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gramsjdg Jun 1, 2012 12:44 AM

That tapering section in the middle looks awful... I'm glad they didn't choose this one. :yuck:

JACKinBeantown Jun 1, 2012 12:58 AM

I like it. The only flaw is the x-bracing blocking the views of EVERY window. Looks cool on the outside but would be very annoying from the inside.

uaarkson Jun 1, 2012 1:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Observer
Blind item: Which architecture firm displayed a mind-boggling model for a skyscraper that may well never be built, at least in this lovely form, on the corner of Broadway and 57th Street for Gary Barnett?

Now just what exactly does this mean?

NYguy Jun 1, 2012 3:07 AM

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Originally Posted by uaarkson (Post 5719355)
Now just what exactly does this mean?

It means they aren't revealing the firm that designed that tower, while also pointing out that it's a design that won't be built as shown. Anybody's guess as to why it was displayed though - is somebody pushing Barnett's hand? Anyway, I woud have loved to see all of the proposals.

Duck From NY Jun 1, 2012 3:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 5718697)

Was this a proposal for South Street?

Eidolon Jun 1, 2012 3:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck From NY (Post 5719432)
Was this a proposal for South Street?

South Street Seaport Redevelopment Actually Happening

Yes, for the sea port. Don't know if the tower is still a part of it because the article I posted is over a year old.

Duck From NY Jun 1, 2012 3:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 5718578)
One of the designs that didn't make it...
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I would have been really satisfied with the design. I can't wait to be standing in Central Park, looking at the classic 59th street buildings being loomed over by these 1000+ trophy skyscrapers. The guy who designed the Birds Nest stadium in Beijing is the architect that was selected for this job. I've looked at his work, and the man can make a parking garage look awesome, but I didn't see that he had designed skyscrapers before. If he hasn't, then I hope his skill transitions well to the vertical.

Man oh man, this is exactly what Midtown needed. I remember picking up a friend (a former Chicago resident who had never been to NYC) from JFK and then driving him to an event we were both attending. Once we got on the BQE and headed North he was certainly impressed, and immediately admitted that Midtown was bigger and more grandiose than the loop, but he noted that all of the buildings seem to be around the same height (the plateau that is oft-mentioned here). I totally agreed with him, and have always been of the opinion that Midtown needed a few super-talls rising above the rest of the pack.

Eidolon Jun 1, 2012 3:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck From NY (Post 5719441)
Midtown needed a few super-talls rising above the rest of the pack.

There will be no shortage of supertalls for midtown in the coming years, we may actually end up with so many 1,000 footers in that area that they will form another plateau, with a few standouts like this and 432 Park. Not that I'm complaining :cool:

sbarn Jun 1, 2012 4:13 AM

I'm not a huge fan of this design, but I like their trajectory. Seems like something iconic should rise on this site (or at least I hope).

jbermingham123 Jun 2, 2012 9:20 PM

Whatever they decide to build here I think it needs some kind of setback, curve, or spire close to the top... something interesting... so that its not another 432 park ave. Not that I have anything against 432, but one flat-topped super tall per street please.:tup:

Hudson11 Jun 2, 2012 9:25 PM

i just hope it's something that blends well with the central park skyline.

http://newconstructionmanhattan.com/...oads/One57.jpg
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http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/untitled-2213-Edit.jpg
this looks like there's 1250ft of twisting steel jutting out of it

NYguy Jun 4, 2012 6:17 PM

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1Boston Jun 4, 2012 9:55 PM

To be honest, i really don't like that design. Like NYguy said, it reminds me of the old design of the freedom tower, or at least the top of the old design, which i thought was really ugly. I just hope the design that is picked doesn't have an all glass facade, since it seems like theres tons of those going up right now, but i'm sure if it is it will still be amazing.

gramsjdg Jun 4, 2012 10:42 PM

All I ask is that its bulkier than 432 Park and has a roof height taller than Sears... that's all. My needs are modest. ;)

NYguy Jun 23, 2012 8:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gramsjdg (Post 5722891)
All I ask is that its bulkier than 432 Park and has a roof height taller than Sears... that's all. My needs are modest. ;)

It's possible that they may want to top 432 Park for the highest apartment in the City, but I don't think they would be looking at Sears (Willis). If it were in Manhattan, perhaps.

