SkyscraperPage Forum

SkyscraperPage Forum (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/index.php)
-   Canada (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=18)
-   -   Canadian Airport Thread (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153826)

casper Apr 20, 2020 4:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 8897435)
YYJ (Victoria INT) and YLW (Kelowna) have posted their March passenger stats.

YYJ: down 50.5%

YLW: down 45.8%

Victoria YWH (Inner Harbour) would probably be down the same as YYJ - but will be about 0 for April as there are no flights to Vancouver or Seattle out of downtown this month.

So does that leave Helijet as the only downtown-downtown operation just now.

casper Apr 20, 2020 4:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpongeG (Post 8897709)
I thought overseas flights had been stopped? I saw a phillipine airlines plane land at YVR the other day.

International flights are still operating. The restrictions are on who is permitted to be on the aircraft. Basically people returning home essential travel.

Airboy Apr 20, 2020 4:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8898536)
EDIT: Those types of face covers are also acceptable.

https://www.skiesmag.com/press-relea...mes-mandatory/



If you show up at the airport without one, CATSA will be handing them out at security.

Being getting notices for the airlines I normally fly. Fist Air, AC with this new rule and procedures. Have some mask on order, but does not look like I will be flying anytime soon. Its also easier to drive.

That being said. Another reserve I have a project at just sent through new procedures.

(if you are not a band member and are coming to visit family, if it is not an emergency your are turned away.
If you are a contractor you will be issued a red permit to state your business and projected time on the FN.
If you are passing through you are issued a green pass to hand in at the exiting check point.
You are stopped going on to and off FN land. )

hollywoodcory Apr 20, 2020 4:59 PM

WestJet has suspended a number of domestic routes in addition to all international routes until June 4:

https://blog.westjet.com/westjet-upd...hrough-june-4/

Djeffery Apr 20, 2020 9:43 PM

The CEO of the London Ontario airport was on the radio today, talking about the masks and other issues. He mentioned that it's not policy that CATSA gives out masks. He said "It's the passenger's responsibility to bring one, but if they don't have one, and if we do, we will give them one, but like everyone else, supplies are hard to come by and it's not the airport's responsibility to give them out". Not that they should have an issue, as he said that instead of the usual 2500 or so passengers a day, we are down to one flight on WestJet, to Toronto, that quite often gets cancelled because of low loads, and when it does operate, usually has 15-20 people on it.

hollywoodcory Apr 21, 2020 7:38 PM

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2020...er-U-S-Flights

AC joins WS in completely suspending all Transborder flights from April 26-May 22. All flights now between Canada & the US will be on US Carriers now (just AA & DL).

whatnext Apr 21, 2020 8:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 8898851)
Being getting notices for the airlines I normally fly. Fist Air, AC with this new rule and procedures. Have some mask on order, but does not look like I will be flying anytime soon. Its also easier to drive.

That being said. Another reserve I have a project at just sent through new procedures.

(if you are not a band member and are coming to visit family, if it is not an emergency your are turned away.
If you are a contractor you will be issued a red permit to state your business and projected time on the FN.
If you are passing through you are issued a green pass to hand in at the exiting check point.
You are stopped going on to and off FN land. )

Fist Air?! :runaway:

Dominion301 Apr 21, 2020 8:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 8900270)
Fist Air?! :runaway:

LOL they punch above their weight. :haha: I'm guessing he meant First Air aka the new Canadian North.

craneSpotter Apr 21, 2020 8:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 8898838)
So does that leave Helijet as the only downtown-downtown operation just now.

Yes it does , although with a reduced schedule. HA has said it plans to resume Victoria DT - Vancouver DT flights on Apr 27.

