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Originally Posted by UrbanImpact (Post 7341612)

I don't get what the difference is between mansions scattered all over the place or concentrated into one building? :shrug:

These buildings are visible from miles around and don't fit well into the fabric of the city.

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Originally Posted by BrownTown (Post 7342272)

These buildings are visible from miles around and don't fit well into the fabric of the city.

I hope you're joking, but in case you're not, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this forum, and there has been a lot of ridiculousness here.

It's the New York skyline we're talking about, with multiple skyscrapers visible from miles around. (Just so you know, that's not a New York phenomenon either). As far as fitting into the "fabric" of the city, I know not of what fabric you speak. But since we're talking about the Nordstrom (CP) tower here, what exaclty about a massive department store clustered in both new and older buildings, seemlessly connected to the city's streetwall and pedestrian landscape doesn't fit? If you're talking about expensive apartments above, well look around my friend. it's freakin Manhattan.

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http://www.seattlepi.com/business/ar...in-6824413.php

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Originally Posted by BrownTown (Post 7342272)

These buildings are visible from miles around and don't fit well into the fabric of the city.

Mansions would fit in horribly with the fabric of West 57th Street. Why would you put a suburban typology in the middle of the most urban part of the most urban city?

These supertalls fit in perfectly with the city fabric, amongst other supertalls.

Glad to see this thing really starting to 'take shape'. Obviously it has a way to go before it starts looking like a skyscraper, but at least now we can visualize the hole it is filling.

^ At the very least, there's not that big, open hole in the streetwall. And we can kind of visualize how the store fits in.

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 7345104)

^ And we can kind of visualize how the store fits in.

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^ ah ok i was wondering about that -- thx for the render i hadn't seen it before.

Is there a construction cam for this building?

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 7358624)

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Credit: Walpole

Pictures never do skyscrapers true justice :-)

Given that it's hard to appreciate the height without being there in person, how tall is this now?

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/201...ty-experts-say

Nordstrom Tower Plan May Be Keeping Midtown Storefronts Empty, Experts Say

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By Noah Hurowitz
March 3, 2016

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More than a dozen vacant storefronts line a six-block stretch of Broadway between Columbus Circle and Times Square in what some say is the result of property owners holding out for sky-high rents expected when the long-awaited Nordstrom Tower is completed.

There are 13 vacant storefronts along Broadway between 53rd and Central Park — some that have languished for more than two years — and another five empty storefronts on Seventh Avenue just one block west — DNAinfo has found.

Notably, nearly half of the neighborhood’s empty storefronts sit inside properties that Extell Development Company is developing as part of its three upcoming projects in the area.

Those projects include the Central Park Tower, also known as the Nordstrom Tower, a planned 1,550-foot high-rise at West 57th Street and Broadway that will have 199 condominium units and the eponymous department store on its first seven floors.

Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer said she's concerned that some landlords have opted to let their empty spaces remain empty in anticipation of possibly even higher rents when the Nordstrom department store moves in nearby.

“I can tell you absolutely that when you have a large store like Nordstrom coming, the owners nearby are holding out to see what could successfully compete,” she said.

But the effect it has on the neighborhood is a disaster, Brewer said, adding that if a landlord can afford it, there's nothing outsiders can do to stop them from keeping retail space empty for extended periods of time.

....Along with the Nordstrom Tower, Extell is also involved in a planned 61-story hotel-condo building at Broadway and West 54th Street, as well as a planned 29-story residential building at Seventh Avenue and West 54th Street, which is expected to bring hundreds of new residential units to the area.

Much has been made of the impact that the Nordstrom Tower could have on the area: One broker, Kelly Gedinsky, is already advertising rental space in 3 Columbus Circle on the corner of 57th Street and Broadway as “Across from Nordstrom.”

“I think [Nordstrom's arrival is] very exciting, and it’s going to drastically change pedestrian traffic in the area,” Gedinsky said. “People are going to flock to Nordstrom, and it’s going to elevate the whole area.”

The three projects will also bring hundreds of new residential units to the area, and with them a population boom. That means a demand for high-end retail to compete with Nordstrom, according to Andrew Mandell, a broker with the real-estate company RipCo.

“They’re building hundreds of apartments, and when you build that many apartments you’re adding to the population,” he said. “That’s going to add retail to that area, and all those people are going to congregate around there.”

Wait, so Gale Brewer is concerned about "empty storefronts" yet previously she was concerned about "full storefronts" (she previously successfully campaigned to shrink retail allowances on the Upper West Side and claimed there was too much retail and foot traffic in Manhattan).

How do you build new retail space without leaving the space temporarily empty? Pretty sure that violates the rules of physics. You can't have a store occupying a space that is u/c.

Gale Brewer is an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 7358979)

How do you build new retail space without leaving the space temporarily empty? Pretty sure that violates the rules of physics. You can't have a store occupying a space that is u/c.

Gale Brewer is an idiot.

Just something else for them to complain about. Of course, after the tower is built and open, and shoppers are flooding the area, with spillover into the surrounding blocks, they'll have been for it all along.

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 7358979)

Please see my profile picture.

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Originally Posted by Vortex11 (Post 7358686)

Pictures never do skyscrapers true justice :-)

Given that it's hard to appreciate the height without being there in person, how tall is this now?

Not very tall at the moment. Although 220 CPS is getting there. I do agree on pics not doing justice. Towers such as 5 Beekman look a lot better in person, and while pics can show the form of 10 HY, in person, you really get an appreciation for how massive and dominating which then foreshadows the monolith that is 30 HY. 432 is another one. Pics do show its simplistic nature, and how thin it is, but when standing right near it, its kinda big. Not to say bulky, but you realize that its not as pencil thin as many believe it to be.

One tower that's a must to visit is URL in JC. Viewing it from Lower Manhattan is no good, one must be right next to it. We often forget how tall some of these towers are because of the reference to other towers when viewing it from a far. Even WTC4 can look tiny through pics, and ones which show the whole skyline but on the ground level, we are ants compared to it.

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 7359237)

Do you think its pushing 100 feet yet in the core?

Also, I totally agree. 4WTC is 977 feet which is massive, but when you see it jammed pack with a ton of other skyscrapers it's extremely difficult to appreciate the height.

Ridiculous about the storefronts…if you want shopping, TWC is right down the block.

There is a solution that would make everybody happy- pick up the pace and finish the tower sooner :yes:

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