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Dominion301 Jul 17, 2021 1:52 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9342622)
Speaking of regional airport investments, looks like Trois-Rivieres (YRQ) and Ottawa-Gatineau (YND) are also getting funding. Almost $8 million between the two.

https://canadianaviationnews.wordpre...vity-and-jobs/

The money will help construct a new passenger terminal building in YRQ, and a new parallel taxiway in YND (The latter is much needed. I can attest to that, from my days controlling the airspace at Ottawa). YND is one of the busiest airports in Canada without an air traffic control tower service.

YND has a Flight Service Station as I recall?

I remember about a decade ago, Sunwing wanted to fly to YRQ, but couldn't due to a lack of proper terminal facilities. Maybe it'll happen with a new terminal.

thenoflyzone Jul 17, 2021 4:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9342663)
YND has a Flight Service Station as I recall?

I remember about a decade ago, Sunwing wanted to fly to YRQ, but couldn't due to a lack of proper terminal facilities. Maybe it'll happen with a new terminal.

Yes, YND has an FSS, and if you have a look at StatsCan’s numbers for FSS stations, YND (along with YYB) are consistently among the busiest in the country.

Dominion301 Jul 17, 2021 4:46 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9342725)
Yes, YND has an FSS, and if you have a look at StatsCan’s numbers for FSS stations, YND (along with YYB) are consistently among the busiest in the country.

Makes a lot of sense given it's the only other airport in the NCR capable of handling large biz jets. I've seen a couple of small biz jets at YRP/Carp over the years like Citation IIs.

hollywoodcory Jul 17, 2021 6:20 PM

Looks like FrenchBee (BF) has temporarily switched its fuel stop for ORY-PPT from YVR to YYC.

Nice to see a new foreign tail in town, even if for a short period of time.

thenoflyzone Jul 17, 2021 8:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9342790)
Looks like FrenchBee (BF) has temporarily switched its fuel stop for ORY-PPT from YVR to YYC.

Nice to see a new foreign tail in town, even if for a short period of time.

Spotters must be happy. Nice upgrade from WS/AC/KL.

hollywoodcory Jul 17, 2021 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9342868)
Spotters must be happy. Nice upgrade from WS/AC/KL.

It caused quite a stir yesterday. They also fly a 359 which we never get as well.

q12 Jul 19, 2021 5:59 PM

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...ravellers.html

Effective August 9, 2021, international flights carrying passengers will be permitted to land at the following five additional Canadian airports:

Halifax Stanfield International Airport;
Québec City Jean Lesage International Airport;
Ottawa Macdonald–Cartier International Airport;
Winnipeg James Armstrong Richardson International Airport; and
Edmonton International Airport.

hollywoodcory Jul 19, 2021 5:59 PM

BIG announcements today. Fully vaccinated Americans will be permitted in the country starting August 9th.

And YEG, YOW, YWG, YQB, and YHZ can accept international arrivals that same day.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...ug-9-1.5514869

nname Jul 19, 2021 6:38 PM

AC adding new transborder routes:
YVR-SNA, starting Oct 2021, up to daily 7M8
YUL-SAN, starting May 2022, up to 4x weekly Rouge 319

thenoflyzone Jul 19, 2021 7:01 PM

Government imposed hotel stay after arrival is also eliminated for everyone as of Aug 9.

The plan is for any citizen fully vaccinated to be able to enter Canada as of September 7.

jamincan Jul 19, 2021 7:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9344018)
And YEG, YOW, YYJ YWG, YQB, and YHZ can accept international arrivals that same day.

Slight mistake from what I read. Winnipeg instead of Victoria.

Coldrsx Jul 19, 2021 7:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9344018)
BIG announcements today. Fully vaccinated Americans will be permitted in the country starting August 9th.

And YEG, YOW, YYJ, YQB, and YHZ can accept international arrivals that same day.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...ug-9-1.5514869

Very positive news for many of us.:tup:

hollywoodcory Jul 19, 2021 7:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jamincan (Post 9344080)
Slight mistake from what I read. Winnipeg instead of Victoria.

Your correct, thanks. Not sure where I got Victoria from. My bad.

thenoflyzone Jul 19, 2021 7:29 PM

Wonder why they didn't include YYT and YYJ.

The only 2 other airports in the country that would likely receive US service if given the chance.

Dominion301 Jul 19, 2021 9:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9344106)
Wonder why they didn't include YYT and YYJ.

The only 2 other airports in the country that would likely receive US service if given the chance.