Denscity Apr 22, 2020 10:12 PM

Westjet to lay off 3000 more people!!

craneSpotter Apr 23, 2020 3:52 PM

YVR finally released their February 2020 passenger stats - first month with significant impact from reduced Chinese flights (% yoy) :

Domestic: 900,229 (+2.2%)
Transborder: 462,686 (-3.8%)
Asia-Pacific: 259,172 (-23.7%)
Europe: 74,675 (+8.1%)
Misc INT: 121,182 (+17.9)

TOTAL: 1,817,944 (-2.9%)

(no need to comment that March+ are gonna be worse... ;) )

thenoflyzone Apr 23, 2020 6:54 PM

I was at work last night and was surprised to see Flair at YUL with 2 B738s. One of them has been doing daily runs to MEX and back the last few days.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/f8610
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/f8611

wave46 Apr 23, 2020 6:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8902293)
I was at work last night and was surprised to see Flair at YUL with 2 B738s. They've been doing almost daily runs to MEX and back the last few days.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/f8610
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/f8611

It begs the question 'Why?', especially with Flair.

thenoflyzone Apr 23, 2020 6:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 8902295)
It begs the question 'Why?', especially with Flair.

I should have asked the pilot. If i talk to them tonight, I'll ask.

My gut says they are charters to bring in field workers from Mexico. It's the time of year where agricultural companies need man power. Either that, or its Mexican repatriation flights.

p_xavier Apr 23, 2020 7:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8902300)
I should have asked the pilot. If i talk to them tonight, I'll ask.

My gut says they are charters to bring in field workers from Mexico. It's the time of year where agricultural companies need man power. Either that, or its Mexican repatriation flights.

My gut also. Are Airlines really expecting to ramp up flights in June? Seems that people won't travel much this year.

nname Apr 23, 2020 7:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8902293)
I was at work last night and was surprised to see Flair at YUL with 2 B738s. One of them has been doing daily runs to MEX and back the last few days.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/f8610
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/f8611

Another one did YUL-GUA for a few days.

thenoflyzone Apr 24, 2020 12:15 AM

Spoke to the pilot earlier. He confirmed that it's to pick up seasonal workers. They will fly them back to MEX in a few months.

Dominion301 Apr 24, 2020 6:59 PM

YFB had an interesting visitor come in yesterday - an ATI B757 Combi from BWI.

Quote:

Un avion commercial en direction du Groenland a dû être dérouté vers Iqaluit, au Nunavut, où il s’est posé jeudi en avant-midi.
In French: https://www.msn.com/fr-ca/actualites...ut/ar-BB136Ct3

Dominion301 Apr 24, 2020 7:16 PM

The first of the country's 'Big 8' airports has reported their March stats. YOW's March pax stats are about what I expected:

Sector / Mar-19 / Mar-20 / % Change
Dom: 317,336 / 168,752 / -46.8%
TB: 79,628 / 36,820 / -53.8%
Int'l: 65,995 / 34,977 / -47.0%
TTL: 462,959 / 240,549 / -48.0%

Sector / YTD 2019 / YTD 2020 / % Change
Dom: 867,350 / 737,831 / -14.9%
TB: 214,426 / 162,030 / -24.4%
Int'l: 189,431 / 168,382 / -11.1%
TTL: 1,271,207 / 1,068,243 / -16.0%

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2019
Dom: 3,864,034 / -3.5%
TB: 633,901 / -12.1%
Int'l: 405,588 / +4.6% - The fact that this is still positive just goes to show what a great year this was going to be for YOW
TTL: 4,903,523 / -4.06%

April is where we'll see the 95% drop! I put April's over/under total at 25,000.

hollywoodcory Apr 24, 2020 7:20 PM

Saw an AeroMexico 737 land at YYC this morning. Didn't go to a gate, so I'm going to assume for cargo purposes? It was nice to see a foreign tail again.

Next planned international flight is still May 24, but doubtful. Only 12x weekly flights to the US for most of May.

thenoflyzone Apr 24, 2020 7:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8903283)
Saw an AeroMexico 737 land at YYC this morning. Didn't go to a gate, so I'm going to assume for cargo purposes? It was nice to see a foreign tail again.

