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esquire Nov 10, 2022 7:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hackslack (Post 9787291)
Has anyone hear how betting has improved the CFL, if at all? How much revenue has it generated?… I know the CFL was a big pusher for it.

Good question. There must be some money being made given that just about everything CFL-related (teams, games, events, shows, podcasts) seems to have a betting sponsor.

thurmas Nov 10, 2022 8:10 PM

Getting revenue numbers from cfl head office has always been very difficult to get. Most honest and open numbers you can get are from the 3 community owned teams when they put out their annual financial numbers showing the breakdowns of revenue from league office. I mean heck cfl says it has revenue sharing again but still hasn't said how much or what percentage of gate receipts are divided to home and opposing teams if there is revenue sharing.

thurmas Nov 10, 2022 8:34 PM

Argos seem to be selling the first 5 rows of the upper deck at a time right now sales seem to be moving around 1000 tickets a day which isnt too bad considering how little promotional work MLSE puts in the team. My prediction for attendance now I will go with 22377 on sunday

https://www.ticketmaster.ca/cfl-east...005C72C76D48AA

blueandgoldguy Nov 10, 2022 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN (Post 9787034)
I'm going to try to get a question in during the Q&A between the fans and Ambrosie during Grey Cup. Basically it'll be: There has been declining interest in the league ever since TSN took over, so what is your path to recovery because nothing you've tried has worked yet.

Well if you actually get to ask that question he will probably sidestep it and give an answer like, "the league has seen tremendous growth in interest outside of North America with our CFL 2.0 initiative. Participation in our global camps has increased by X percent and we believe we are closing in on a substantial media deal with multiple countries."

He will probably also boast about their partnership with Genius Sports all the great exposure and potential revenue involved with them without actually providing any hard numbers. Offhand, I seem to remember a few tweets from earlier this year or last year that estimated each club may receive between $1.5 - $2 million through the partnership.

blueandgoldguy Nov 10, 2022 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 9787043)
I wonder what TSN's stance is on the way things are with respect to the CFL? They bought in when the CFL was riding pretty high, at a time when attendance and viewership was way up and there was a general resurgence of interest in the league. It feels like it kind of peaked about 10-12 years ago.

You would think they'd have a vested interest in maintaining that interest considering the money they're paying. But CFL coverage on TSN is starting to feel like NLL or wrestling, which gets their couple hours of live action of week but no other coverage to speak of.

They appear to be more interested in the NFL and key matchups than the CFL. I swear during Sportscentre there is more time spent with talking heads discussing the NFL than there is for the CFL.

blueandgoldguy Nov 10, 2022 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawrylyshyn (Post 9787053)
Yup, that's been a huge improvement. I remember the days when coaches would constantly challenge pass interference, in hopes that a player that it may be called on someone, even uninvolved in the play and on the other side of the field, to try to get a free first down.

I know people say "don't make the league like the NFL!", but I also think they should adopt a similar play clock. Having to wait for the refs to start the play clock actually 1) slows down the game (I'll try and find it, but the average amount of time between plays ends up being less in the NFL) and 2) inhibits teams from utilizing a true hurry up offence

Yes, for several years now, the average number of offensive plays per team per game have actually been higher in the NFL than in the CFL. This is the result of those interminable defensive substitutions that have become commonplace in the CFL over the past few decades. Nowadays it's pretty common for nearly 40 seconds to come off the clock between plays.

thurmas Nov 10, 2022 11:50 PM

Bettman while in Winnipeg this week said Winnipeg is in contention to host either an upcoming entry draft or all star game once the 5th stage of True North Square is complete which will be a 5 star hotel. Chipman seems to be wanting a entry draft more than an all star game.

blueandgoldguy Nov 10, 2022 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by thurmas (Post 9787633)
Bettman while in Winnipeg this week said Winnipeg is in contention to host either an upcoming entry draft or all star game once the 5th stage of True North Square is complete which will be a 5 star hotel. Chipman seems to be wanting a entry draft more than an all star game.