I also wonder why they didn’t include YTZ or is it because transborder was never truly banned?

hollywoodcory Jul 20, 2021 12:38 AM

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2021...-Two-Countries

AC wasted no time putting out a flashy press release that highlights a schedule that's been in place for weeks now. Nothing new here.

Also PHX still being the only US destination that AC will serve from YYC? Pretty wild we just might get more Transatlantic service from AC than Transborder in the coming months.

Curious who will be the first airline to restart flights from YEG/YOW/YWG or YHZ.

Dominion301 Jul 20, 2021 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9344397)
https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2021...-Two-Countries

AC wasted no time putting out a flashy press release that highlights a schedule that's been in place for weeks now. Nothing new here.

Also PHX still being the only US destination that AC will serve from YYC? Pretty wild we just might get more Transatlantic service from AC than Transborder in the coming months.

Curious who will be the first airline to restart flights from YEG/YOW/YWG or YHZ.

At YOW, UA is going to be the first, followed by Flair. AC will be back on transborder in mid-December at the latest with some Florida flying. Still waiting on WS to finalize that far out, while AA won’t be back until April 2022. DL suspended YOW “indefinitely”.

As for non-transborder international Sunwing will be first. Unlike YQB, YHZ & YEG, who knows when YOW will get back transatlantic service.

TheGreatestX Jul 20, 2021 5:41 AM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9344397)
https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2021...-Two-Countries
Curious who will be the first airline to restart flights from YEG/YOW/YWG or YHZ.

KLM is still scheduled to resume YEG in August, not sure if they actually will though.

Dominion301 Jul 20, 2021 1:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatestX (Post 9344625)
KLM is still scheduled to resume YEG in August, not sure if they actually will though.

TS is supposed to relaunch YQB-CDG 1x weekly on 10APR22.

hollywoodcory Jul 20, 2021 2:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatestX (Post 9344625)
KLM is still scheduled to resume YEG in August, not sure if they actually will though.

I think KLM will return, but question will be if it will stay as a triangle or they'll revert back to a non-stop in both directions.

Wonder if WS mainline may add back some YEG-US flying in September.

YWG will probably get DL back first.

Dominion301 Jul 22, 2021 2:42 PM

Hopefully the USA's 5th wave is over by September. They had over 56,500 cases yesterday. The 7 day moving average is up 350% there in the past month and rising fast!

casper Jul 22, 2021 3:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9344103)
Your correct, thanks. Not sure where I got Victoria from. My bad.

Regina and Saskatoon would be the two others.

hehehe Jul 22, 2021 4:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9347007)
Hopefully the USA's 5th wave is over by September. They had over 56,500 cases yesterday. The 7 day moving average is up 350% there in the past month and rising fast!

Looks like you were right! There was another wave :D

thenoflyzone Jul 22, 2021 7:00 PM

Have any US carriers announced service resumptions to either YOW, YQB, YEG, YWG or YHZ?

thenoflyzone Jul 22, 2021 7:50 PM

Flair should be announcing new Mexico service shortly, or have they already?

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/2021-a-17

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The applicant has applied to the Agency for a licence to operate an international air service on a scheduled basis between Canada and Mexico.
The applicant intends to commence operations in November 2021.

hollywoodcory Jul 22, 2021 9:07 PM

Looks like Condor re-added at least YYZ / YHZ for September-Early November. Not sure about YVR or YYC.

AA / UA both put out announcements regarding the news Americans can enter, but didn't really announce any additional flights, though someone mentioned UA possibly adding extra flights to YYZ and YVR (but not sure if true).

I also noticed DEN-YYC got upped to mainline in September too. (It's currently on a CR7).

JakeLRS Jul 22, 2021 9:58 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9347473)
Flair should be announcing new Mexico service shortly, or have they already?

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/2021-a-17

They haven't announced Mexico yet. I really wonder how much capacity the large airports have on Mexico routes already though...

YYZ already has Transat, Sunwing, Westjet, Swoop, and Air Canada with flights to Mexico.

I'd assume they would target smaller airports (similar to Sunwing) like Kitchener-Waterloo for Mexico routes. Time will tell.

Nonetheless, very exciting to see all this competition!

hollywoodcory Jul 22, 2021 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9347637)
They haven't announced Mexico yet. I really wonder how much capacity the large airports have on Mexico routes already though...

YYZ already has Transat, Sunwing, Westjet, Swoop, and Air Canada with flights to Mexico.

I'd assume they would target smaller airports (similar to Sunwing) like Kitchener-Waterloo for Mexico routes. Time will tell.

Nonetheless, very exciting to see all this competition!

