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hollywoodcory Aug 30, 2020 11:26 PM

In other news, AA is planning to add daily YYC-PHX from November. Whether or not this actually happens is a different story. It would bring their total planned service this winter to 4x daily overall to DFW, ORD and PHX.

https://onemileatatime.com/american-...winter-routes/

JakeLRS Aug 31, 2020 10:03 PM

Swoop launching quite a few routes from YYZ in the fall... Including YYZ-YEG (attacking Flair).

This should be interesting. Not yet published.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...22d3e91e_z.jpgSwoop_YYZ_Routes by freerealms454, on Flickr

YYCguys Aug 31, 2020 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9028423)
Swoop launching quite a few routes from YYZ in the fall... Including YYZ-YEG (attacking Flair).

This should be interesting. Not yet published.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...22d3e91e_z.jpgSwoop_YYZ_Routes by freerealms454, on Flickr

So taking away some WS mainline flying! :???:

casper Sep 1, 2020 7:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 9028443)
So taking away some WS mainline flying! :???:

It is all very confusing. WS can't maintain a reasonable network service. So instead of beefing up its network its is operating flights outside the network to major points domestically and the US. Silly strategy.

hollywoodcory Sep 1, 2020 3:38 PM

Apparently WS filed 2x daily service to LHR from October 25?
https://twitter.com/MZulqarnainBut1/...65796931702784

If true, probably just transfer YYC/YYZ-LGW over to LHR.

JakeLRS Sep 1, 2020 3:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9029027)
Apparently WS filed 2x daily service to LHR from October 25?
https://twitter.com/MZulqarnainBut1/...65796931702784

If true, probably just transfer YYC/YYZ-LGW over to LHR.

Wow, they finally got the slots and 2 times daily too!

Dominion301 Sep 1, 2020 6:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe (Post 9027311)
A few different ones, but to start, Calgary-Edmonton, Calgary-Regina, and Calgary-Winnipeg

I recally YYC-YEG O&D being 350k/year. I bet that hasn't changed much or might even be lower now given back in 1997's report, YXD was still open until mid-96. The days of showing up 20 minutes before departure are long gone.

YYC-YWG I remember was around 175k/year.

YYC-YQR I'm thinking it was around 80k/year.

For the latter two, if you take a very conservative 1% annualized growth rate, you'll probably be somewhat accurate with 2019's reality.

thenoflyzone Sep 1, 2020 9:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9029034)
Wow, they finally got the slots and 2 times daily too!

The slot hand back deadline at LHR was 31 August 2020, and the fact this news came about Sept 1 leads me to believe this was an ad hoc slot approval. These aren't regular slots, and you need to apply every time for ad hoc slot approvals, before the start of every season. They come with their own restrictions.

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...localrule2.pdf

Quote:

The following conditions may result in the suspension of the allocation of ad hoc slots: adverse operating conditions (e.g. severe weather), special events (e.g. major
sporting event or state occasion) or temporary loss of airport infrastructure (e.g. a runway closure) that is likely to lead to significant and prolonged disruption or delay. Heathrow’s Airside Director or delegated representative in cooperation with NATS will declare to ACL if such conditions exist. The allocation of ad hoc availability may be suspended and any allocated ad hoc slots may be withdrawn upon reasonable notice to the operator.
Not ideal, but if you want to fly into LHR, you take what you can get. Will be interesting to see what WS does, as they only have 2 months advance notice to try and fill up twice daily LHR flights, in the middle of a pandemic, and with COVID cases on the rise in the UK.

From what I understand, they wont be able to transfer their LGW flights either, or they run the risk of losing those slots, as LGW hasn't yet waived their slot usage guidelines for W20, meaning the 80/20 use it or lose it rule still applies, as far as I know.

Dominion301 Sep 2, 2020 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9027413)
In other news, AA is planning to add daily YYC-PHX from November. Whether or not this actually happens is a different story. It would bring their total planned service this winter to 4x daily overall to DFW, ORD and PHX.

https://onemileatatime.com/american-...winter-routes/

AA also appear to be bringing back YOW to their network. YOW-PHL is loaded 2x daily as of 06APR21.

thenoflyzone Sep 2, 2020 2:54 PM

^ After further digging, I edited my post above with more pertinent info about WS and LHR.

casper Sep 2, 2020 3:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9029422)
The slot hand back deadline at LHR was 31 August 2020, and the fact this news came about Sept 1 leads me to believe this was an ad hoc slot approval. These aren't regular slots, and you need to apply every time for ad hoc slot approvals, before the start of every season. They come with their own restrictions.

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...localrule2.pdf



Not ideal, but if you want to fly into LHR, you take what you can get. Will be interesting to see what WS does, as they only have 2 months advance notice to try and fill up twice daily LHR flights, in the middle of a pandemic, and with COVID cases on the rise in the UK.

From what I understand, they wont be able to transfer their LGW flights either, or they run the risk of losing those slots, as LGW hasn't yet waived their slot usage guidelines for W20, meaning the 80/20 use it or lose it rule still applies, as far as I know.

Not certain if it is related. Did some digging and October 25 is the start of the return to use-it or lose-it for slots at Heathrow. Perhaps they have a partner (e.g., Virgin Atlantic or Delta) that has some extra slots that they don't want to lose but also don't have the passenger volume to justify using.

hollywoodcory Sep 2, 2020 4:45 PM

WestJet has only filed the LHR flights over the winter, so this could be a temporary use of slots another airline/partner doesn't want to use (as already mentioned).

Also advance bookings for LGW don't seem great, as they have reduced it to just twice weekly the last 2 weeks of September. Perhaps their willing to take the loses to get themselves in the door at LHR.

thenoflyzone Sep 2, 2020 5:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9029942)
Not certain if it is related. Did some digging and October 25 is the start of the return to use-it or lose-it for slots at Heathrow. Perhaps they have a partner (e.g., Virgin Atlantic or Delta) that has some extra slots that they don't want to lose but also don't have the passenger volume to justify using.

If that was the case, it would be listed in the following link. It isn’t.

https://www.acl-uk.org/completed-slot-trades/

I initially thought they might be the one to have purchased the NZ slots last January, but that’s just 1 slot pair, and the timing of the flight is a bit off.

lubicon Sep 2, 2020 6:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9029981)
WestJet has only filed the LHR flights over the winter, so this could be a temporary use of slots another airline/partner doesn't want to use (as already mentioned).

Also advance bookings for LGW don't seem great, as they have reduced it to just twice weekly the last 2 weeks of September. Perhaps their willing to take the loses to get themselves in the door at LHR.

First flights were a little over 50% full, not sure how it's done since but hopefully loads are solidifying.

hollywoodcory Sep 3, 2020 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 9030061)
First flights were a little over 50% full, not sure how it's done since but hopefully loads are solidifying.

With both LGW / CDG getting reduced with about 2 weeks notice tells me they aren't getting enough bookings for the flights to be worth it.

Be interesting to see what the future holds for WS TATL plans.

YYCguys Sep 3, 2020 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9030513)
With both LGW / CDG getting reduced with about 2 weeks notice tells me they aren't getting enough bookings for the flights to be worth it.

Be interesting to see what the future holds for WS TATL plans.

As consumer confidence in flying grows over the next year, I imagine that those planes will fill up again. Maybe we will see a return to DUB and BCN, and hopefully FCO will get relaunched.

hollywoodcory Sep 3, 2020 4:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 9030525)
As consumer confidence in flying grows over the next year, I imagine that those planes will fill up again. Maybe we will see a return to DUB and BCN, and hopefully FCO will get relaunched.

Until the 14 day quarantine goes away chances are load factors in flights outside of Canada will remain low.

Also I noticed while WS has FCO scheduled next summer, they appear to have cancelled MAN permanently.

thenoflyzone Sep 4, 2020 1:28 PM

Winter route cuts by AC.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-03sep20/

Quote:

Air Canada NW20 International network suspensions as of 03SEP20

Air Canada in last week’s schedule update (late-August) filed additional changes to its planned International operation, for winter 2020/21 season. Latest adjustment sees the removal of following routes. These remains unchanged as of 03SEP20:

Calgary – Los Cabos
Calgary – Puerto Vallarta
Montreal – Holguin
Montreal – Port-au-Prince
Montreal – Puerto Plata
Montreal – Toulouse
Ottawa – Varadero
Toronto – Barcelona
Toronto – Belize City
Toronto – Copenhagen
Toronto – George Town
Toronto – Holguin
Toronto – Madrid
Toronto – Puerto Plata
Toronto – Quito
Toronto – Samana
Vancouver – Auckland
Vancouver – Melbourne
Vancouver – Orange County

The airline in May/June already removed following routes for winter season:
Toronto – Hartford
Toronto – Indianapolis
Toronto – San Jose CA
Toronto – Savannah

Dominion301 Sep 4, 2020 4:14 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9031883)

Interesting how they’re not operating YOW-VRA this winter, but are adding a short season of YOW-CCC on Mondays: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...-feb-apr-2021/

Truenorth00 Sep 4, 2020 4:48 PM

Great article in Bloomberg today talking about the challenges Canadian airports face and the bailouts they need:

Struggling Airports Implore Trudeau to Help Hardest-Hit Sectors


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