Next planned international flight is still May 24, but doubtful. Only 12x weekly flights to the US for most of May.

My guess is the pupose is the same as those Flair flights from YUL to MEX. Seasonal workers for farms.

Quote:

Originally Posted by p_xavier (Post 8902314)
My gut also. Are Airlines really expecting to ramp up flights in June? Seems that people won't travel much this year.


I highly doubt that's what they are expecting. The sheer number of layoffs and planes they are sending into long term storage are a clear sign that they know summer 2020 is a write off. They are simply updating the schedules a month at a time it seems.

hollywoodcory Apr 24, 2020 9:53 PM

WS appears to be starting cargo only flights with its 787s as 2 are currently operating YYC-DUB under flight #s WS9920 & 9926.

This is the most international action YYC has seen in weeks.

Nick Apr 24, 2020 10:13 PM

That Aeromexico did go to a gate. It was 75, which isn't very visible from most public areas.

hollywoodcory Apr 26, 2020 8:15 PM

The 2 WS 787s that flew to DUB on Friday flew DUB-YYC-ATL-YYC today. Crazy to think ATL got to see the WestJet dreamliners before even YVR did.

thenoflyzone Apr 27, 2020 12:36 PM

Hardly a shocker, but Eurowings confirming FRA-YYC is not going to happen this year.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-24apr20/

Wouldn't be surprised to see the only long haul route out of YYC this summer being WS to LGW.

Dominion301 Apr 27, 2020 4:03 PM

Porter a pushing back their restart an extra four weeks to June 29th: http://www.mastheadonline.com/cnw/?r...27&filter=5207

craneSpotter Apr 27, 2020 6:40 PM

Guangzhou – Vancouver

China Southern has scheduled the A380 to replace its 777-300ER from 28 APR to 27 MAY - once weekly service as mandated.

Not that many A380s flying right now.

Denscity Apr 27, 2020 7:33 PM

Ya!

lubicon Apr 27, 2020 7:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8904753)
The 2 WS 787s that flew to DUB on Friday flew DUB-YYC-ATL-YYC today. Crazy to think ATL got to see the WestJet dreamliners before even YVR did.

They actually flew DUB-YYZ-ATL-YYC

wave46 Apr 27, 2020 7:44 PM

I got bored and tired of the endless COVID-19 blather, so I got lost in Google Flights and decided to make itineraries flying across Canada on only Canadian-built aircraft. Free time is a wonderful thing :help:

Enjoy my insanity.

Flying Dash8 only
Day 1:
East to West:
YYT-YHZ
YHZ-YUL
YUL-YYZ
YYZ-YQT

Day 2:
YQT-YWG
YWG-YXE
YXE-YYC
YYC-YLW
YLW-YVR

West to East:
Day 1:
YVR-YLW
YLW-YYC
YYC-YXE

Day 2:
YXE-YWG
YWG-YQT
YQT-YYZ

Day 3:
YYZ-YUL
YUL-YHZ
YHZ-YYT

CRJ

Day 1:
East to West:
YYT-YUL
YUL-YOW
YOW-YWG
YWG-YVR

Day 1:
West to East:
YVR-YWG

Day 2:
YWG-YOW
YOW-YUL
YUL-YYT

hollywoodcory Apr 27, 2020 8:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8905122)
Hardly a shocker, but Eurowings confirming FRA-YYC is not going to happen this year.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-24apr20/

Wouldn't be surprised to see the only long haul route out of YYC this summer being WS to LGW.

AC FRA / KL AMS are likely to resume eventually too. Still surprised WS hasn't completely pulled its planned FCO yet.

BA LHR / AC LHR / WS CDG could go either way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 8905562)
They actually flew DUB-YYZ-ATL-YYC

Oops. :haha:
That is what I mean't.