Some of the big airports all have widebody service to Mexico this winter, on top of the various narrowbody flights.

AC has 77W's planned on YYZ-CUN and I believe YUL-CUN is a 333.
WS has 789s planned on YYZ-CUN & YYC-CUN/PVR

I don't think Sunwing has announced their plans for Western Canada yet? But that is already a lot of capacity on those routes.

hollywoodcory Jul 23, 2021 1:22 AM

Maybe 2nd times the charm? Sound like WS/DL are planning to re-submit their JV.

https://aviationweek.com/air-transpo...jv-application

thenoflyzone Jul 23, 2021 8:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9347808)
Maybe 2nd times the charm? Sound like WS/DL are planning to re-submit their JV.

https://aviationweek.com/air-transpo...jv-application

Good luck. With the Democrats in power, they will probably wish they had accepted the terms of their previous JV attempt.

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9347667)
Some of the big airports all have widebody service to Mexico this winter, on top of the various narrowbody flights.

AC has 77W's planned on YYZ-CUN and I believe YUL-CUN is a 333.
WS has 789s planned on YYZ-CUN & YYC-CUN/PVR

I don't think Sunwing has announced their plans for Western Canada yet? But that is already a lot of capacity on those routes.

It's still nothing compared to 2019.

whatnext Jul 23, 2021 10:48 PM

How YVR is going to be handling vaccinated vs unvaccinated travellers:

YVR arrivals terminal splits passengers by COVID-19 vaccination status
BY DENISE WONG AND BAILEY NICHOLSON
Posted Jul 23, 2021

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) – If you’re flying into YVR from outside of Canada, you’ll notice some separation inside the airport. There is now one line for passengers who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and another for unvaccinated travellers.

Robyn McVicker, vice president of Passenger Journey at YVR, says dividing passengers this way helps determine the next steps upon arrival.

“For vaccinated passengers, if they meet the criteria of having had a Canadian-approved vaccine, at least 14 days prior to travel, then they don’t have to do the two weeks of quarantine upon arrival into Canada. Additionally, there’s no longer a government-approved hotel that they have to stay at,” she explained.

If you aren’t fully vaccinated, you’ll need to set up 14-day quarantine plans with airport staff. People who only have one dose will be considered unvaccinated....


https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/07...cination-line/

Dominion301 Jul 24, 2021 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9347637)
They haven't announced Mexico yet. I really wonder how much capacity the large airports have on Mexico routes already though...

YYZ already has Transat, Sunwing, Westjet, Swoop, and Air Canada with flights to Mexico.

I'd assume they would target smaller airports (similar to Sunwing) like Kitchener-Waterloo for Mexico routes. Time will tell.

Nonetheless, very exciting to see all this competition!

I would imagine any Mexico announcements will somewhat mimic the transborder announcement. So yeah YKF, YOW almost certainly, which will have a good 35% less capacity than winter 2019-20, will feature prominently.

thenoflyzone Jul 24, 2021 1:34 PM

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/s...98369655459840

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Condor this week re-opened reservation for flights to Canada in summer 2021 season, including:

* Frankfurt – Toronto
eff 07SEP21 3 weekly

* Frankfurt – Halifax
eff 09SEP21 2 weekly

Service scheduled until early-November 2021

Dominion301 Jul 25, 2021 4:45 PM

A bit of jealousy coming out of Kelowna that YQB is authorized international flights, yet YLW isn't.

https://www.kelownadailycourier.ca/n...5e68e927e.html

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Kelowna-Lake Country Conservative MP Tracy Gray, whose riding includes YLW, said the federal government has not clearly explained why Quebec's airport can restart international flights while only domestic connections remain in the offing for Kelowna.

"The federal government's announcement did not explain the rationale for the airports they chose to resume international air service, nor what specific data or metrics they are using for their plans on adding additional airports," Gray said in an email.

"This is unfortunate, however, it's consistent with how we've seen this government operate," she said. "It's difficult for all our local organizations involved, ranging from the airport and their operations to car rental, shuttle, taxi services, and tourism operators, when there are continually no clear plans discussed."
It's easier to complain than to take 5 minutes to figure out that pre-pandemic, YQB easily handled 5 times the international pax traffic of YLW, including with transatlantic service.

Same complaints out of Saskatchewan: https://globalnews.ca/news/8047673/i...ewan-airports/

Again YQB's international pax counts are significantly higher than those two in 'normal' times.

hehehe Jul 25, 2021 9:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9349600)
A bit of jealousy coming out of Kelowna that YQB is authorized international flights, yet YLW isn't.

https://www.kelownadailycourier.ca/n...5e68e927e.html



It's easier to complain than to take 5 minutes to figure out that pre-pandemic, YQB easily handled 5 times the international pax traffic of YLW, including with transatlantic service.