Yes, I remember hearing this a year or two ago - Chipman being more interested in the draft than the all star game - as the draft would bring in a lot more people and thus be of greater economic impact to the city and province. Hundreds of prospects and thousands of family members over 2 - 3 days staying at hotels, attending events and restaurants.

esquire Nov 11, 2022 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy (Post 9787623)
They appear to be more interested in the NFL and key matchups than the CFL. I swear during Sportscentre there is more time spent with talking heads discussing the NFL than there is for the CFL.

I think that is without question the case. Watch SC immediately after a NFL game, e.g. SC with Jay Onrait immediately after Thursday Night Football or whatever. SC effectively acts as a post-game show with extended discussion and analysis, with coach interviews, etc. No other sport to my knowledge gets that treatment... not the NHL, the CFL, MLS, whatever. I don't begrudge the NFL that attention but it would be nice to see a little more post-game coverage than what exists now.


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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy (Post 9787636)
Yes, I remember hearing this a year or two ago - Chipman being more interested in the draft than the all star game - as the draft would bring in a lot more people and thus be of greater economic impact to the city and province. Hundreds of prospects and thousands of family members over 2 - 3 days staying at hotels, attending events and restaurants.

I won't readily admit it, but Winnipeg may be an easier sell in July than in January... hence why the focus is on the draft ;)

Fun fact, Winnipeg was slated to host the draft in 1995 but it was moved to Edmonton due to franchise instability at the time (there was concern the Jets would move after the 1995 season, but it was postponed for another year).

blueandgoldguy Nov 11, 2022 8:38 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 9787660)

I won't readily admit it, but Winnipeg may be an easier sell in July than in January... hence why the focus is on the draft ;)

Fun fact, Winnipeg was slated to host the draft in 1995 but it was moved to Edmonton due to franchise instability at the time (there was concern the Jets would move after the 1995 season, but it was postponed for another year).

Ha! That's true regarding the draft vs. the All Star Game. And yes, I do remember the Jets were supposed to host the draft back in '95.

blueandgoldguy Nov 17, 2022 10:56 PM

I just saw Apple's big fail of a plan for MLS. Apple TV subscribers can pay $12.99 a month or $79 a season. In other words, you can pay a fee on top of a fee to have the privilege of watching MLS Soccer. Brilliant!:haha: This is sure to boost MLS popularity in North America.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/...bruary-1-2023/

MLS Season Pass will be home to the most expansive and accessible programming lineup ever for MLS fans, including all MLS and Leagues Cup matches, as well as hundreds of MLS NEXT Pro and MLS NEXT games during the season. During match days, MLS Season Pass will feature an exclusive live match whip-around show so fans never miss an exciting goal or save, as well as game replays, highlights, and analysis. Starting February 1, fans can subscribe to MLS Season Pass on the Apple TV app for $14.99 per month during the season or $99 per season, and Apple TV+ subscribers can sign up at a special price of $12.99 per month and $79 per season.

esquire Nov 17, 2022 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy (Post 9793415)
I just saw Apple's big fail of a plan for MLS. Apple TV subscribers can pay $12.99 a month or $79 a season. In other words, you can pay a fee on top of a fee to have the privilege of watching MLS Soccer. Brilliant!:haha: This is sure to boost MLS popularity in North America.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/...bruary-1-2023/

MLS Season Pass will be home to the most expansive and accessible programming lineup ever for MLS fans, including all MLS and Leagues Cup matches, as well as hundreds of MLS NEXT Pro and MLS NEXT games during the season. During match days, MLS Season Pass will feature an exclusive live match whip-around show so fans never miss an exciting goal or save, as well as game replays, highlights, and analysis. Starting February 1, fans can subscribe to MLS Season Pass on the Apple TV app for $14.99 per month during the season or $99 per season, and Apple TV+ subscribers can sign up at a special price of $12.99 per month and $79 per season.