Eidolon Jun 26, 2012 10:00 PM

http://www.commercialobserver.com/20...t-57th-street/

Nordstrom Rumored To Be In Talks For 225 West 57th Street
By Daniel Geiger
5:28pm

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Sources say Nordstrom is in talks to anchor a development project that Gary Barnett would build at 225 West 57th Street.

Rumors have swirled for months that Mr. Barnett, one of the city’s most prolific and successful builders of residential and commercial real estate, is trying to arrange a transaction with the department store, which has been cruising around Manhattan for a site for years.

There was buzz that Mr. Barnett had also brought Nordstrom to One57, the soaring residential tower he’s already in the process of building nearby, but he floors there are too small to accommodate the sprawling footprint of a department store sources say.
Very exciting. :yes:

NYguy Jun 26, 2012 10:09 PM

Yeah, One57 was rumored to be the last location Nordstrom was looking at.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...pQ7lFNaJx6w6aI

Nordstorm landing at 57th and Broadway

By JAMES COVERT and LOIS WEISS
June 26, 2012

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A big Seattle retail chain is coming to Manhattan — and it won’t be selling coffee. Nordstrom — the upscale department store which, along with Starbucks and Amazon, has risen beyond its Pacific Northwest roots to become a US retail titan — is finally near a deal to open a flagship store in Midtown, The Post has learned.

The family-run clothier plans to anchor a future skyscraper on West 57th Street between Broadway and Seventh Avenue that will be built by New York real-estate mogul Gary Barnett, according to sources close to the talks. “This is going to be a major store — they want to make a statement,” according to one insider briefed on the plans, adding that the shop is expected to occupy several stories in addition to the ground floor.

While the main storefront will stretch along the north side of West 57th, the developers are also angling for an entrance at 1780 Broadway, whose façade will likely be preserved as an historic landmark. The side that faces West 58th will likely be used for loading docks, as well as additional access and parking for offices and tenants of high-rise condos, sources said.

“This is going to make the West Side a true shopping mecca that’s competitive with the East Side,” said Faith Hope Consolo, chairman of retail leasing at Prudential Douglas Elliman. The Time Warner Center, two blocks to the north on Columbus Circle, has surprised real-estate insiders with its success as a retail destination, she noted.

Over the past decade, Nordstrom execs have scoured Manhattan’s shopping corridors for a suitable flagship site, ultimately ruling that most locations were either too small or too out of the way. Candidates have included the former Drake Hotel on Park Avenue and the Hudson Yards on the West Side. More recently, rumors have pegged 3 Columbus Circle, a building across the street from the parcel that’s slated for development, and even One 57, the 1,000-foot-high hotel complex that Barnett is building one block to the east.
That helps get this tower moving along sooner rather than later.

NYguy Jun 27, 2012 12:58 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/27/ny...tan-store.html

Nordstrom Said to Sign Deal for Site in Manhattan

By CHARLES V. BAGLI
June 26, 2012

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After spending the past two decades scouring Manhattan for the right location and the right deal, Nordstrom, the upscale department store, has finally found a home. The chain, based in Seattle, signed a binding agreement with Extell Development this week to open New York City’s first new full-scale department store in recent memory, a 7-story, 300,000-square-foot behemoth in the base of a planned skyscraper on the north side of 57th Street, east of Broadway, according to real estate executives who have been briefed on the deal.

The location on 57th Street is about 20 blocks north of Macy’s and well west of Saks Fifth Avenue and the luxury stores on Madison Avenue. But Nordstrom may be trying to capitalize on the success of the multilevel retailing at Time Warner Center in nearby Columbus Circle, where the sales volume at its shops reportedly runs to about $1,600 per square foot.

