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TorontoDrew Dec 23, 2022 7:14 PM

Flights are still moving in and out of Pearson but only a small actually very small number. It looks like Billy Bishop is shut down. I would not want to land on that short runway today.

nname Dec 23, 2022 7:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manny_santos (Post 9823541)
Air Canada still has scheduled flights from Edmonton and Calgary to Vancouver and Toronto today that have not been cancelled. Flair also has some flights for today that are still active.

Looking at FlightRadar24, an Air Canada flight to Phoenix just took off from Vancouver, and an AC flight from Tokyo just landed a few minutes ago. There's also an AC flight from Kelowna to Vancouver that is in the air right now.

Looks like WS and WG cancelled all flights.
AC cancel some flights but still operate to most destination with much reduced frequency.
Flair and Lynx mostly operate as normal (with heavy delay of course).
Most US airlines and foreign airlines still operate as normal, some with additional service due to restrictions from past few days.

YYCguys Dec 23, 2022 7:39 PM

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Originally Posted by msmariner (Post 9823505)
It’s kinda of a misleading story. Is it only WestJet cancelling flights or the other airlines. I’m sure it’s all if them.

Indeed, the media is slaughtering Westjet, but Air Canada has also cancelled flights. I’m not sure how well or not each of them are handling reaccomodations, hotels, meals, communication, etc.

JakeLRS Dec 23, 2022 8:50 PM

Flair definitely capitalizing by picking up some of the stranded swoop/ws passengers. I’d rather be delayed by a few hours than have to figure out how I’m gonna make it home for Christmas.

Dominion301 Dec 24, 2022 3:18 AM

Half of the flights out of YOW were cancelled today. Almost everything to YTZ and all of WS.

thenoflyzone Dec 24, 2022 4:26 AM

^ YOW wasn’t that bad.

% of departures cancelled today at Canada’s airports:

YTZ 60%
YYJ 51%
YVR 44%
YYZ 35%
YQB 33%
YOW 29%
YUL 26%
YYC 19%
YEG 17%

There’s actually 5 US airports that have YTZ beat. They are CLE, PDX, SEA, BUF and GRR.

As far as airlines go,

AC and Jazz canceled 380 flights today (104/276 split)
WS and Encore canceled 325 flights. (198/127 split)

Mainline only, WS canceled significantly more flights than AC. All of this pales in comparison to Southwest, which canceled 1218 flights today.

Total cancelations within/to/from the US was 5,725.

Source: flightaware

Dominion301 Dec 24, 2022 2:47 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9823876)
^ YOW wasn’t that bad.

% of departures cancelled today at Canada’s airports:

YTZ 60%
YYJ 51%
YVR 44%
YYZ 35%
YQB 33%
YOW 29%
YUL 26%
YYC 19%
YEG 17%

There’s actually 5 US airports that have YTZ beat. They are CLE, PDX, SEA, BUF and GRR.

As far as airlines go,

AC and Jazz canceled 389 flights today (104/276 split)
WS and Encore canceled 325 flights. (198/127 split)

Mainline only, WS canceled significantly more flights than AC. All of this pales in comparison to Southwest, which canceled 1218 flights today.

Total cancelations within/to/from the US was 5,725.

Source: flightaware

I counted 32 cancellations on YOW’s FIDS. That was out of 70 departures or 45%.

Maybe the 29% includes everything scheduled including FBO and cargo? Maybe some arrivals made it in before the 1500 flash freeze and then didn’t make it out?

So far today the YOW FIDS are showing 17 cancellations out of 65 planned departures or 26% so far today up to 0955 14 cancellations, 10 departures & 5 pre-0955 departures delayed, including an 0600 WG departure delayed to 1725.

zahav Dec 24, 2022 3:45 PM

Ugh if it's not one thing it's another with airports... I do feel for those passengers (I know some personally who have insane cancellation stories) but I also hate seeing the carnage all these cancelled flights is having on airports. This is supposed to be the busiest time of year and a time when schedules really matter to everybody. Many people have a limited amount of vacation time per year, especially lining up when kids are off too. So that makes the week before Christmas so crucial for the industry, it's busy with domestic and international (us/sun). Even with no weather problems, we'd be seeing long queues and huge crowds at the airports, it's a crazy busy travel period. So add it cancellations and delays, and compounds even more than usual (ie. a random February day where the traffic is much less). And the bad press dragging airlines and airports... I know the people have a right to complain, so don't mean to undermine their experience, it's just personally sad for me to see the black eye this has given airports (in my case, YVR).

I just can't understand why this year is so much more messed up from weather than past years (again, speaking for my city Vancouver). I have lived here 38 years, and have a decent weather memory (ie. remember the years we had big storms, hot summers, etc.). And the snow we had on that Nov. 29th day, and recently, isn't totally crazy. It's a decent amount, and maybe more than some prepared for, but nothing THAT extreme. I know people joke about how unprepared we are here, but this year I just am at a loss for what's happening. I don't ever remember the airport cancellations being this much, like WS cancelling ALL flights?! My boss' wife has been stuck in Vancouver since Monday trying to get to Penticton, that's insane! The scale of cancellations just seems way more than in past weather events, even bad ones.

thenoflyzone Dec 24, 2022 4:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9823943)
I counted 32 cancellations on YOW’s FIDS. That was out of 70 departures or 45%.

