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Crackertastik May 5, 2015 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 7015281)
I just can't get excited about ballpark village. What makes it better than any of the other highrises surrounding the ballpark? Is it really that much different than the Omni or the Hilton? I just think that site is a wasted opportunity with the current plan. I know San Diego is really conservative and afraid to take bold steps in architecture like SF is doing with their transbay transit center, but it would be nice if we could start pushing the envelope.

I came across these plans from Architectural Firm Rafael Vinoly that I think would have been way more iconic and dynamic than the current ballpark village plans:

http://www.rvapc.com/works/701-san-d...village-condos

http://www.rvapc.com/images-producti...701_tmp795.jpg

http://www.rvapc.com/images-producti...701_tmp796.jpg

I've always thought than in a city like SD that is restricted from making a dramatic iconic vertical statement due to the 500 ft height limit, we should have a project that makes a massive, bold horizontal statement. I think this would have done that and really been iconic when people would have seen this in shots from Petco park. The Ballpark Village tower they chose will not be memorable or iconic. It will fade into the background like the other towers.

A GIGANTIC missed opportunity imo.

I can't get behind this particular plan either. That isn't a horizontal statement like Transbay terminal at all. The CC is a horizontal statement and I think fails. It is a really tough concept to pull off, and the failure isn't an eyesore but rather a total walking off of areas. This concept you show is a huge 300 foot wall, destroying the sight lines for all of east village and anyone looking toward the Coronado bridge.

I like the general architecture but done much shorter. 10 stories max and it may look pretty interesting. I'd still cut view corridors through it though.

aerogt3 May 5, 2015 2:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 7015281)
I just can't get excited about ballpark village. What makes it better than any of the other highrises surrounding the ballpark? Is it really that much different than the Omni or the Hilton? I just think that site is a wasted opportunity with the current plan. I know San Diego is really conservative and afraid to take bold steps in architecture like SF is doing with their transbay transit center, but it would be nice if we could start pushing the envelope.

At the same time, it's these towers that come out "modern, groundbreaking, revolutionary," etc. that look absolutely hideous 20-30 years later whereas the run of the mill developments are neither eye catching nor an eyesore.

SDCAL May 5, 2015 3:01 PM

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Originally Posted by aerogt3 (Post 7015592)
At the same time, it's these towers that come out "modern, groundbreaking, revolutionary," etc. that look absolutely hideous 20-30 years later whereas the run of the mill developments are neither eye catching nor an eyesore.

And that's how San Diego remains a nice but mediocre city.

SDCAL May 5, 2015 3:25 PM

The true eyesore is what they are building. Not only has it already been dubbed "mullet top", the architecture is boring and reminds me more of a dorm tower you would expect to see at SDSU. Anyway, just my opinion, many seem to like it and obviously it's what is going up there so we'll see how "transformational" it really is for EV.

http://skyvillagerealty.com/real-est...nstruction.jpg

http://www.sddt.com/images/news/2013...-Village-2.jpg

Can someone explain what's so transformational and iconic about this project? I realize it's better than a parking lot, but if this was erected in UTC or in the college area it would be looked at as just another piece of bland architecture. It's not worthy of that site. The rendering I posted may not be perfect, I think things could be amended to address walking concerns, view corridors etc., but I think they were on the right path of doing something really dynamic and stepping more out of the box as opposed to the current plan that broke ground.

spoonman May 5, 2015 4:08 PM

I believe this project is a big deal is because it contains a good amount of retail (correct me if I'm wrong) and will help complete the area around the transit center, ballpark, and library. Moreso than the project itself, the development of this land connects Barrio Logan to East Village, the Convention Center and the rest of downtown. I imagine everyone already know this...I'm just saying that people are probably just excited about development on the site as opposed to how great the development is or isn't.

SDCAL May 5, 2015 5:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 7015680)
I believe this project is a big deal is because it contains a good amount of retail (correct me if I'm wrong) and will help complete the area around the transit center, ballpark, and library. Moreso than the project itself, the development of this land connects Barrio Logan to East Village, the Convention Center and the rest of downtown. I imagine everyone already know this...I'm just saying that people are probably just excited about development on the site as opposed to how great the development is or isn't.

