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Out of curiosity, why don’t the Wolfpack play out of BMO?
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With both TFC and the Argos at BMO I don't really see any interest from MLSE on adding the Wolfpack to the BMO schedule, outside of the fact that MLSE does not own the Wolfpack. |
It's interesting that the Wolfpack has made things work at Lamport. I've never been in it but from what I've seen on TV there is nothing about it that looks professional... it reminds me of the old University of Manitoba stadium, just super bare-bones with not much beyond a bench to sit on.
I'm not sure what the facilities in the top flight typically look like, but I'd imagine Lamport must be well back of the pack in that regard? |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...nd_terrace.jpg (Wakefield) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...dmainstand.jpg (Castleford) Others play in proper stadiums... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...sfield_002.jpg (Huddersfield) images via Wikipedia A keen eye will note that the stadiums in Huddersfield, Wigan, and Hull are shared with EPL/former EPL teams. |
Lamport Stadium is as basic as they come. I thought it was supposed to be torn down years ago. I suppose we would need a new stadium built elsewhere before they could demolish it now.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a1b967d5_b.jpgJoe Mellor scored the Wolfpack's 1000th point of the season! by Paul Henman, on Flickr |
I don't know that demand would be there for them to use BMO at this point. A full Lamport looks a lot better than a third full BMO. And they are apparently going to put a lot of money into Lamport to improve the fan experience a bit as well as player facilities. I imagine there is only so much they can do but at least it's something.
How does this league work anyway? So, they win some level of games and get promoted to this new level. Can they just as easily go back to the lower level they were at last year? Was it a case of they moved up, someone else moved down, or is it in effect an expansion, you never drop down? What happens if they throw a bunch of money into this, they go into a slump and drop back down and now the fans turn their backs? |
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Leagues like this don't really do expansion in the normal sense. In 2017 they joined League 1 (third tier), won that, then played in Championship (second tier) for two seasons in 2018 and 2019. They very narrowly missed out on promotion in 2018 before attaining it this fall. If places like Boston, New York, or Ottawa are joining this league in the future then they will have to join at the third tier like Toronto did in 2017 and work their way up. It's a more satisfying system in comparison to North American franchise sports, IMO, and it's a system that requires more than just wealthy owners to buy a spot in a league. It puts more emphasis on fielding good quality teams and does not provide benefit for finishing poorly. |
Hockey Night in Canada ratings seem to be falling pretty low since Don Cherry was canned. The prime time games now are in the low 800,000's last year same period were at 983,000. The gap between them and CFL games on Friday nights seems to be not as wide as it used to be. I remember just a few years ago the prime time Leaf games would draw around 1.7 million and the late night west coast games would be around 700 to 800 thousand.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...g-hnic-ratings |
First things first: Of course opening night and the start of the season has higher numbers than the doldrums of December. That isn't really shocking and a bit of a stretch for the article to imply that this decrease is due to Cherry's departure and not simply general decline as the season naturally wears on (2018 had a more drastic decline from opener to December as shown below).
