from Toronto (YYZ).

Calfan12 Dec 23, 2021 11:32 PM

LynxAir share a photo on Twitter of its 1st Boeing 737Max8 plane✈️ C-GJSL. @Lynx_Air delivery is expected sometime early 2022 to its hub in Calgary YYC Airport in Alberta & should be interesting routes it plans for it within Canada.

https://twitter.com/lynx_air/status/...510041618?s=21

Dominion301 Dec 24, 2021 5:31 PM

YXY's secondary runway is getting an extension next year so that it'll go from being general aviation capable to 737-capable: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...sion-1.6284785

Dominion301 Dec 24, 2021 5:44 PM

YOW's November Pax Stats

Sector / Nov-20 / Nov-21 / % Change
Dom: 31,742 / 143,880 / +353.3%
TB: 0 / 3,790 / #DIV/0!
Int'l: 0 / 3,642 / #DIV/0!
TTL: 31,742 / 151,312 / +376.7%

Sector / YTD 2020 / YTD 2021 / % Change
Dom: 987,373 / 978,052 / -0.9%
TB: 163,093 / 3,950 / -97.6%
Int'l: 168,382 / 3,642 / -97.8%
TTL: 1,318,848 / 985,644 / -25.3%

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2019
Dom: 910,578 / -77.2%
TB: 160 / -100.0%
Int'l: 0 / -100.0%
TTL: 910,738 / -82.2%

Month-Over-Month Change
Sector / Oct-21 / Nov-21 / % Change
Dom: 175,215 / 143,880 / -17.9%
TB: 160 / 3,790 / +2,268.8%
Int'l: 0 / 3,642 / #DIV/0!
TTL: 175,375 / 151,312 / -13.7% - traffic has now recovered to about 1978 pax levels
Avg/Day: 5,657 / 5,044 / -10.8%

thenoflyzone Dec 25, 2021 2:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9485909)
YXY's secondary runway is getting an extension next year so that it'll go from being general aviation capable to 737-capable: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...sion-1.6284785

They're extending the runway back to it's original length and maybe even width, although not sure about the latter. And more importantly, they are putting lights on the runway, as currently, the runway has no lights and is daytime use only. If you look at Google Earth, it's clearly evident that the runway in question was originally 390m longer, and also wider.


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