Brooke White, a spokeswoman for Nordstrom, declined to comment, as did Gary Barnett, chief executive of Extell Development. But the real estate executives, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity as they were not authorized to discuss it, said that Nordstrom planned to make an announcement about the store on Thursday with Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg.

Extell plans to erect a one-million-square-foot tower, with a hotel and apartments, on the site of what was once a Hard Rock Cafe. There is currently a supermarket on the parcel and a small store on the 58th Street edge of the property. About a block to the east of the site, Extell is building One 57th Street, a 90-story residential tower and hotel.

Nordstrom has agreed to buy its portion of the building in a deal valued at more than $300 million. But if the company spent two decades looking for the right site, it will have to wait until 2018 to move in, the executives said.

Another win for Barnett....:tup:

yankeesfan1000 Jun 27, 2012 1:14 PM

That's certainly good news, and I'd have to imagine if Nordstrom signed this deal then this tower can't be more than 4-5 years away.

Onn Jun 27, 2012 3:09 PM

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Originally Posted by yankeesfan1000 (Post 5748231)
That's certainly good news, and I'd have to imagine if Nordstrom signed this deal then this tower can't be more than 4-5 years away.

More like probably not more than one or two years. Great news, that's exactly the kind of store that area needs!

yankeesfan1000 Jun 27, 2012 3:45 PM

I meant the completed tower within 4-5, but construction shouldn't be far off either.

DesignerVoodoo Jun 27, 2012 6:48 PM

It's great to read that Nordstroms is taking the space and the building will be under construction soon.

James Bond Agent 007 Jun 27, 2012 7:53 PM

Great news!

NYguy Jun 28, 2012 9:00 PM

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-...e-in-manhattan

Nordstrom to open 1st full dept store in Manhattan

By Anne D'innocenzio
June 28, 2012

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The arrival of Nordstrom, envied by rivals for its top-notch customer service, will increase the competition in Manhattan, home to such department stores as Macy's and its higher-tone sister, Bloomingdales, and to Saks Fifth Avenue. But experts believe Nordstrom also will inject new energy into what's already a retail mecca.

The new store will open in either 2017 or 2018 at 225 W. 57th Street, between Broadway and Seventh Avenue, just south of Central Park, under an agreement signed with real estate company Extell Development Co., the Seattle-based retailer said. The store will be at the base of a skyscraper still in the planning stages that is to include pricey residences and a hotel.

Pete Nordstrom said the search was complicated by the company's need for a particular configuration plus space for a loading dock, among other requirements. At about 285,000 square feet on seven floors, the new store will be almost twice as big as Nordstrom's average store.




http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/0...8HSBKX20120628

Nordstrom to get New York department store at last

Jun 29, 2012

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The Nordstrom store will be 285,000 square feet and occupy seven stories at the base of what will become Manhattan's tallest residential building, to be built on 57th Street, near 7th Avenue. The store is part of a deal with Extell Development Co, the upscale chain announced at a press conference on Thursday.

A full-service New York department store will give the chain exposure to the millions of tourists who flock to Manhattan and have bolstered business at rivals such as Saks Fifth Avenue , Macy's Inc Bloomingdale's, Neiman Marcus Group Inc's Bergdorf Goodman and Tiffany & Co. "It's our desire to make this the absolute best Nordstrom store there is because we need to do that to be able to compete on this stage," Pete Nordstrom, the chain's president of merchandising, told reporters. He expects the Manhattan store to be the department store chain's highest grossing location.

Nordstrom will own its space at the Manhattan store, which it expects will create 1,000 jobs. In 2010, Nordstrom opened a popular Rack outlet store in New York's Union Square. Company executives at the event said they are not ruling out a second Manhattan department store at some point.



http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nor...nyc-2012-06-28

Extell Announces Agreement to Build 285,000 Square-Foot Flagship Store on 57th Street

June 28, 2012

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For Nordstrom, the agreement with Extell marks its full-line store entrance into the New York City marketplace. Its 7-story department store will comprise the base of a distinctive mixed-use, retail, hotel and high-rise residential tower still in the planning stages by Extell. Nordstrom views the development as a great opportunity to serve customers within the highly accessible, heavily trafficked and growing West Side retail scene.

