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thenoflyzone Apr 21, 2021 7:49 PM

B6 announcing JFK/BOS-YVR isn’t surprising. Both markets were underserved. What is surprising is such an early announcement for a summer 2022 start.

I guess the huge heads up is meant for the leisure crowd - cruise traffic - which have a tendency to book/plan well ahead of time.

CloudInspector Apr 21, 2021 7:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9256280)
Not just calling back all their pilots, but could start hiring again later this year. UA as well. The US airlines should see a significant recovery this summer,.

Last I heard was that they’re hiring 300 pilots this year and another 600 minimum next year.

zahav Apr 21, 2021 8:57 PM

JetBlue to YVR is a good addition for sure. AA used to have access to the YVR-NYC market thru OneWorld partner Cathay, but once those flights stopped, they lost the direct service. Now this partnership with JetBlue is a new opportunity. The BOS addition is really welcome.

Air Canada's EWR flight is entirely designed to connect with the Australia flights. I believe even though the flight numbers are different, it is the same plane that goes EWR-YVR-BNE and back.

thenoflyzone Apr 21, 2021 9:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexcaban (Post 9256099)
Pricing and yields would be a bloodbath on YYZ/YUL-FLL.
Pre-covid rouge was running up to 5 daily 767s on YUL-FLL, sometimes a 6th 319 flight during peak travel times.

I just can't see how they'd make profit, taxes, landing fees.

I could be wrong.

With the Rouge 767s gone, there might be an opportunity for B6 in the short-medium term to carve out a niche in the market.

This being said, the routes to florida are mostly Canada point of sale, which don't benefit B6. Also, even with no 767s, if B6 were to launch Canada-FLL, AC would be quick to respond, by dumping seats and low fares on the routes, with mainline widebody service no doubt. B6 wouldn't stand a chance.

In that sense, JFK-YVR/BOS, both underserved markets, and with higher US point of sale as well (with US originating cruise traffic), make more sense for B6.

The CSeries will be perfect for both these routes. What better aircraft to use on your first Canada run than a Canadian built aircraft !

DrNest Apr 21, 2021 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9256268)
New York to Vancouver makes a lot of sense especially if they do an early morning departure that arrives into Vancouver in time for the mid-day flights to Asia.

Pre-covid there was the Cathy Pacific 747/777 doing a late evening flight and the Air Canada 787 out of Newark that was timed to connect to flights to Australia and New Zeeland. I think Delta also had or was planning to have a seasonal flight on that route.

I have been on the Air Canada flight a few times and lots of Australian accents on that flight.

In summer there is also all the cruise ship traffic heading through Vancouver. JetBlue would be a recognized brand with that crowd out of the New York and Boston area.

Fair points, although I do wonder how many people not planning on at least a day or two's stop-over in Vancouver would want to take a flight on one airline if they're connecting onto a different airline that doesn't have a partnership/alliance with JetBlue? I know I wouldn't want to run that risk of missing my connection without the two airlines having ticketing agreements.

thenoflyzone Apr 22, 2021 1:38 AM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9256268)
New York to Vancouver makes a lot of sense especially if they do an early morning departure that arrives into Vancouver in time for the mid-day flights to Asia.

Why would a B6 flight to YVR connect with Asian flights? That doesn't make any sense. For one, B6 doesn't have any codeshare partners that fly from YVR to Asia. And even if they did, why would they specifically launch YVR to feed them?

These route are about O&D, not connections to Asia, or connections from JFK/BOS to elsewhere. Although the latter is more likely to happen.

Yes, the B6 flights to YVR will most likely be an early morning departure out of JFK/BOS, but not because of connections, but rather because it will fit in nicely with cruise ship schedules at Vancouver.

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9256268)
Pre-covid there was the Cathy Pacific 747/777 doing a late evening flight and the Air Canada 787 out of Newark that was timed to connect to flights to Australia and New Zeeland. I think Delta also had or was planning to have a seasonal flight on that route.

That is not the same thing. AC flying BOS/EWR-YVR to feed its own flights to Asia/Australia makes sense. B6 doing it to feed foreign carriers, especially ones it has no relationship with, doesn't.


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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9256268)
In summer there is also all the cruise ship traffic heading through Vancouver. JetBlue would be a recognized brand with that crowd out of the New York and Boston area.

Here i agree with you.

Coldrsx Apr 22, 2021 1:45 AM

Wasn't there a nearly executed HKG-YEG-JFK or ORD on Cathay about 2-3 years ago?

casper Apr 22, 2021 2:09 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9256772)
Why would a B6 flight to YVR connect with Asian flights? That doesn't make any sense. For one, B6 doesn't have any codeshare partners that fly from YVR to Asia. And even if they did, why would they specifically launch YVR to feed them?

These route are about O&D, not connections to Asia, or connections from JFK/BOS to elsewhere. Although the latter is more likely to happen.

Yes, the B6 flights to YVR will most likely be an early morning departure out of JFK/BOS, but not because of connections, but rather because it will fit in nicely with cruise ship schedules at Vancouver.

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That is not the same thing. AC flying BOS/EWR-YVR to feed its own flights to Asia/Australia makes sense. B6 doing it to feed foreign carriers, especially ones it has no relationship with, doesn't.
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Here i agree with you.

I made that statement before looking at who they have interline agreements. There list of interline is a dogs breakfast. AA, some European airlines and a weird mix of very small Caribbean airlines. Nothing in the Asia Pacific market.