As someone who actually lives in East Village, I can't really get excited about a building just because it's going to have retail and because it's going to fill a gap or cover up a parking lot. I want the projects to have more to them than just build it for the sake of building. Downtown San Diego has limited space and the more we let mediocre nondescript projects fill it up, the less room there is for something really innovative that could attract actual international recognition and business to the region. I think EV has the potential to not just be a nice neighborhood but be a world class destination, but not by settling with crap like this ballpark village plan. I'll stop now. Sorry for the negativity, it's just really frustrating to watch your neighborhood not live up to its potential.

The Flying Dutchman May 5, 2015 5:48 PM

Good news, everyone...

The 'Zephyr' towers are slated for groundbreaking by the end of the year.

http://www.sandiegometro.com/2015/05...rt-may-5-2015/

It's now called 'The Block' and it's located on Broadway, C, 7th and 8th Avenues. I like how it looks like one tower was built on top of another. This just goes to show that you can never trust the renderings.

http://www.sandiegometro.com/wp-cont...ng-850x636.jpg


Here's the old UT article in case anyone was wondering:
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/...n-development/

http://media.utsandiego.com/img/phot...8561935b88c24b

tyleraf May 5, 2015 6:41 PM

The Block looks amazing.Simple, yet elegant. It will be great for that part of Broadway and it will help accelerate the momentum that the area has already been gaining.

tyleraf May 5, 2015 6:42 PM

SDCal: Ballpark Village has been updated to lessen the mullet-look.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7662/...e67cb04e_z.jpg

JPAztec May 5, 2015 6:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 7015636)
The true eyesore is what they are building. Not only has it already been dubbed "mullet top", the architecture is boring and reminds me more of a dorm tower you would expect to see at SDSU. Anyway, just my opinion, many seem to like it and obviously it's what is going up there so we'll see how "transformational" it really is for EV.

http://skyvillagerealty.com/real-est...nstruction.jpg

http://www.sddt.com/images/news/2013...-Village-2.jpg

Can someone explain what's so transformational and iconic about this project? I realize it's better than a parking lot, but if this was erected in UTC or in the college area it would be looked at as just another piece of bland architecture. It's not worthy of that site. The rendering I posted may not be perfect, I think things could be amended to address walking concerns, view corridors etc., but I think they were on the right path of doing something really dynamic and stepping more out of the box as opposed to the current plan that broke ground.

If I'm not mistaken, the mullet top design has gone under significant changes and is more glass and sleek than the "SDSU" rendering that you speak of. I believe it's going to be a great project when it's all said and done, whereas the other massive wall of a building is just something to draw attention to the city. Problem is, it's ugly and the attention that it would draw is negative. Could BPV have been a little more daring? Absolutely. I still think it will end up being a quality project or the city and EV.

SDCAL May 5, 2015 7:49 PM

The mullet top was only part of the problem - I said it looks like a dorm tower because of the overall design. I also don't like the nondescript hodgepodge of smaller buildings surrounding it. This isn't an infill project like the one on Broadway which I like that proposal by the way. This is a huge expansive plot of land to be developed, and I stand by my opinion that it would have been better developed by an expansive unifying design instead of this ugly mish-mash of crap.

I just walked around the entire site on my lunchbreak today - and it only re-confirms my opinions of how disappointing this design is for that particular site. It is one of the rare expansive undeveloped areas downtown that could have been used for a really large, innovative, expansive design and it's being squandered on cookie-cutter mediocre sh*t.

The Flying Dutchman May 5, 2015 8:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 7016075)
The mullet top was only part of the problem - I said it looks like a dorm tower because of the overall design. I also don't like the nondescript hodgepodge of smaller buildings surrounding it. This isn't an infill project like the one on Broadway which I like that proposal by the way. This is a huge expansive plot of land to be developed, and I stand by my opinion that it would have been better developed by an expansive unifying design instead of this ugly mish-mash of crap.

I just walked around the entire site on my lunchbreak today - and it only re-confirms my opinions of how disappointing this design is for that particular site. It is one of the rare expansive undeveloped areas downtown that could have been used for a really large, innovative, expansive design and it's being squandered on cookie-cutter mediocre sh*t.

I hope we will be surprised by these new developments. I've been to a few design meetings and they seem to be trying to incorporate a greater sense of street-level interaction within and without. If a building can successfully be private and public simultaneously, then I'll be happy(er).