I highly question the intention behind the writing of this article but the easiest way to see to this would be to simply go back through Numeris' archive to see if there's been any discernible drop. http://en.numeris.ca/media-and-event...ekly-top-30#k= HNIC Prime East (CBC), Numeris reporting numbers: Nov 30-Dec 20, 2015: 2 Weekends: 1,030,000 avg.* Nov 28-Dec 18, 2016: 3 Weekends: 1,161,000 avg. Nov 27-Dec 17. 2017: 3 Weekends: 1,326,000 avg. Nov 26-Dec 16, 2018: 3 Weekends: 1,005,000 avg. Nov 30-Dec 14, 2019: 3 Weekends: 915,000 avg. *The middle weekend of this period for 2015 did not enter the top 30 programs of the week. The 30th ranked program that week had 1.05M viewers. Also, season debuts, since this year's was mentioned in the article: HNIC Prime East (CBC), NHL first weekend: October 5-11, 2015: 1,276,000 October 10-16, 2016: 1,545,000 October 2-8, 2017: 1,794,000 October 1-7, 2018: 1,641,000 October 6-13, 2019: 1,247,000 CBC's numbers are pretty much where they were in 2015 with a peak in the middle of the reporting period. One thing that was not mentioned in the article was that the NHL season in recent years has been starting on Wednesdays, meaning that SN's Wednesday night coverage had opening games. 2019's game on SN garnered 1,407,000 compared to CBC's 1,247,000 on HNIC that Saturday. In 2018 the equivalent Wednesday opener on SN garnered the same 1.6M that HNIC got that Saturday. 2017 was the most recent year where HNIC's opener outdrew SN's Wednesday opener (1.7M v 1.4M). So while CBC's openers have declined in the past few years the SN openers have increased, at least in comparison to CBC's figures. So while the thought of Cherry's firing causing this decline is nice in theory it's probably just a natural decline both in the season and in hockey viewership in general on CBC as viewers migrate to other options, namely SN. It took me 15 minutes to get these numbers scrounged together - I genuinely wish the article had done the same legwork given that the past five years of numbers are available. Also, since it's not pointed out, all of these figures are only for the early games on HNIC and make no mention of the late games (obviously, since Cherry only appeared for Leafs the early CBC games). This year's decline can be explained away pretty easily: Ottawa is in an awful spot, Montreal are moribund, and the Leafs (until Babcock's firing) were very much underperforming. Pretty simple reasoning for why figures would be down compared to last season. tl;dr
Happy Holidays everyone. :P |
May as well update this for this week:
Numeris reporting numbers, December 16-22 2019: Leafs Hockey, TSN, Tuesday, 760K Leafs Hockey, SNOntario+, Friday, 726K HNIC Prime East, Sportsnet, Saturday, 700K HNIC Prime East, CBC, Saturday, 672K http://assets.numeris.ca/Downloads/D...(National).pdf Initial World Junior numbers will be out this time next week. Last year's first three preliminary Canada games averaged 1.7M, the final prelim game averaged 2.4M, and Canada's QF loss to Finland averaged 2.0M. This year's numbers should be down given the tournament's timezones in Czechia. |
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Wait another 20 years and you'll find Torontonians call hockey a redneck sport that hicks in places like Manitoba watch. If it reaches its logical conclusion we'll end up with many Torontonians unfamiliar with the Leafs and wondering why we don't just ditch US sports like hockey. Surely hockey is beneath us while soccer and cricket are more fitting for a world class city like Toronto? What's a Stanley Cup any way?
Can't happen? That's what football said 3-4 generations ago. |
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Where will hockey fans go? The NHL is the top dog in the world of professional ice hockey, one that already has entrenched roots in America. Now, I could see if the NHL keeps neglecting their Canadian teams and the base (especially among the more diverse population of modern Toronto), they might have their day of reckoning (see: the Ottawa Senators' story right now), but I don't think the same forces that hurt the CFL will do the same to the NHL. |
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As long as the NHL is the best hockey league in the world, support won't be a problem in Toronto. |
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I have no doubt that Bell would love to force you to subscribe to TSN to watch NFL games on TV the same way that you have to subscribe to a channel to watch your regional NHL feed or the CFL, but they can't do that because there are so many games available on US broadcast TV. Bell/Rogers/whoever can't monopolize the rights the same way. |
The Toronto assumptions are probably fine in theory but without any regionalized breakdown of viewers or ratings they're just assumptions. Leafs SNO viewers and ratings, especially for those midweek games, are fine as they are IMO. People, not just contained to Toronto but Canada at large, will watch whatever Toronto team is hot at the moment. A few years ago it was Jays, now it's Raptors, and the Leafs always pull alright numbers regardless.
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Raptors Christmas Day, SN, ~1.0M. Raptors have again set a high-water mark for regular season most-watched game. |
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GC 2019: 3.9M The average for CFL divisional games are roughly 900K-1M. Source Division finals are 1-1.3M, dipping below that in 2018. [Source] A lot of this depends on Saskatchewan, though, since that province drives CFL ratings more than the other teams. |
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