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sandiego_urban May 11, 2007 8:54 PM

Regarding the crown of IM Pei, it doesn't really bother me. I think it would look even more bland if it wasn't there. At least that thing forces you to look up at it. ;)


Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 2828305)
SF Depot is a historic building and an architectural glimpse at San Diego hisotry I'm not in favor of taking away history to build sleek new towers, I think old and new can live together

I can't believe anyone would ever consider replacing the historic SF Depot in favor of something newer. :shrug: The MOCA San Diego just added a Richard Gluckman-designed annex to the building, so that building isn't going away anytime soon - thank goodness.

As you said, the station is a part of our history and I totally agree that old and new can (and should) live together. I think Downtown Chicago has done a great job of doing that.

sandiego_urban May 11, 2007 9:06 PM

Can we take a break from the renderings for a minute and admire the view? ;)
I took these from the top of Mt. Soledad in La Jolla the other day.

Looking North, with the fog hugging the coast below.

Sitting on the edge, high above the fog

Looking out towards downtown in the distance.

Looking towards the UTC area.

Enjoying lunch while admiring the view over Mission Bay

Ok.....back to talking about renderings.......

dl3000 May 11, 2007 10:17 PM

Wow downtown looks really full in those great pictures. Makes me wish there was a couple that stuck out above the rest, that would be ideal, right now its what we were expecting, a filled out plateau.

Regarding the Pei Cobb building, its pretty ridiculous that such a controversial architect could only come up with this, looks like the owners really did weigh in on the aesthetics. I think that the flared crown thing is trying to be a nod to the big cornices of the old original "skyscrapers" which themselves referenced the Italian Palazzos. Why this relates to the building's immediate vicinity, no idea. But yeah stately is a good word for it.

Heres an example of an older building in downtown with a big cornice. Pei Cobb just took out the ornamentation

Like has been previously said, the top looks like the architects realized after listening to the owner's requirements that they had a box on their hands but they promised an iconic building so they slapped something on top. They should do better. Fricken height limit.

OCtoSD May 11, 2007 11:13 PM

Good news, based on my desktop background from the water's perspective the new building will not black One America Plaza at all. It will block Santa Fe from that perspective, so no mission style tower anymore from the bay, but we keep OAP

dl3000 May 12, 2007 5:18 AM

That is pretty good news, though I'll miss seeing Santa Fe from the bay, it might be pretty cool to see it nestled between the buildings.

Derek May 12, 2007 5:32 AM


Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2828465)
I haven't seen them:(

Do you have any NBC renderings?


bmfarley May 12, 2007 5:41 AM


Originally Posted by dl3000 (Post 2830310)
That is pretty good news, though I'll miss seeing Santa Fe from the bay, it might be pretty cool to see it nestled between the buildings.

It was envitable that Santa Fe Depot would eventually get boxed in and lose its view to the Bay, or the Bay's view of it.

eburress May 12, 2007 5:48 AM


Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2830342)

The same ones we have all seen.

Derek May 12, 2007 5:56 AM

Oh alright, thanks E. I thought some new ones were released.

eburress May 13, 2007 9:25 AM

WTF is this sh!t????? I still can't get over it. This has got to be the worst "signature" tower in the history of EVER!!! And I'm not just saying that because I'm drunk!! What a big turd. Holy mother of crap -- what were you thinking, IM Pei???? Pei Cobb?? More like corn Cobb up your asses!!!

(I'm not happy about this building)

eburress May 13, 2007 9:26 AM

Grumble! :hell:

Derek May 13, 2007 2:58 PM

That was definitly an inspiration to us all! :jester:

El Güero May 13, 2007 4:57 PM

Hello all,

For all of you that have been wondering what those big cranes at the 32nd St. Naval Station are it is!!

From San Diego Metropolitan Magazine

Single Sailors To Get
Resort-Style Housing

The nation’s first large-scale military apartment project devoted exclusively to unmarried sailors — three buildings containing 941 two-bedroom apartments — is expected to break ground in the second quarter of 2006 at the 32nd Street Naval Station under a partnership between the Navy and Clark Realty, a Maryland-based real estate and construction company.

Clark Realty describes the tower, to be called Pacific Beacon, as the first phase of a 1,200-unit development that will ultimately house more than 2,400 sailors at Naval Station San Diego. Construction of the first phase is expected to be completed in 2008. The resort-style nature of the project is unusual for San Diego military installations.

Pacific Beacon will be built on 15 acres on the dry side of the 32nd Street Naval Station near Main Street. Each of the apartments will be shared by two sailors, although members of other military branches also may rent units. The residences will have open living areas, full kitchens, washer/dryers and balconies with views. Both bedrooms will have large walk-in closets and private bathrooms. The buildings also will contain entertainment, fitness and educational amenities.

“This project is part of the Navy’s Public Private Venture program, which allows the Navy to leverage Clark’s private-sector capital and expertise to develop, manage and improve military housing,” says Bill Geibler, marketing and communications executive with Clark. “The Navy is able to provide its men and women with the best housing the marketplace has to offer with a minimal tax-dollar investment.”

Each sailor living at Pacific Beacon receives a basic allowance for housing from the Navy, a market-based stipend that will be used as rent for the apartments. Rent payments include utility costs and basic renter insurance. “We were able to finance this project by issuing bonds on Wall Street, and these bonds are backed by the future revenue stream of the basic allowance for housing,” says Geibler.

Geibler says the Navy’s Public Private Ventures are long-term partnerships, not government contracts. Through a request-for-proposal process, the Navy chose Clark Realty to enter into negotiations for a 50-year equity partnership. Clark has chosen Pinnacle, a real estate investment management company headquartered in Seattle, to be project manager. Clark partnered with Lincoln Property Co. on Navy Region Southwest’s Gateway Village townhomes in Loma Portal.

Clark Realty’s plans for Naval Station San Diego also include improving exterior amenities at Palmer Hall, a 12-story building that houses about 1,000 single sailors dormitory-style. The company will add a 25-meter lap pool, a resort-style pool deck area and a clubhouse. Residents of Pacific Beacon will be able to share use of these facilities.

The housing is exclusively for single enlisted sailors E-4 and above, called “unaccompanied sailors” by the Navy. Geibler says it is the first project of its kind in the country.

Derek May 13, 2007 5:02 PM

^Thanks for that! Welcome to SSP.:)

El Güero May 13, 2007 5:23 PM

Thank you very much!:)

OCtoSD May 13, 2007 6:03 PM

would those buildings be south of downtown along the water, or where would they be exactly?

El Güero May 13, 2007 7:06 PM

It seems like they are constructing it on the golf course that was or is located along Main Street. Not exactly the best location on earth, but hopefully this will promote even more redevelopment in the area.

Derek May 14, 2007 2:08 AM

The Broadway Pier was all torn up today. Is this a sign of good things to come?

HurricaneHugo May 14, 2007 2:37 AM

I wish those towers didn't all look the same.

But still, good.

Derek May 14, 2007 3:39 AM

^At least they look nice! :)

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