Not really a fan of a park on a pier. There is a need for parking for the Midway and there's plenty of park space on the Embarcadero. Why would you block the view of the bay with trees? Anyway 5 years to redo this. Lets not rush into anything.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...3164314/?amp=1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fouymola...g&name=900x900

Love a park on a pier (just look at Pier 64 at Hudson River Park in NYC) and there's plenty of parking here included plus another pier that is all parking next door, so I'm not sure what you're worried about.

I don't really have to say that trees won't block the view of the bay do I? There's a big open green space called BAY VIEW GREEN. Plus you need shade trees in a park, especially one that's water adjacent. Mission Bay Park has a lots of palm trees but would benefit from more shade trees.

Hope this plan sticks. It's far and away better than a parking lot.

I'm glad to see the Navy Pier being developed into a park. There's nothing too special going on here though, design-wise, which I suppose works well considering the existing USS Midway would be the main focal point.

I know it's a park celebrating Navy heritage, but the name is pretty bland. Freedom Park sounds like it was designed for 2003 not 2023. With "Freedom Tree", "Freedom Walk", and "Words of Freedom" panel art, it's all very uninspired.

https://www.portofsandiego.org/sites...lan%20View.jpg

Doesn't look too bad. I understand the need for parking but I think it'd look better with an offsite garage. Right now, there's just too much surface parking and it feels very large and serves as a major physical and psychological barrier between the amphitheater section and the bay view green section.

San Diego relaxes restrictions on how close high density housing can be from mass transit.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...s-city-council

Hopefully this means more dense housing

"infill sprawl" lol. These NIMBY's are getting creative

While I somewhat agree, ADA means you need to provide handicap parking.

We'll also have to see how the green spaces work out. Designers always forget just how much dirt/irrigation/planter boxes weigh, it's usually the first thing that needs to be cut when things get to engineering. All those trees especially.

Actually, upon further examination, is the parking really needed? It seems like there's already several large lots at the B Street Pier to the north, Tuna Harbor Park to the south, and at Pacific/Broadway to the east. Not to mention the Santa Fe Train Depot and American Plaza Trolley Station are a short 5-10 minute walk away. I imagine the future IQHQ RaDD is also going to incorporate plenty of parking.

I can't imagine why they would spend so much money and effort to redevelop the pier only to plop down another surface parking lot right in the middle of the park. It just ruins the whole vibe. If you look at other similar pier/waterfront redevelopment plans around the country, you'd be hard pressed to find many, if any, that incorporates such blatant autocentricity into what should be a pedestrian only place. Honestly, the more I look at it, the more I view this as a swing and a miss. I hope they take this back to the drawing board.

Some non-downtown development updates, check out Impact Housing's work: https://ihousing.us/projects/

They just built a 5 story 34 unit project on Market Street in Stockton in 3 days. Their prefabrication, modular model is bringing costs down and building homes quicker. There are some bigger projects in the pipeline, including a 900 unit project in Barrio Logan.

It's going to take much more to dig San Diego out of its housing deficit, but I'm feeling more confident we can make a real dent with innovations like this.

I hadn't heard of that Barrio Logan project. It looks like it's on the giant vacant lot next to the Trolley maintenance yard and 12th & Imperial Transit Station. They are also working on a 324-unit project at 6440 El Cajon Blvd, though it doesn't appear to have started.

ADA law more or less mandates at least some parking be provided on the pier. You're not going to get away with telling all the old grandpas with their walkers to go park across the street.

It also looks like the museum needs truck access? They really went out of their way to ensure an eighteen wheeler can pull up right next to the ship.

Even if neither of those were true, there'd still be a ton of pressure to include parking. The B Street Pier doesn't allow access while a cruise ship is docked. IQHQ will undoubtedly charge a premium to park in their fancy underground lot. That only leaves Tuna Harbor, and with the level of traffic the Midway gets that might lead to a bit of a squeeze. Then you'll get complaints from visitors, maybe even have the Coastal Commission on your butt for "hindering public access".

All of which probably could be figured around, but the path of least resistance is just to provide parking. I wouldn't expect the Midway to be looking to generate controversy, so while the design might change that's the direction I'd expect them to go no matter what.

They have fenced off and possibly started to demo the ECB site, at least that's what google maps shows from Dec last year.

I also got my hands on an uptown/NP development map from a friend, and boy are there a lot of 8 story projects in the pipeline. It's going to be mid-rise city in the urban core, which makes sense given where rents are heading.

I agree. In 20 years they’ll probably be trying to get rid of the parking there like they did in front of the museum of art at balboa park.

I was exploring East Village via Google Streetview, and I saw this plot on the corner of 10th and Island was under construction. The construction wall had the architect's name and website, where I found some renderings. It looks to be a 9-story hotel project:

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...pg?format=750w

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...pg?format=750w

The architect, DBRDS, is from Australia, but they seem to design a lot of buildings in San Diego. Some of them I hadn't heard of (and may be stale proposals). But here's a sampling:

929 W Grape (Little Italy; corner of Pacific Highway across from Waterfront Park)
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...g?format=2500w

6th & Robinson in Hillcrest (seems unlikely):
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...g?format=2500w

Union & B. My favorite design, and is rendered to look like it's exactly 500 feet tall. Seems unlikely, but I would love more bold designs like this in SD:
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...g?format=2500w

Looks like the city has provided a new landing page for viewing what's proposed and under construction.

https://webmaps.sandiego.gov/portal/...34d7559e5a4d98


Site prep looks under way for Holland Partner's Front and A project. Parcel is fenced off and demo activity is taking place.

Thanks for sharing! I saw that they list Bosa's 8th and B tower at "Height: 40 stories; 503 feet"

Assuming that's a typo or :???:

San Diego plans to start construction on $27M railroad crossing at Park Boulevard near Petco Park this summer
BY JENNIFER VAN GROVE
FEB. 28, 2023 5:15 AM PT
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...rk-this-summer

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...2Fdji-0414.JPG

....Finally!! As someone who used to live in the southeastern quadrant of East Village, it's insane how difficult it is to access the waterfront by bike / scooter considering how close that neighborhood is.

I imagine this has got the Hilton hotel quite excited as well. I had family staying there last year, and the route you currently have to take to drive in is not exactly appealing to say the least.

One step closer to making that part of the water much easier to get to all around.

:cheers:

It probably has to open sooner than later because the Gaslamp is going forward with the promenade project that closes of 5th avenue.

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-...alking-dining/

Dude if I have no longer have to take Harbor Drive on a bike any longer, that would be a huge plus.

Almost got hit at like 40mph. :runaway: