What do you think the chances are that the developer is also trying to acquire the two adjacent walk ups at 117-115? That would be absolutely ideal, as those need to go and would allow a wider building. In this situation I see Steinway hall essentially facadectomised and enveloped into the center of this tower. In this situation I believe a neo- traditional design would be ideal. I think it has the potential to be someone like RAM Stern's magnum opus.

From the plans, it looks like the landmarked portion of Steinway Hall will be some type of retail, with the tower rising above. There will only be 100 units available. I hope there is some sort of crown here.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JB...allbin=1023728

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Mechanical from 72-74 would probably indicate some type of crown, IMO.

I hope Amanda Burden really feels like the complete idiot she is, now.

Which is the true irony because Verre is the best looking out of anything going up now.

She'll be taller, though not by much, than One 57 (45' maybe?). Plus it's somewhat closer to Rockefeller Center; so I'm not sure if TV will necessarily get lost.

BTW Thanks once again to NYGuy for keeping me reassured in the midst of what I was starting to think was Greenspan's irrational exuberance meme rearing its head again. :cheers:

This was their thinking before the project expanded:



One day we won't be able to walk down 57th Street without looking up...


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http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/busi...ng-370403.html

The record is only going to get higher for the most expensive apartment/condo sold ever. Being higher than One57, and second to 432 Park Ave. with less units, they will probably use that to put a very high price on the penthouse or really the units themselves.

Err.. those 2 tenement buildings right next to Steinway hall need to go.

I love how tall this building is going to be but I don't think SHOP Architects is a great choice to design such a building. They are a great architect firm in my opinion but they only design Modern buildings. This building should be designed by Stern Architects because they have experience in building Art Deco like buildings..........

SHOP is the architect of record but that doesn't mean that they'll necessarily be designing it.

I thought it was an odd choice, given what Stern had said. But just because we haven't seen them do a "classic" skyscraper doesn't mean they can't. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what we get, but I think we'll likely get a really nice tower here.

Those tenement buildings can stay right where they are, and perhaps be renovated. Let's not go knocking down everything in the city in favor of what's new and modern . I guess you do not recall anything about the 1960s...Manhattan lost a lot of gems then -- like 'old' Penn Station for the 'new and modern' Penn station and Madison Square Garden!

I think we can safely classify those two buildings as NOT gems!! :P

I am so sorry but ... what's so special about these tenement buildings? Is it the color or what? Just go to the west side and you'll run into them in every block. The only difference is that it will be less colorful.

They're capable of it. Just look at their vision proposal for Penn Station and the surrounding district, they included a tower that had very classical lines (albeit with a modern twist, a la Ping An):

http://www.designboom.com/wp-content...ignboom-01.jpg
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They are no gems, but I don't find them horrible either. I think they add a sense of scale and character to the block. Some google earth views...


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But who knows what will happen the way things are going.



The so called "Gotham Tower", though it wouldn't fit very well here. Whatever the design, it will be a lot different than the other proposal they had just down the street...


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Besides the overall design of the tower, it will be interesting to see how the base of Steinway Hall is integrated into this new tower.

Some overhead from google earth showing proximity to One57...


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http://www.citylandnyc.org/opulent-p...rk/#more-19787

Opulent Piano Retail Space Considered as a Potential Interior Landmark
Owner’s representative expressed support for designation; testified that landmark would be preserved in context of planned larger development.


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07/31/2013

The inclusion of Steinway Hall greatly increases the footprint of this tower...

(Steinway Hall)

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So now it's essentially a 100' x 201' lot?

That's the size of the zoning lot, yes.

in a fantasy world, the steinway building would remain exactly as is.

It can now be classified as a through lot.

^This is gonna be one LEAN tower!
The best skyline in the world is about to get better!

Filings begin for demo inside Steinway Hall...

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...DLETopStories#

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...092833082.html

Insane... 43 feet thin and 1350 feet high.

:koko:

WOW! New York is on fire. These towers keep getting taller!

We need to see as many renders from as many perspectives, angles and distances as the firm of record can pump out. And they need to be crystal clear.