I would have expected a good percentage to be local passengers and the connections to help fill any empty seats they may have. However without any reasonable interline partners that is not going to happen.

thenoflyzone Apr 22, 2021 4:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9256777)
Wasn't there a nearly executed HKG-YEG-JFK or ORD on Cathay about 2-3 years ago?

Define nearly executed. And I think it was more like 5-6 years ago.

AC YUL-BEY was nearly executed. Press release was issued, flights were bookable, 1 week was left to start date and then they pulled the route.

I don't think CX nearly executed anything out of YEG.

hollywoodcory Apr 22, 2021 4:41 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9256890)
Define nearly executed. And I think it was more like 5-6 years ago.

AC YUL-BEY was nearly executed. Press release was issued, flights were bookable, 1 week was left to start date and then they pulled the route.

I don't think CX nearly executed anything out of YEG.

Not sure about YEG, but CX was close to launching pax flights out of YYC. They operated cargo only flights for a few years, and if my memory serves me correct the plans were 3x weekly on the 359, but they opted to use those frequencies at YVR instead.

(I could be mis-remembering this though.)

thenoflyzone Apr 22, 2021 5:41 AM

^ I think CX had named Calgary as being on their wish list (which is better than what YEG ever had) but that still doesn’t qualify as “nearly executed” in my book.

Speaking of CX, looks like they are closing their Canadian pilot base. They might do the same with their Australian and New Zealand bases, but those aren’t finalized yet.

https://financialpost.com/pmn/busine...ia-new-zealand

Coldrsx Apr 22, 2021 1:32 PM

Edmonton International Airport is the first airport in the world to sign The Climate Pledge, it announced on April 21. Signatories agree to be carbon neutral by 2040. EIA said approximately 70% of its carbon emissions are related to electricity usage.
https://flyeia.com/corporate/media/n...eid=b81cde227f

Coldrsx Apr 22, 2021 1:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9256890)
Define nearly executed. And I think it was more like 5-6 years ago.

AC YUL-BEY was nearly executed. Press release was issued, flights were bookable, 1 week was left to start date and then they pulled the route.

I don't think CX nearly executed anything out of YEG.

I'm not entirely sure as I am not as well connected in this area, but more than one source I know had CX working on 'a major asian hub to Edmonton to a major US hub'.

Rumours abound and the last that I had heard it was getting pretty close to being a reality.

But I might have dreamed of this as well.:cheers:

hollywoodcory Apr 22, 2021 9:03 PM

Looks the government is about announce more international flight restrictions. AC has zeroed out its flights to India.

thenoflyzone Apr 22, 2021 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9257797)
Looks the government is about announce more international flight restrictions. AC has zeroed out its flights to India.

All flights from India and Pakistan banned for 30 days, as of tonight. Even connecting passengers are affected. Anyone departing India or Pakistan via a third country will need to get tested negative in that country before continuing to Canada.

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-c...-pakistan.html

Situation in India is pretty bad. Upwards of 300,000 cases a day, and that’s only the cases we know about, imagine. There must be millions in that country with no access to proper testing facilities, so the number is actually much higher.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/india-...tals-1.5997466

Alexcaban Apr 23, 2021 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9257931)
All flights from India and Pakistan banned for 30 days, as of tonight. Even connecting passengers are affected. Anyone departing India or Pakistan via a third country will need to get tested negative in that country before continuing to Canada.

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-c...-pakistan.html

Situation in India is pretty bad. Upwards of 300,000 cases a day, and that’s only the cases we know about, imagine. There must be millions in that country with no access to proper testing facilities, so the number is actually much higher.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/india-...tals-1.5997466

Smells like QR is about to take a big hit on those DOH-YUL flights.

casper Apr 23, 2021 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexcaban (Post 9258024)
Smells like QR is about to take a big hit on those DOH-YUL flights.

More like QR is taking a hit on most of their flights. Canada is doing the same thing as many of the European countries.

thenoflyzone Apr 23, 2021 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexcaban (Post 9258024)
Smells like QR is about to take a big hit on those DOH-YUL flights.

Not as big a hit as AC will take, having to cancel all those YYZ/YVR-DEL and YYZ-BOM flights. Kiss goodbye to YUL-DEL as well, as this measure will surely get extended past 30 days.

Canada-DEL has been the most resilient international market, until now that is. It has been able to maintain itself at a very respectable -25% compared to 2019 levels.

AI will be hugely affected as well. And of course, QR, as a whole as well. Not just DOH-YUL.

All European carriers flying into Canada will be affected too. Pretty sure they were all carrying a decent amount of DEL-Canada traffic. Let’s see if KL and TK will be reducing their schedules in the coming days.

This will not help the launch of IST-YVR for May 2.

thenoflyzone Apr 23, 2021 12:49 AM

https://canadianaviationnews.wordpre...ovid-hotspots/

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Between April 1-19, both Air Canada and Air India operated 47 infected flights from Delhi to Canadian airports.

esquire Apr 23, 2021 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9257106)
Edmonton International Airport is the first airport in the world to sign The Climate Pledge, it announced on April 21. Signatories agree to be carbon neutral by 2040. EIA said approximately 70% of its carbon emissions are related to electricity usage.
https://flyeia.com/corporate/media/n...eid=b81cde227f

An airport signing the Climate Pledge. A delicious moment for lovers of irony.


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