The logical conclusion of this is that we will one day live in a world where 1,000 rich guys are paying $10,000,000 each to watch their favourite leagues and the rest of us will go take up new hobbies or something.

thurmas Nov 18, 2022 5:51 PM

Cfl west final drew 1.2 million viewers. East final only 629,000 on tsn no French language rds numbers released. East and west final numbers down 17% to last year. Ambrosie announced today league will have playoff games on Saturday next year instead of Sunday outside of the grey cup to avoid conflict with nfl games to please tsn.

blueandgoldguy Nov 18, 2022 8:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thurmas (Post 9794141)
Cfl west final drew 1.2 million viewers. East final only 629,000 on tsn no French language rds numbers released. East and west final numbers down 17% to last year. Ambrosie announced today league will have playoff games on Saturday next year instead of Sunday outside of the grey cup to avoid conflict with nfl games to please tsn.

Did he actually say that - "to please TSN?"

I don't think it's a good idea to switch playoff games to Saturdays. In 2008, during the middle of the CFL's last heyday, they league switched their playoff games to Saturdays and it was a disaster. Ratings decreased by 30-50% collectively. The following year, the league switched the playoff games (division semi-finals and finals) to Sundays and the ratings increased back to 2007 levels.

esquire Nov 18, 2022 8:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy (Post 9794322)
Did he actually say that - "to please TSN?"

I don't think it's a good idea to switch playoff games to Saturdays. In 2008, during the middle of the CFL's last heyday, they league switched their playoff games to Saturdays and it was a disaster. Ratings decreased by 30-50% collectively. The following year, the league switched the playoff games (division semi-finals and finals) to Sundays and the ratings increased back to 2007 levels.

I remember there were Saturday playoff games in 1994 (and possibly 95?) when there were US teams. I went to one, Bombers vs. Eastern Riders. It was one of the few times I ever went to a Bomber game with an announced crowd of under 20,000. Not exactly a box office bonanza as I recall.

I guess we have to go through this exercise once every 15 years?

thurmas Nov 18, 2022 8:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy (Post 9794322)
Did he actually say that - "to please TSN?"

I don't think it's a good idea to switch playoff games to Saturdays. In 2008, during the middle of the CFL's last heyday, they league switched their playoff games to Saturdays and it was a disaster. Ratings decreased by 30-50% collectively. The following year, the league switched the playoff games (division semi-finals and finals) to Sundays and the ratings increased back to 2007 levels.

He didn't say to please tsn I added that but as mentioned here i think Saturday games would be a disaster I think Friday night would actually be better than Saturday

thurmas Nov 18, 2022 8:17 PM

Sure feels like tsn treats cfl like curling now and everything revolves around nfl.

esquire Nov 18, 2022 8:33 PM

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Originally Posted by thurmas (Post 9794342)
Sure feels like tsn treats cfl like curling now and everything revolves around nfl.

I guess it speaks to the value of the NFL to TSN. I mean, even the NHL takes a backseat to NFL coverage. There is no extended post game press conference coverage for hockey teams, not even for the Leafs and Habs, the way there is for a random Cleveland/Carolina TNF or whatever.

thurmas Nov 18, 2022 8:43 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 9794361)
I guess it speaks to the value of the NFL to TSN. I mean, even the NHL takes a backseat to NFL coverage. There is no extended post game press conference coverage for hockey teams, not even for the Leafs and Habs, the way there is for a random Cleveland/Carolina TNF or whatever.

Very true and I understand that as the NFL ratings are extremely good. However I see the production value rogers puts into blue jays games and thats something I would like to see tsn do with cfl games rather than the casino regina lounge singer singing Friday night football tonight with the same cheesy theme since 1998.

blueandgoldguy Nov 18, 2022 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thurmas (Post 9794342)
Sure feels like tsn treats cfl like curling now and everything revolves around nfl.

I have been hearing elsewhere that the CFL was convincing TSN to move the playoff games to Saturdays. Not 100% confirmed of course.

Regardless of who encouraged it, I think it will ultimately result in a decreased tv audience.


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