The 40,000 square foot block-through site, which fronts on the northern side of 57th Street between Broadway and Seventh Avenue and extends to 58th Street, once housed the original Hard Rock Cafe. The parcel was assembled by Extell President Gary Barnett over a period of nearly a decade. According to Mr. Barnett, excavation work on the site could begin as early as the first quarter of next year.

"We have enjoyed great success at ONE57 and therefore decided to develop another luxury tower along the 57th Street corridor," said Gary Barnett. "We are pleased to have Nordstrom as our anchor tenant in this new project and to be able to bring this long anticipated flagship store to Manhattan."




http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...TATE/120629880

Nordstrom fulfills its wish-list after 25 years

By Ken M. Christensen
June 28, 2012

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After decades of pondering a move to New York, Seattle-based retailer Nordstrom Inc. will open its first full-line location two blocks south of Columbus Circle, at 225 W. 57th St., between Seventh and Eighth avenues.

The department store's requirements included ceiling heights of at least 25 feet and open floorplates without central elevator cores, and that combination made most existing buildings unworkable, Mr. Trulson said. Nordstrom considered several high-profile developments for a future home, including a high-rise condo tower planned for the former Drake Hotel site and the Hudson Yards project. "The possibilities for [the Extell] site are just better," Mr. Nordstrom said.

Excavation on the site's 40,000-square-foot footprint could begin by the first quarter of 2013. The tower will include additional retail space, a hotel and residential units. The hotel portion is expected to create 250 permanent jobs, said George Arzt, spokesman for the developer.


NYguy Jun 28, 2012 9:09 PM

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2012/06/...-hudson-yards/

Nordstrom exec: Extell tower ‘better’ for us than Hudson Yards


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[img]June 28, 2012
By Guelda Voien

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The tower, which will be completed in 2017 or 2018, and sits between Seventh Avenue and Broadway, was just “better” for Nordstrom than the Hudson Yards, where Nordstrom also considered putting a Manhattan store, Nordstrom’s director of merchandizing, Peter Nordstrom said. The department store will buy the floors as a commercial condominium, but would not say how much the company would pay. Nordstrom executives will assist in decisions such as who the architect of the apartment, hotel and retail tower will be, Barnett said.

The new Nordstrom’s will likely benefit from residential developments, such as One57, also developed by Extell. In recent weeks, it had been rumored that the department store was considering setting up shop in One57.

Barnet said Nordstrom “will anchor an iconic tower with spectacular views of the Park, city and beyond.” He also joked that his family’s first concern upon hearing he was negotiating with Nordstrom was whether or not they would get a discount.

Following the press conference, Barnett told The Real Deal that the tower, whose height and number of apartments and hotel rooms have not been decided on, would use union construction. He also said he did not plan to seek tax incentives from the city for the development.





http://ny.racked.com/archives/2012/0...round_2018.php

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Right now, the tallest Nordstrom in the country stands five stories high, so the Manhattan flagship will be a record-breaker for the company. Nordstrom and Extell haven't selected an architect yet (they were actually planning to interview candidates this afternoon), so it's impossible to know what the store will look like, outside or in.

But Nordstrom execs do say they're planning to make the top floors interesting enough to draw in shoppers, and because they're working with so much space, they're thinking about setting up multiple different shopping environments within the store. President of merchandising Peter Nordstrom told the assembled crowd, "It's our desire to make this the absolute best Nordstrom store there is."



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...eet-tower.html

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Peter Nordstrom declined to say how much the company will pay Extell for the store. The tower will be funded by Nordstrom’s contribution, “very substantial equity” and a memorandum of understanding from a bank, Barnett said, without going into further detail.

“We have pledged to Nordstrom that they will anchor an iconic tower,”
Barnett said at the press conference.