Maybe the 29% includes everything scheduled including FBO and cargo?

Yes it does. Flightaware doesn’t differentiate between commercial, private or cargo.

Dominion301 Dec 24, 2022 6:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9823985)
Yes it does. Flightaware doesn’t differentiate between commercial, private or cargo.

Ah ok that’s the flightaware stats. Sked pax ops were close to half.

Taking another look at the YOW FIDS, the cancellation count for today is now up slightly to 18 with 12 delays, of which all but 3 are more than 2 hours.

whatnext Dec 24, 2022 7:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zahav (Post 9823960)
Ugh if it's not one thing it's another with airports... I do feel for those passengers (I know some personally who have insane cancellation stories) but I also hate seeing the carnage all these cancelled flights is having on airports. This is supposed to be the busiest time of year and a time when schedules really matter to everybody. Many people have a limited amount of vacation time per year, especially lining up when kids are off too. So that makes the week before Christmas so crucial for the industry, it's busy with domestic and international (us/sun). Even with no weather problems, we'd be seeing long queues and huge crowds at the airports, it's a crazy busy travel period. So add it cancellations and delays, and compounds even more than usual (ie. a random February day where the traffic is much less). And the bad press dragging airlines and airports... I know the people have a right to complain, so don't mean to undermine their experience, it's just personally sad for me to see the black eye this has given airports (in my case, YVR).

I just can't understand why this year is so much more messed up from weather than past years (again, speaking for my city Vancouver). I have lived here 38 years, and have a decent weather memory (ie. remember the years we had big storms, hot summers, etc.). And the snow we had on that Nov. 29th day, and recently, isn't totally crazy. It's a decent amount, and maybe more than some prepared for, but nothing THAT extreme. I know people joke about how unprepared we are here, but this year I just am at a loss for what's happening. I don't ever remember the airport cancellations being this much, like WS cancelling ALL flights?! My boss' wife has been stuck in Vancouver since Monday trying to get to Penticton, that's insane! The scale of cancellations just seems way more than in past weather events, even bad ones.

Partly the time of year. Lots of people travelling around Christmas especially after two Covid Christmases. Also Covid related, airlines have been short staffed on ground crew for several months. If you can’t bring the planes to the gate in good weather it’s going to be worse when bad weather hits, plus the staff is new without years of experience dealing with this stuff. Adding to that in YVR what staff there is had a hard time getting to the airport.

hehehe Dec 24, 2022 8:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 9824065)
Partly the time of year. Lots of people travelling around Christmas especially after two Covid Christmases. Also Covid related, airlines have been short staffed on ground crew for several months. If you can’t bring the planes to the gate in good weather it’s going to be worse when bad weather hits, plus the staff is new without years of experience dealing with this stuff. Adding to that in YVR what staff there is had a hard time getting to the airport.

You're right, I think a huge part of the problem is staffing shortages and lack of experience now that most staff are new after covid. I mean this summer was a nightmare without any snow.

Coldrsx Dec 25, 2022 4:24 AM

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Calfan12 Dec 25, 2022 4:56 AM

KLM NS23 INTERCONTINENTAL NETWORK ADJUSTMENT – 23DEC22

Amsterdam – Calgary eff 25MAR23 787-9 replaces A330-300, 1 daily (777-200ER operates 1 of 7 weekly from 02JUN23)

Amsterdam – Edmonton 26MAR23 – 27MAY23 Reduce from 4 to 3 weekly, A330-200

Amsterdam – Montreal eff 25MAR23 A330-200/-300 operates 5 weekly, instead of A330-200 (Previous: 1 daily)

Amsterdam – Toronto eff 26MAR23 Reduce from 12 to 11 weekly. 777-200ER/787-9 operating (777-200ER only from 28MAY23. Previous: 777-200ER/-300ER/787-10)

Amsterdam – Vancouver eff 26MAR23 2 of 7 weekly 777-200ER replaces previously filed -300ER (Originally filed as 777-200ER/787-10, moving to 787-10 only from 24MAY23)

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221224-klns23inc

YYCguys Dec 25, 2022 6:43 AM

Yikes! Those cabin crew hats are awful! :yuck:

JakeLRS Dec 27, 2022 5:43 PM

YKF (Kitchener/Waterloo) currently under parking strain. Lots of people went home for the holidays. I wonder if they’ll expand parking as flair boosts flight options next summer.

Calfan12 Dec 28, 2022 2:41 AM

ALASKA AIRLINES REVISES PORTLAND OR – VANCOUVER SERVICE IN NS23

Alaska Airlines earlier this month continues to revise planned service resumption on Portland OR – Vancouver route. Latest service resumption is now scheduled on 15JUN23 at earliest, while overall service will be reduced from 7 to 4 weekly until 05SEP23.