Same complaints out of Saskatchewan: https://globalnews.ca/news/8047673/i...ewan-airports/

Again YQB's international pax counts are significantly higher than those two in 'normal' times.

I was thinking exactly the same. What does YLW even have, an Alaska flight to SEA and a couple of flights in the winter to the south? Saskatchewan has even less...
YQB has a CDG, ORD, and an EWR flight. That being said, hopefully the pandemic ends soon and other airports can accomodate international flights as well.

thenoflyzone Jul 25, 2021 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9349600)
A bit of jealousy coming out of Kelowna that YQB is authorized international flights, yet YLW isn't.

indeed. YLW might handle more overall passengers than YQB (2M vs 1.7M in 2019), but those passengers are pretty much all domestic in nature. YQB's international passenger count vastly surpasses that of YLW.

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Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9349799)
I was thinking exactly the same. What does YLW even have, an Alaska flight to SEA and a couple of flights in the winter to the south? Saskatchewan has even less...
YQB has a CDG, ORD, and an EWR flight. That being said, hopefully the pandemic ends soon and other airports can accomodate international flights as well.

YQB also had AA Eagle to PHL in 2019, and the numerous sun routes by TS, WG - and recently AC - as well. Wouldn't be surprised if DL eventually returns its long standing DTW-YQB service as well.

YLW, by comparison, is irrelevant on the international scene.

Dominion301 Jul 25, 2021 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9349799)
I was thinking exactly the same. What does YLW even have, an Alaska flight to SEA and a couple of flights in the winter to the south? Saskatchewan has even less...
YQB has a CDG, ORD, and an EWR flight. That being said, hopefully the pandemic ends soon and other airports can accomodate international flights as well.

YLW also has LAS and YQR & YXE I believe had PHX too with probably 2x as much sun flying as YLW each. However, all 3 airports combined wouldn't even equal YQB's non-domestic traffic.

Denscity Jul 25, 2021 11:12 PM

Love all the fire centre action every day at YCG. Great variety of planes including the Electra and lots of amazing helicopters.

hollywoodcory Jul 26, 2021 4:19 PM

https://news.delta.com/delta-doubles...s-us-travelers

DL has announced a 150% increase in flying to Canada in September, including the resumption of service to YWG.

On another note, I like how all of the big 3 US airlines used photos of Moraine Lake for their announcements. Travel Alberta really getting that exposure.

casper Jul 26, 2021 6:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9349867)
YLW also has LAS and YQR & YXE I believe had PHX too with probably 2x as much sun flying as YLW each. However, all 3 airports combined wouldn't even equal YQB's non-domestic traffic.

Until the pandemic YXE would also have twice daily service to MSP with Delta. The service started with Northwest decades ago. It would normally be a Embrear or larger CRJ with a First/Economy section during most of the year. However during hunting season would up upgraded to A320, or 757. WS had the LAS and PHX a few times a week. During the winter Airtransat and Sunwings would come in with flights to Mexico on 737 or A310.

YQR last Delta before the pandemic. However they had MSP going back years.

thenoflyzone Jul 26, 2021 7:37 PM

https://www.airport-technology.com/news/aci-europe/

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Airports Council International Europe (ACI Europe) has welcomed the European Commission’s (EC) decision to set the slot-use threshold at 50% for the upcoming winter 2021 season, calling it ‘pragmatic and proportionate’.

The non-profit organisation called the decision an important step in the restoration of slot usage rules as air traffic rebounds.

ACI Europe director general Olivier Jankovec said: “The aviation sector, having been brought to its knees by the pandemic, can and must now embrace and build upon the green shoots of recovery.

“And whilst a return to 2019 passenger levels remains a distant vision, our ‘new normal’ does increasingly come with growing levels of stability, thanks to vaccination, certification, and testing protocols.

“This means that a gradual return to slot usage rules, following much needed temporary relief in a time of crisis, is now appropriate.”

EC’s 50% slot usage threshold revises its previous temporary relief regulation.

However, Jankovec explained that the threshold set by the EC could even have been at a higher level.

He added that the agreed solution for W21 is a ‘solid first step’ with a further rise for the Summer 22 season and an expected return to the 80/20 usage rule in Winter 22.
Several airport, including LGW, aren’t too happy though. As it prevents competitors from entering the market on a permanent basis.

https://www.airport-technology.com/n...location-plan/

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The draft legislation will enable the operating air carriers to retain the rights to airport slots if it is returned for reallocation by 7 September 2021. They can again pick those in the next year.