Sky88 Jun 28, 2012 9:31 PM

So, the 225 W. 57th Street tower will be the Manhattan's tallest residential building. A new 1400/1450ft tower??? :):):)

Roadcruiser1 Jun 28, 2012 9:54 PM

So this building will use older methods. That means unlike most buildings today it would go back to methods used 60-80 years ago. If that is true this building is going to look an awful lot like the Empire State Building.

Onn Jun 28, 2012 9:57 PM

I wonder which one is going to be more impressive, the store or the tower! Sounds like they're really going all out with this one! Very exicting to see! At this rate Barnett's going to have to start planning for a third supertall now. :D

mistermetAJ Jun 28, 2012 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 5750270)
So this building will use older methods. That means unlike most buildings today it would go back to methods used 60-80 years ago. If that is true this building is going to look an awful lot like the Empire State Building.

Where did you get they were using older methods? Using union workers doesnt have anything to do with the design of the tower.

Unless Robert AM Stern is the architect this building will be all glass for sure. Didnt Herzog and de Meuron win the design bid? Maybe that was scrapped once Nordstroms signed on.

NYguy Jun 28, 2012 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Onn (Post 5750274)
I wonder which one is going to be more impressive, the store or the tower! Sounds like they're really going all out with this one! Very exicting to see! At this rate Barnett's going to have to start planning for a third supertall now. :D

Yeah, sounds like the store will be very impressive, even though it's a lot smaller than Manhattan's largest department stores. Nothing like a flagship in Manhattan, and it will generate even more street activity in an already busy area. It's also great that financing is being put into place. We now wait for a design, though groundbreaking could happen before we get one. A look at the facts gathered today:


Quote:

-The new store will open in either 2017 or 2018 at 225 W. 57th Street

-The Nordstrom store will be 285,000 square feet and occupy seven stories at the base of what will become Manhattan's tallest residential building *

-Barnet said Nordstrom “will anchor an iconic tower with spectacular views of the Park, city and beyond.”

-The tower will be funded by Nordstrom’s contribution, “very substantial equity” and a memorandum of understanding from a bank, Barnett said, without going into further detail. “We have pledged to Nordstrom that they will anchor an iconic tower,”

-Barnett told The Real Deal that the tower, whose height and number of apartments and hotel rooms have not been decided on, would use union construction.

-Nordstrom and Extell haven't selected an architect yet (they were actually planning to interview candidates this afternoon)

-Nordstrom executives will assist in decisions such as who the architect of the apartment, hotel and retail tower will be, Barnett said.

-The department store's requirements included ceiling heights of at least 25 feet and open floorplates without central elevator cores, and that combination made most existing buildings unworkable, Mr. Trulson said.

-Excavation on the site's 40,000-square-foot footprint could begin by the first quarter of 2013. The tower will include additional retail space, a hotel and residential units.



* That's still up in the air

JayPro Jun 28, 2012 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 5750353)
Yeah, sounds like the store will be very impressive, even though it's a lot smaller than Manhattan's largest department stores. Nothing like a flagship in Manhattan, and it will generate even more street activity in an already busy area. It's also great that financing is being put into place. We now wait for a design, though groundbreaking could happen before we get one. A look at the facts gathered today:





* That's still up in the air



Well played, sir. :D

Eidolon Jun 28, 2012 11:37 PM

Looks like 432 Park won't hold the title of tallest by roof height for too long. :yes:

UrbanImpact Jun 28, 2012 11:42 PM

Omg.........first large department store being built in "The City" in decades, I can't wait. 57th street is on fire.

Onn Jun 29, 2012 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by UrbanImpact (Post 5750408)
Omg.........first large department store being built in "The City" in decades, I can't wait. 57th street is on fire.

That's what I'm saying, the deparment store itself is going to be a beast. Iconic tower, iconic deparment store. Seriously high-end real esate we're talking about here.

lakegz Jun 29, 2012 2:22 AM

This is so exciting for New York. I seriously gotta move back there in a couple of years to see all of these ambitious projects open up.

sbarn Jun 29, 2012 3:00 AM

I'm so excited for this tower. I hope they come up with something more original CIM's box on Park Avenue.