This route is operated by Skywest Airlines Embraer E175 aircraft.

AS3413 PDX1255 – 1408YVR E75 x236
AS3413 YVR1455 – 1610PDX E75 x236

Schedules on/after 06SEP23 remain pending, despite listing 1 daily flight. Between June and August 2023, the airline’s planned Canada operation includes the following, as of 25DEC22.

Portland – Vancouver 4 weekly
Seattle – Calgary 2 daily (Reduced from 3 daily)
Seattle – Edmonton 1 daily
Seattle – Kelowna 1 daily
Seattle – Vancouver 6 daily
Seattle – Victoria 2 daily

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221227-asns23ca

Calfan12 Dec 28, 2022 2:46 AM

DELTA INCREASES SEATTLE – VANCOUVER SERVICE IN 3Q23

Delta in the 3rd quarter of 2023 plans to increase Seattle – Vancouver service, returning to pre-pandemic level in 2019. From 10JUL23 to 04SEP23, the airline will operate 7 daily flights with Skywest Embraer E175 aircraft, instead of initially filed 6 daily.

DL3744 SEA0725 – 0832YVR E7W D
DL4062 SEA1131 – 1245YVR E7W D
DL3832 SEA1333 – 1439YVR E7W D
DL3808 SEA1515 – 1621YVR E7W D
DL3580 SEA1730 – 1838YVR E7W D
DL4058 SEA1955 – 2053YVR E7W D
DL3809 SEA2255 – 2356YVR E7W D

DL4477 YVR0645 – 0748SEA E7W D
DL3935 YVR0810 – 0923SEA E7W D
DL4155 YVR0920 – 1045SEA E7W D
DL4165 YVR1327 – 1437SEA E7W D
DL4083 YVR1524 – 1633SEA E7W D
DL4106 YVR1710 – 1818SEA E7W D
DL3580 YVR1925 – 2031SEA E7W D

On New York LaGuardia – Toronto route, the Skyteam member also plans to increase from up to 38 weekly to 43 weekly, in comparison to 2022, effective 26MAR23

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221227-dl3q23yvr

Calfan12 Dec 28, 2022 2:52 AM

UNITED NS23 CANADA OPERATIONS – 25DEC22

United earlier this month filed service changes to its Canada operation for Northern summer 2023 season, effective 26MAR23. The airline plans to restore service on selected routes, as the airline increases frequency on following routes.

Newark – Ottawa Increase from 2 to 3 daily
Newark – Toronto Increase from 5 to 9-10 daily

United’s other Canadian service in Northern summer 2023 season from 26MAR23 as follows. Operational frequency may vary during selected periods:
Chicago O’Hare – Calgary 13 weekly
Chicago O’Hare – Montreal 20 weekly
Chicago O’Hare – Ottawa 19 weekly
Chicago O’Hare – Toronto 38 weekly
Chicago O’Hare – Vancouver 2 daily
Denver – Calgary 3 daily
Denver – Edmonton 2 daily
Denver – Toronto 13 weekly
Denver – Vancouver 2 daily
Houston – Calgary 2 daily
Houston – Toronto 2 daily
Houston – Vancouver 1 daily (Service resumes 26MAR23)
Los Angeles – Vancouver 1 daily
Newark – Montreal 3 daily
Newark – Quebec City 2 daily
Newark – Vancouver 1 daily (Seasonal from 02JUN23 to 04SEP23)
San Francisco – Calgary 2 daily
San Francisco – Toronto 2 daily
San Francisco – Vancouver 4 daily
Washington Dulles – Montreal 3 daily
Washington Dulles – Ottawa 3 daily
Washington Dulles – Toronto 4 daily

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221227-uans23ca

whatnext Dec 28, 2022 4:31 AM

Sunwing's turn to get raked over the coals in the media. This time for stranding hundreds of passengers in Cancun for days. It's harder for the smaller carriers to recover from the storm related issues. You can't just redirect a plane to do a rescue flight.

Canadian Sunwing passengers stranded in Mexico for 5 days with ‘no communication’
By Sarah Smellie The Canadian Press
Posted December 27, 2022 12:57 pm

As hundreds of Canadians scramble to get home after their Sunwing flights from Mexico were cancelled last week, a passengers’ rights advocate says stranded travellers should consider legal action if they aren’t compensated by the airline.

As of Sunday, hundreds of Canadian travellers were stuck in Cancun, Mexico after Sunwing cancelled their flights home. Some described being shuffled from hotel to hotel, sometimes arriving to find there were no rooms booked for them, while Sunwing officials offered inaccurate and incomplete information about when they might get home.

Sheldon de Souza said in an interview Monday that a similar situation is playing out in Puerto Vallarta on Mexico’s west coast. He said he flew there with his wife, three kids and three family friends on Dec. 14, with a flight home scheduled with Sunwing on Dec. 21.....


https://globalnews.ca/news/9374506/s...randed-mexico/


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