Good stuff Andi and good photos! :)
I walked through Potsdamerplatz in 1991 when it was a wasteland, nothing there apart from a crane with people doing bungee jumping. I then walked fom Potsdamerplatz up to the Brandenburger Tor and it was also a wasteland apart from the Brandenburger Tor standing all on its own in no mans land! It's good to see Berlin, and these areas being rebuilt and a vibrancy returning to an area which was blighted by both the war and the Berlin wall! Potsdamer platz in 1993. Photo from the link below! http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...ng/index.shtml http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/40...600x600Q85.jpg |
yeah.. i still can remember what it looked like from far as i visited the packed Reichstag. so many cranes...
The area has been Europe's largest construction site back then. whatever. let´s go on with some more pictures... http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/1-47.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/2-42.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/3-36.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/4-31.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/5-29.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/6-25.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/7-23.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/8-19.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/9-14.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...i204/10-12.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...i204/11-11.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/12-7.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/13-8.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/14-7.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/15-6.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/16-4.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/17-5.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/18-4.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/19-3.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/20-2.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/21-1.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/22-1.jpg |
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Thanks for posting, I had a short trip there back in 2007 and I have good
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That's not true. Within the city limits Berlin has got about 3.5 Million inhabitants and Paris just like 2.5 Million, i think even less. Most people living in Paris are living in highly populous townships in the outside of the city limits.
If it would be true what you're trying to tell Berlin would have about 4.5 Million inhabitans, since the city has got larger towns in its suburbs. For example Potsdam belongs to the city are of Berlin but is situated outside the city limits so it does not count to Berlin's population. And you might be right in the fact that Berlin as we know today was founded in the 20s out of several towns but today it's one city. Thanks to our politicians we won't have this discussion anymore maybe when they are really going to combine the two federal states of Berlin and Brandenburg. Need some proves? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_d...%A4dte_Europas Btw you should read more carefully. I wrote: "With 3.5 million inhabitants within its city limits Berlin is the Germany's largest city by population and size and the 2nd largest city in the European Union." ... Within its city limits WITHIN |
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The word "city" in English is polysemic, maybe "Stadt" in German only means the administrative city proper, I don't know, but in English, besides the meaning of administrative city proper, the word "city" is often loosely used to refer to an urban area, no matter the exact location of the administrative city limits. Quote:
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Thanks for sharing these nice photos :tup:
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thanks grumpy ^^
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Neither me nor you define the borders of a city. It's upto the cities which areas they count to their population. And in that case Berlin is the 2nd largest city in the European Union. Using current data, of the ACTUAL Paris administrative minicipality, Athens and Madrid, using THEIR stated A.M size, Berlin is 2nd largest. That´s the official truth. We could discuss this for years without getting real results. I think that as long as the European Union does not increase the size of Paris, Athens, Madrid and so on you have to accept that city of Berlin is simply larger than Paris is, although more people do leave in the "Greater Paris" area than in "Greater Berlin" Btw I don´t want you to be angry or something. I don´t think that´s an argument, it´s a discussion. And we both shall be adult enough to discuss without being.. "touched".. whatever..^^ Btw²: The German word for City is "Großstadt", Town is "Stadt". And here in Germany only the areas within the city borders belong to the City/Großstadt. What you understand under "city" would be "Verdichtungsraum" or "Metropolregion" in German. |
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This population discussion is worthless. Yes, officially Berlin is the 2nd largest city in the EU but we all know that Paris is bigger. Officially, Frankfurt only has a population of 600,000 but it's metroregion is much bigger.
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Here´s a map of the Berlin-Brandenburg-Metropolitan Area
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...on_Berling.png Red: Berlin Central Business District Red+Pink: Berlin Districts Light Orange: Berlin Suburbs Orange: Potsdam Light Yellow: Rest of Brandenburg Red + Pink + Light Orange + Orange: Berlin-Brandenburg Metropolitan Area: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ion_Berlin.png And here's a map of the largest metropolitain areas in Germany http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...olregion-1.png source: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropo...in/Brandenburg |
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Great architecture! Very, very new.
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hey hey
after a very long break ( sorry ) i am back with new pictures of the west part of the area. here we go http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/1-52.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/2-46.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/3-40.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/4-35.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/91.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/04.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/5-32.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/6-28.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/7-26.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/8-22.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/9-17.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/92-2.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/93-2.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/94-1.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/95-1.jpg |
This will be the last update about the Potsdamer Platz.
The following pictures are mostly random of the whole area or the 3 towers forming the east end or simply pictures I have forgotten to post to one of the other updates. ^.~ http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/103.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/2-47.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/94-2.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/5-33.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/4-36.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/104.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/1-53.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/7-27.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/114.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/113.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/112.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/111.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/6-29.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/110.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/109.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/108.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/107.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/106.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/105.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/102.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/101.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/93-3.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/92-3.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/91-1.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/9-18.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/8-23.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/97-1.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/98-1.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/99.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/96-1.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...di204/95-2.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/100.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/andi204/115.jpg |
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