Hudson11 Jun 29, 2012 3:31 AM

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-The Nordstrom store will be 285,000 square feet and occupy seven stories at the base of what will become Manhattan's tallest residential building
if that one does turn out to be true, this one will be in the 1400 ft range. USA's tallest roof height?

Roadcruiser1 Jun 29, 2012 4:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mistermetAJ (Post 5750328)
Where did you get they were using older methods? Using union workers doesnt have anything to do with the design of the tower.

Unless Robert AM Stern is the architect this building will be all glass for sure. Didnt Herzog and de Meuron win the design bid? Maybe that was scrapped once Nordstroms signed on.

I am talking about the store and probably the building. Most buildings today are built with a core and an outer wall. This building will not have a core but a grid of steel beams inside the building to hold it up.

NYguy Jun 29, 2012 2:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UrbanImpact (Post 5750408)
Omg.........first large department store being built in "The City" in decades, I can't wait. 57th street is on fire.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onn (Post 5750432)
That's what I'm saying, the deparment store itself is going to be a beast. Iconic tower, iconic deparment store. Seriously high-end real esate we're talking about here.


Yeah, the department store does add to the usual excitement for this type of development. People who aren't necessarily into skyscrapers will be excited for this project. In fact, the skyscraper itself is more of an afterthought in the media.




http://www.forbes.com/sites/walterlo...s-to-new-york/

Nordstrom Finally Comes to New York

6/29/12

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For years there have been rumors that Nordstrom would open a full line store in Manhattan. For many years they have operated stores surrounding Manhattan. In Westchester, Long Island and New Jersey, Nordstrom is a successful anchor to major malls in the greater New York City area but not in New York City. The many rumors placed them on Park Avenue, Fifth Avenue, in Soho, near the West Side’s High Line project, and on the Upper West Side. But the day has now arrived: Nordstrom has announced that a 285,000 square foot will open in 2018 at 225 West 57th Street. The store will span seven floors in a mixed-use, retail, hotel and high-rise residential tower.

The location is terrific for this new flagship store. It is near major subway and bus lines, as well as the world famous Carnegie Hall and Columbus Circle where the Time Warner Center has excellent shopping and dining facilities. The location will draw both international and U.S. visitors. The move will change the dynamics of New York City putting greater emphasis on the West side. I can visualize many other fashion stores moving to the West 57th Street location by the time the store opens. The store will compete with Bloomingdale’s, Macy’s, and all the fashion stores in Upper Manhattan. No doubt, Nordstrom’s fabled service will be copied by others.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...QnG9QvV7ohhNQL

NYC Nordstrom means a slew of new jobs

By JAMES COVERT and LOIS WEISS
June 29, 2012

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It’s official: Seattle’s best clothier is finally opening a big store in the Big Apple. Nordstrom confirmed that it will open a long-awaited Manhattan flagship at Broadway and West 57th Street. The Post first reported the location Tuesday on its website. At a splashy SoHo press conference yesterday with Mayor Bloomberg at his side, Pete Nordstrom, president of merchandising for the luxe retailer, said the 285,000-square-foot store will stretch seven stories high — two more than the next-tallest shop in the 231-store chain. “We fully expect this to be our most productive store,” Nordstrom said.

Officials said it will be located at 225 W. 57th St., anchoring a mixed-use skyscraper that will be erected by New York real-estate mogul Gary Barnett of Extell Development. Bloomberg called the new Midtown tower, which is slated to open in 2018, “a smart fashion statement,” gushing that it will create 1,000 new jobs and 5,000 construction jobs.

Nordstrom told The Post that he was seduced by “the amount of people and the possibilities” in the area surrounding 225 W. 57th, which is just a block south of Columbus Circle.

hunser Jun 29, 2012 3:04 PM

Looks like another 400m+ skyscraper for NY. Can't wait for a first massing model or rendering to be released.