I mean my God in Heaven......just when you think....Nah, don't think. Thank the Landmarks Commission for their nonbinding okay, which should be formalized in the committee of the whole by the end of the week.....and let the details of this in-fucking-credible monument to skyscraper engineering technology unfurl.

It looks amazing so far.

A++

Its like 432 Park Ave went on a diet. This is incredible and a testament to engineering. Bravo!!!! :cheers:

This is amazing news! Both the height and design have exceeded my expectations. Makes up for what looks like a potential disappointment to the west at 225 W 57th.

A bigger picture has arrived! :D

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/JDSrender.jpg

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/0...r_unveiled.php

Wow.

Just.. Wow.

WOOOOOWWW.... 1350 FT / 411 meters? Insane! The design looks good. It will be interesting to see it from other angles.

1.) Someone needs to create a diagram of this to put on the NYC diagram. 2.) A mod needs to change the height for the tower in the thread. 3.) The picture of the building at the top also needs a refresh.

I'd worry that because it's so tall and thin, the building would be susceptible to significant sway from wind.

I know everyone seems to have goo goo eyes for this, it just doesn't work for me. These smoke stack towers along with 432 Park just seem TOO thin - so much so they no longer exude a proportional elegance.

I would be blown away by this tower if it straddled Steinway Hall and incorporated its facade in its base and gave us a tower in the range of 100-120 feet wide. I just don't think these pencil towers will make the skyline "more beautiful." More awkward maybe.

I think we have to keep an open mind on what tall buildings should look like in the 21st century.

We've all grown up on seeing what a typical tower should be. Maybe tall pencil thin towers are what the future will be. Remember, the human population is growing but the land area is not. Eventually, we will have to build up everywhere.

Most people don't pay attention to buildings in the city, but this tower will definitely grab people's attention. It might even be an attraction all in itself.

^ It will definitely do that.

As if we didn't know already, thin is in.


This will complement One57 very nicely.



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"The new tower must get approval from the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission..."

Could this be shortened or blocked??:uhh:

No.


Even the CB supports this.

Here's what the terracotta mullions on the east and west sides could look like. These are from the Guangzhou Chow Tai Fook Center.

http://www.kpf.com/projects/Project258/16059_hr.jpg
http://www.kpf.com/project.asp?ID=258

I suspect that rendering isn't the best view, due to the width of the lot (like the Tower Verre). I'm looking forward to more reveals.

As I said before, we need--for starters at least--an east/west view.
I'm not calling make-or-break or anything.
It's just to give us a better idea of the setback dimensions and the presumptive glass crown.

There're just so many details that need a closer look simply by virtue of this gem's slenderness. I scarcely know where to begin.

So far I don't really like the design. I don't really like the crown. It looks like a giant sheer glass wall. Plus the back side doesn't look like it has steps. This gives the building such an odd shape. The steps in the front doesn't really help since they are so uneven. I rather see this taken back to the drawing board. It could be better. I thought I could expect more from SHOP. However I do like the thin shape of the building and I think it's pretty cool that even though it's that thin it's literally the height of Two World Trade Center!!!!!!!!!!

I wish a spire could have been worked into the crown, but its fine enough without it. The increasing (it appears) setbacks recall a couple of skyscrapers to me...though this is a very different tower.


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I'm hoping that with the first release of the E/W view that the glass crown reveals a flame-tipped sort of shape.

There's not much to see to make a judgement on the building so i'll hold off on that, but I love those thin and tall towers popping up all over the city. For anybody familiar with French architect Le Courboisier, on his first visit to NYC, he said as much as he enjoyed the city's skyscrapers, he would've preferred if there were less but they were taller. I always thought that's how I envision the city in the future with taller towers taking less space at street level, making the city more enjoyable to walk around and gaze at the giant structures. Now these towers are built that way more because of their small footprints than for the sake of urban architecture but their impact on the skyline would be nonetheless the same. I can't wait a few years from now when there will be a few thin and pointy towers standing above the density of the New York skyline. Welcome to the future NYC!