Dominion301 Apr 28, 2020 1:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 8905510)
Guangzhou – Vancouver

China Southern has scheduled the A380 to replace its 777-300ER from 28 APR to 27 MAY - once weekly service as mandated.

Not that many A380s flying right now.

That's for sure. Here's an actively updated tracker of the world's 380 fleet: https://airinsight.com/a380s-grounde...hurts-traffic/. China Southern are currently the world's largest 380 (active) operator!

Djeffery Apr 28, 2020 9:15 PM

The world's largest plane, the Antonov 225, (6 engines, twin tail, originally built to carry the Soviet space shuttle) is supposed to be bringing a load of medical supplies from China on Thursday evening into Mirabel.

zahav Apr 28, 2020 10:10 PM

Apparently when China Southern landed at YVR this morning, it was the only A380 flying anywhere in the world at that time. Source is from the YVR Spotters Facebook group with data from Flight Radar.

thenoflyzone Apr 28, 2020 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djeffery (Post 8906752)
The world's largest plane, the Antonov 225, (6 engines, twin tail, originally built to carry the Soviet space shuttle) is supposed to be bringing a load of medical supplies from China on Thursday evening into Mirabel.

Well, I know what I'll be doing Thursday evening !

Denscity Apr 28, 2020 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8906819)
Apparently when China Southern landed at YVR this morning, it was the only A380 flying anywhere in the world at that time. Source is from the YVR Spotters Facebook group with data from Flight Radar.

Sick! Wish I was down on the coast to see that bird land and take off.

Djeffery Apr 29, 2020 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8906833)
Well, I know what I'll be doing Thursday evening !

I'll try to circle back on this thread if I hear any more details on timing. Saw a story linked on a spotters FB page about it. Nolinar has the contract, and obviously their 737-200 won't cut it lol, so they contracted with a Toronto company who has a connection with Antonov Airlines and the material has to be taken to a specific airport in China (not Shanghai where most of it comes out of) because it's the only one in the country certified for the AN-225 to use. Tianjin I think it was.

SpongeG Apr 29, 2020 7:52 AM

A380 at YVR

Video Link


Video Link

thenoflyzone Apr 29, 2020 1:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djeffery (Post 8906959)
I'll try to circle back on this thread if I hear any more details on timing. Saw a story linked on a spotters FB page about it. Nolinar has the contract, and obviously their 737-200 won't cut it lol, so they contracted with a Toronto company who has a connection with Antonov Airlines and the material has to be taken to a specific airport in China (not Shanghai where most of it comes out of) because it's the only one in the country certified for the AN-225 to use. Tianjin I think it was.

I've been tracking the plane on FR24. Yes, it's in Tianjin now. Flew in from Almaty. It will fly via ANC to YMX and arrive around 20h45 tomorrow night.

The A380 is a toy compared to the An-225. Incredible to think that the one plane built will most likely outlast the whole A380 program.

Link to a news piece about it. In french only.

https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/202...-rescousse.php

craneSpotter Apr 29, 2020 2:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8906204)
That's for sure. Here's an actively updated tracker of the world's 380 fleet: https://airinsight.com/a380s-grounde...hurts-traffic/. China Southern are currently the world's largest 380 (active) operator!

Thanks for the link.

I wonder if China Southern is just rotating the B777/A380 to keep both active. I'm also curious how many revenue passengers were aboard and if the cargo hold was full... It goes against ones expectations to see such a massive passenger aircraft used when traffic is down 90%!

craneSpotter Apr 29, 2020 2:10 PM

EVA Air recently updated their May flight intentions - for Canada:

Taipei – Toronto 1 weekly 777-300ER

Taipei– Vancouver 1 weekly 787-9 (777-300ER from 20MAY20)

wave46 Apr 29, 2020 2:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 8907293)
EVA Air recently updated their May flight intentions - for Canada:

Taipei – Toronto 1 weekly 777-300ER

Taipei– Vancouver 1 weekly 787-9 (777-300ER from 20MAY20)

I'm curious why they are even bothering, unless they're going for cargo runs.