Innsertnamehere Jun 29, 2012 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 5750723)
I am talking about the store and probably the building. Most buildings today are built with a core and an outer wall. This building will not have a core but a grid of steel beams inside the building to hold it up.

Cores generally only become necessary when you are going above 270m.. But below that level it is actually quite rare to see a core. This will be interesting to watch go up though! Might be the tallest
Building in the world without one!

sbarn Jun 30, 2012 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 5750723)
I am talking about the store and probably the building. Most buildings today are built with a core and an outer wall. This building will not have a core but a grid of steel beams inside the building to hold it up.

I don't quite follow... I don't see how this building wouldn't have a core. Cores are not only necessary for skyscrapers structurally, but also function as the primary location for emergency stairwells, elevator stacks and mechanical chases.

I think what they mean by "coreless" store, is that the site is big enough to basically have a large podium for Nordstrom and then the tower off to one side, kinda like the 50 Bloor proposal in Toronto (below):

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8022/7...21891186_z.jpg
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NYguy Jun 30, 2012 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sbarn (Post 5751746)
I think what they mean by "coreless" store, is that the site is big enough to basically have a large podium for Nordstrom and then the tower off to one side, kinda like the 50 Bloor proposal in Toronto (below):

Right, the configuration is not unusual. It's why we have two different designs for the 15 Penn Plaza proposal, one featuring large trading floors that won't be interrupted by the core:


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/144419495/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/144419498/original.jpg



DitMartian

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7265/7...071f114c_b.jpg

1Boston Jul 1, 2012 5:41 AM

So since it says that Nordstrom will be open at the tower in 2017-2018, does that mean that's when the tower itself will be finished or would it likely be sooner than that, cause that seems too far away, especially if its starting 1st quarter of 2013.

NYguy Jul 1, 2012 6:47 AM

Not really. We're talking four years from excavation to completion. Its a very large tower wirh completion dates similar to the Hudson Yards towers. That's all assuming the tower goes vertical next year, and I don't see why not.

NYguy Jul 3, 2012 11:15 PM

The press conference from the mayor's gallery. Maybe they like'em tall because they're so tall...Bloomberg seems so tiny...:D

nycmayorsoffice


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7134/7...a1fc6c52_b.jpg



http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7134/7...71e371f4_c.jpg


"Wow, that guy is huge."

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8163/7...7446a569_c.jpg

Busy Bee Jul 4, 2012 12:17 AM

OMG, the Scandinavians are coming!! The Scandinavians are coming!!

Those guys are super tall. Kind of scary actually.

NYguy Jul 5, 2012 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 5755435)
Those guys are super tall. Kind of scary actually.

LOL, yeah, it all makes sense now:

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The department store's requirements included ceiling heights of at least 25 feet


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...bWyoxcVdYKmHfP

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Nordstrom Rack, the off-price division of the Seattle-based department store chain, is said to be in preliminary discussions to dig into about 50,000 square feet — mostly underground — at Blackstone’s 1095 Ave. of the Americas.

A pedestrian plaza running south to West 41st Street lies between that tower and Blackstone’s 120 W. 42nd St., a newly developed glass retail box, with all of the retail connecting underground....
This news follows on the heels of Nordstrom’s announcement that it is finally bringing a full-fledged flagship store to Manhattan. The company has signed a development deal to own 285,000 square feet in the base of Extell’s upcoming tower at 225 W. 57th St.

hunser Jul 5, 2012 3:49 PM

A supertall for super tall people- I like it! :jester: I'm 6'3'' btw... nothing special for Central / North Europeans (Austria, Germany, Netherlands, Scandinavia etc.) :D

(Bloomberg is 5'6'', that's why he looks like a dwarf compared to these guys)

Dallas Jul 5, 2012 9:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 5755435)
OMG, the Scandinavians are coming!! The Scandinavians are coming!!

Those guys are super tall. Kind of scary actually.

Of course just about anyone looks tall standing next to Mayor Bloomberg !!

:haha:


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