Additionally, the carriers will be required to use only 50% of the slots that remain.

Coldrsx Jul 26, 2021 9:47 PM

'Delta is more than doubling the number of daily flights between the U.S. and Canada starting in September, eight to 19, resulting in a 150% increase in available seats. Customers will enjoy nonstop, easy access from multiple U.S. hubs to Canada’s largest business and leisure markets, including more flights to Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary and Montreal, as well as restarted service to Winnipeg. Toronto will see the largest increase, growing to 10 daily flights in September.'

https://news.delta.com/delta-doubles...s-us-travelers

YOWhopeful Jul 26, 2021 10:42 PM

I guess YOW no longer on Delta’s radar

Coldrsx Jul 26, 2021 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by YOWhopeful (Post 9350869)
I guess YOW no longer on Delta’s radar

Neither is YEG:shrug::(

hehehe Jul 27, 2021 1:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9350905)
Neither is YEG:shrug::(

It's a bit surprising that Alaska and United are the only ones left. I believe that at one point Alaska, United, Delta and American all flew to YEG. A shame

casper Jul 27, 2021 1:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9350784)
'Delta is more than doubling the number of daily flights between the U.S. and Canada starting in September, eight to 19, resulting in a 150% increase in available seats. Customers will enjoy nonstop, easy access from multiple U.S. hubs to Canada’s largest business and leisure markets, including more flights to Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary and Montreal, as well as restarted service to Winnipeg. Toronto will see the largest increase, growing to 10 daily flights in September.'

https://news.delta.com/delta-doubles...s-us-travelers

Surprising the focus on Toronto-LaGuardia especially given WestJet has slots their that it is going to have to start using fairly soon.

Disappointing destinations like YXE are not getting their Delta flights back so soon, however not unexpected. It is going to take time for those secondary markets to build back up. There is also the possibility as the Delta - WestJet partnership grows they may not re-enter those secondary market at all.

thewave46 Jul 27, 2021 9:06 AM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9351012)
Surprising the focus on Toronto-LaGuardia especially given WestJet has slots their that it is going to have to start using fairly soon.

Disappointing destinations like YXE are not getting their Delta flights back so soon, however not unexpected. It is going to take time for those secondary markets to build back up. There is also the possibility as the Delta - WestJet partnership grows they may not re-enter those secondary market at all.

This actually is a concern.

A number of US airlines are retiring their 50-seat CRJ200 fleets, or reducing them markedly. Why? They're too inefficient given the passenger loads they carry and they're not young planes anymore.

If the market can't support 76 seat aircraft - which would be CRJ700/900 or E175 sized - it's unlikely to get service back.

Delta's hubs aren't badly positioned for YOW and YEG service (DTW and MSP or SEA), but I'm wondering if the company wants Westjet to take care of their secondary and tertiary Canada flying, given that it probably has challenges ramping back up.

casper Jul 27, 2021 5:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9351161)
This actually is a concern.

A number of US airlines are retiring their 50-seat CRJ200 fleets, or reducing them markedly. Why? They're too inefficient given the passenger loads they carry and they're not young planes anymore.

If the market can't support 76 seat aircraft - which would be CRJ700/900 or E175 sized - it's unlikely to get service back.

Delta's hubs aren't badly positioned for YOW and YEG service (DTW and MSP or SEA), but I'm wondering if the company wants Westjet to take care of their secondary and tertiary Canada flying, given that it probably has challenges ramping back up.

There are some routes well suited to the Q400 especially on the coast. SEA-YVR and SEA-YYJ are two examples. WestJet Encore would be a better fit on these than anything Delta has access to.

The same for some of the DTW routes into Ontario. They pulled out of London some time ago, but that would be more well suited to a Q400.

Beyond that WestJet does not have small jets. The C-series would have been a great fit for WestJet but they chose to go 737 instead.

Dominion301 Jul 27, 2021 6:44 PM

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Originally Posted by YOWhopeful (Post 9350869)
I guess YOW no longer on Delta’s radar

Ditto YQB & YHZ.

Dominion301 Jul 27, 2021 6:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9351004)
It's a bit surprising that Alaska and United are the only ones left. I believe that at one point Alaska, United, Delta and American all flew to YEG. A shame

Same with YOW. Only UA and AA and committed to returning. I remember back when YOW had AA, UA, DL, US, CO & NW.


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