I can't imagine forward bookings of travel even hint at a return to normalcy.

Alexcaban Apr 29, 2020 3:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 8907297)
I'm curious why they are even bothering, unless they're going for cargo runs.

I can't imagine forward bookings of travel even hint at a return to normalcy.

Not to mention what they do with the crews, do they layover for a week or deadhead right back.

Dominion301 Apr 29, 2020 3:24 PM

Buffalo Airways broke a King Air at YBB Kuugaruk yesterday: https://cabinradio.ca/35894/news/buf...everyone-safe/

https://i0.wp.com/cabinradio.ca/wp-c...20%2C405&ssl=1

Fortunately there were no injuries.

Airboy Apr 29, 2020 5:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8907358)
Buffalo Airways broke a King Air at YBB Kuugaruk yesterday: https://cabinradio.ca/35894/news/buf...everyone-safe/

https://i0.wp.com/cabinradio.ca/wp-c...20%2C405&ssl=1

Fortunately there were no injuries.

Thankfully everyone is alright.

Ken Boerek used to fly in there with a king air. no passengers so it was all cargo. I might have a video from the last time I flew out of there. Tough runway with hills on either side and Pelly bay at the other end.

LeftCoaster Apr 29, 2020 6:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8907251)

The A380 is a toy compared to the An-225.

Riiiight. The 225 has a max takeoff weight of 1.4 million lbs, the A380 is 1.3 million lbs.

The A380 is actually a more powerful aircraft, generating 1400kn of thrust to the mira's 1375.

But the 225 is flying to Montreal and the 380 to YVR, so I guess the 380 is a toy... :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 8907297)
I'm curious why they are even bothering, unless they're going for cargo runs.

I can't imagine forward bookings of travel even hint at a return to normalcy.

Well those frequencies hardly hint at normalcy. There are usually 31 flights per week from Canada to Taipei, there are now 2.

While travel has dropped to a trickle, that trickle does still need to move, so a flight a week is probably justified, especially with cargo in the belly.

Dominion301 Apr 29, 2020 6:11 PM

In keeping with the wipeout in traffic theme, YQB are reporting in this Radio-Canada (in French) article, that a 'good day' sees 30 departing pax. The average lately has been 10-20/day.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle...esage-covid-19

At least 3 TS 321s are parked at YQB.

https://images.radio-canada.ca/q_aut...ir-transat.JPG

esquire Apr 29, 2020 6:14 PM

^ Similarly, according to the Winnipeg Free Press, there were 72 passengers expected to depart YWG on Saturday, although no word on what the actuals were. In the Before Times, that was maybe like one flight to Thunder Bay or Saskatoon...

hollywoodcory Apr 29, 2020 8:42 PM

With Condor pushing both Alberta flights to the end of June, YEG now (as of today) has more international flights scheduled in May then YYC.

YEG:
KI KEF 4x weekly from May 15

YYC:
Nothing

This will of course wil likely changed as I believe the government is still limited overseas flights to the main four?

thenoflyzone Apr 29, 2020 9:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 8907546)
Riiiight. The 225 has a max takeoff weight of 1.4 million lbs, the A380 is 1.3 million lbs.

The A380 is actually a more powerful aircraft, generating 1400kn of thrust to the mira's 1375.

But the 225 is flying to Montreal and the 380 to YVR, so I guess the 380 is a toy...

lol.

I'm sorry. Can the A380 carry a space shuttle on its back? No. Can it carry almost 250 t of payload? No. Can it carry a 190t single piece generator in its belly? No.

Conversely, can the An-225 carry 800 passengers and bags if required. Yes. Granted, you might not have a seat or IFE, but it can be done.

So I say again. TOY.

But yes. You nailed it. This was always about Montreal vs. Vancouver. :uhh:


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:38 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.