BTW, SDCAL, if you don't like BPV, then wait until you see the building being developed directly north of it:

https://b256ec319b64095c3d1d-e19f06f...13th-large.jpg

https://www.bisnow.com/san-diego/new...ontinues-43893

BPV doesn't look so bad now, huh? :yuck:

spoonman May 5, 2015 8:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Flying Dutchman (Post 7015858)
Good news, everyone...

The 'Zephyr' towers are slated for groundbreaking by the end of the year.

http://www.sandiegometro.com/2015/05...rt-may-5-2015/

It's now called 'The Block' and it's located on Broadway, C, 7th and 8th Avenues. I like how it looks like one tower was built on top of another. This just goes to show that you can never trust the renderings.

http://www.sandiegometro.com/wp-cont...ng-850x636.jpg


Here's the old UT article in case anyone was wondering:
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/...n-development/

http://media.utsandiego.com/img/phot...8561935b88c24b

41 and 18 floors. Will be great for that area.

Leo the Dog May 5, 2015 8:47 PM

I actually like BP Village.

What will make the East Village a world class neighborhood isn't montrosity mega block developments, but the smaller developments that fill the cracks between our mid-rise towers.

SDCAL May 5, 2015 9:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Flying Dutchman (Post 7016095)
I hope we will be surprised by these new developments. I've been to a few design meetings and they seem to be trying to incorporate a greater sense of street-level interaction within and without. If a building can successfully be private and public simultaneously, then I'll be happy(er).

BTW, SDCAL, if you don't like BPV, then wait until you see the building being developed directly north of it:

https://b256ec319b64095c3d1d-e19f06f...13th-large.jpg

https://www.bisnow.com/san-diego/new...ontinues-43893

BPV doesn't look so bad now, huh? :yuck:

I actually like this one. :tup:

This particular rendering isn't very good, but someone posted a link to the entire PDF of the design a few weeks back and I looked through it all and think this project will actually be a good addition.

My main problem with Ballpark V. is that it reminds me of an infill type project being wasted on a spot that would have been a great opportunity for something more cohesive. It just seems like a mish-mash of stuff that will blend in with a lot of the other buildings surrounding the east side of Petco Park.

Maybe my style is just different than many, or maybe I'm thinking too big for SD. I've also never been a large fan of the Navy Broadway Complex Design. That's another one that I feel is a wasted opportunity on a unique space that's crying out for something really unique and iconic. Am I asking too much for SD to try pushing the envelope with just ONE major project downtown?

The Flying Dutchman May 6, 2015 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 7016209)
Maybe my style is just different than many, or maybe I'm thinking too big for SD. I've also never been a large fan of the Navy Broadway Complex Design. That's another one that I feel is a wasted opportunity on a unique space that's crying out for something really unique and iconic. Am I asking too much for SD to try pushing the envelope with just ONE major project downtown?

Never. SD needs big thinkers now more than ever.

http://www.homeroutines.com/wp-conte...book_cover.jpg

From the movie 'What about Bob?' starring Bill Murray and Richard Dreyfuss. (Mr. Dreyfuss is a resident of San Diego, by the way!)

SDfan May 6, 2015 12:43 AM

Wow. We have been getting new high-rise announcements left and right these past couple weeks.

I like Bosa's project alright. The Block looks really clean, and very SF in design. I'm perplexed as to why they keep claiming it's the first post-recession residential high-rise project to go up downtown... as Bosa, Pinnacle, and JMI are all hastily buildings high-rise projects now. And LOL to their timeline. "Slated to break ground later this year" lololololololz. We haven't even seen this on the CivicSD docket, let alone the permitting committee.

I'm not in love with the height of the new Library tower, but the design is respectable. BPV is eh. I respect the architects for leaving the library's sight-lines to the bay (even though it means one tower, and a row of bleh mid-rises). I also give credit to the developers for upping the unit count; every bit counts!

I need to start gathering all of these proposals and mapping them out. Now that CCDC is gone, we don't have that cool interactive map anymore...

SDfan May 6, 2015 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tyleraf (Post 7014914)
I"ve found new info that points to an October groundbreaking for Lucia Nel Cielo at 16th and G in EV.

Explain.

The Flying Dutchman May 6, 2015 1:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SDfan (Post 7016503)
Now that CCDC is gone, we don't have that cool interactive map anymore...

You mean, Civic San Diego. Well, maybe, anyway.

tyleraf May 6, 2015 2:05 AM

SDfan: here is the developer's website. http://www.pre-form.com/flagship/


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