Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7547923)

Seems logical re: the competition angle. Will be interesting to see how it affects YYC. YYZ has so much O&D it will weather the storm, and YVR only loses two feeder flights, but YYC is very exposed, at a tough economic time. Wouldn't be shocked to see the flight go back to a 788 or 763.

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver (Post 7547906)

I wish WestJet would just hurry up and join OneWorld.

Originally Posted by Bigtime (Post 7548021)

LHR-YYC is still our strongest O&D market here in YYC I believe, so perhaps BA goes back to the 763 or sticks it out with the improved economics of the 788. We've seen the odd substitution to the 789 during the summer here as well.

Originally Posted by DrNest (Post 7548038)

WestJet have a strong tie with KLM and Delta airlines. I would more likely expect them to join SkyTeam than OneWorld if they do join an alliance.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie;7547949;

Hold on to your hats!! Wow just wow!

Overall up 11.0% up 225,722 to 2,270,986
Domestic up 7.2% up 73,179 to 1,094,929
Transborder up 9.7% up 49,776 to 563,597
Asia Pacific up 18.0% up 55,309 to 362,845
Europe up 19.3% up 35,421 to 219,169
Misc Int'l up 65.4% up 12,037 to 30,446

And note total YTD is now up 8.6% and OVER 1 million more pax than 2015!

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/docume...2016.pdf?la=en

Originally Posted by DrNest (Post 7548038)

WestJet have a strong tie with KLM and Delta airlines. I would more likely expect them to join SkyTeam than OneWorld if they do join an alliance.

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver (Post 7548273)

Quoted text link.

After digging in further, as in, reading more than the first 'overall' line, I'm realizing just how huge these gains are! Wow. YVR is chugging along into truly uncharted territory. Can't wait to see the new (updated) Airport Master Plan revealed later this year. With an ostensible passenger capacity ceiling of 25 million, YVR will need to stamp on the gas to get the new facilities built if this is shaping up to be a 22 million passenger year!


After looking through the summary table (link), what I'm always interested in is "total tonnes on runway" (weight of aircraft) vs "total growth" (enplaned and deplaned passengers) vs "total arrivals and departures" (aircraft):

Total Tonnes on Runway 1,810,528[Jul '16] 1,681,328[Jul '15] 7.7%[yoy change] 10,531,520 [YTD '16] 9,908,360[YTD '15] 6.3%[yoy change]

Total Pax 2,270,986[Jul '16] 2,045,264[Jul '15] 11.0%[yoy change] 12,746,077[YTD '16] 11,738,611[YTD '15] 8.6%[yoy change]

Total arrivals and departures 32,353[Jul '16] 32,113[Jul '15] 0.7%[yoy change] 185,439[YTD '16] 185,053[YTD '15] 0.2%[yoy change]

So, what does this tell us? It tells us that year over year the number of aircraft is flat (actually a touch positive) but the number of passengers went up substantially and the aircraft tonnage went up, too, but not in lock step with passenger numbers. Therefore, the increase in passengers came through higher load factors on existing aircraft (more people in the same type of aircraft) and the up-gauging to larger, higher capacity, heavier aircraft. Since there are some entirely new routes and new carriers, this further tells us that there has been some rationalization (cuts) by carriers of the number of flights and/or routes they offer, but they are also using larger aircraft.

I think that this is a neat trend to observe and it helps explain how YVR is able to keep up with such sustained growth without a commensurate increase in the number of gates or enduring uncharacteristic congestion for departure runway slots.




That's a good point. I rarely fly Delta and never fly KLM or Air France, so SkyTeam is honestly almost always off my radar. I know that it's growing steadily, but I still have it in my head that it's a Star Alliance-One World duopoly for airline alliances.

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7547803)

Anyone know what this is all about?


http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...-mid-oct-2016/

This is somewhat worrying for YYC, as obviously their Westjet hub helps feed the BA flight from the entire prairie region. I'm sure the O&D still has decent traffic, but this can't be a good thing.

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver (Post 7548273)

So, what does this tell us? It tells us that year over year the number of aircraft is flat (actually a touch positive) but the number of passengers went up substantially and the aircraft tonnage went up, too, but not in lock step with passenger numbers. Therefore, the increase in passengers came through higher load factors on existing aircraft

Originally Posted by DrNest (Post 7548038)

WestJet have a strong tie with KLM and Delta airlines. I would more likely expect them to join SkyTeam than OneWorld if they do join an alliance.

Originally Posted by DrNest (Post 7548712)

I'd also be interested to see if Virgin Atlantic join SkyTeam as well. They have a joint venture partnership with Delta that permits codeshare on KLM and Air France metal too.
Although Virgin are no longer flying into CYYZ and stopping the CYVR route over this winter, I could see them reintroducing these routes, particularly if WestJet were to join SkyTeam too.

Originally Posted by DrNest (Post 7548712)

I'd also be interested to see if Virgin Atlantic join SkyTeam as well. They have a joint venture partnership with Delta that permits codeshare on KLM and Air France metal too.
Although Virgin are no longer flying into CYYZ and stopping the CYVR route over this winter, I could see them reintroducing these routes, particularly if WestJet were to join SkyTeam too.

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7548575)

As long as the O&D is there, there is nothing to worry about. After all, BA fly to YUL as well and they dont codeshare on a single WS flight out of YUL (Mostly because there aren't that many to begin with ! )
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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7549124)

Virgin Atlantic stopped YVR at least a year ago, possibly 2 years ago now.

Doubt they would re-enter at this point, the route is just too competitive with BA, AC, AT and WS.

Originally Posted by Canadian74 (Post 7550156)

Does QR still operate DOH-YUL?

Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7550180)

yes it does! 3 weekly year round and it looks like Air CHina will increase PEK-YUL from 3 to 5 weekly beginning next year I believe.

Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7550180)

yes it does! 3 weekly year round and it looks like Air CHina will increase PEK-YUL from 3 to 5 weekly beginning next year I believe.

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7549194)

Cathay Pacific just announced they are increasing YVR service to 17x per week up from 14x and introducing Canada's first scheduled A350 service to fly the additional 3 frequencies.