It's not a matter if being "thin", it's the exclamation point on the dramatic skyline. 432 Park Avenue is certainly thin, but it's the most boring way to crown this magnificent skyline. Put anything on top, and it's a different tower. The Steinway Tower will be thin, but it is a spire unto itself as it tapers and "feathers" into nothing.

This building is fine as it is for lesser skylines, but NY deserves and demands dramatic icons. It's why all the great towers that crowned our skyline over the years didn't simply rise into the sky and quit. It's why people are still bitchin about the removal of 3 WTC's spires, even though it sits in the shadow of the most dominant spire of them all. The original Twins were forgiven (mostly) because they served as counters to each other. Just one of those towers alone however, would have been a different matter.

Barnett said early on there would be no spire, and an earlier version of this tower didn't have one, but it did have that tapered peak that separates the taller, distinguished towers from the mass of boxes that make up the vast majority of the skyline.

I don't expect we will get a spire here, but it certainly needs one.

nice.

I'm abstaining here.

Valid points on both sides abound; plus (until we see our first render of 80 South and whether they go spire or not) a spire here would make it a bookend with 1WTC, with ESB in the middle.

IMHO, the spire/no spire thing might just be resolved at the last minute to our surprise. Haven't we been thrown interesting curveballs before?

You can never figure Barnett out. I'm guessing we're not likely to get a spire, but it wouldn't shock me if we did. That being said, I do expect the building to look ok, with a nice facade. The facade is what will make this one, but it's not something that's important on the skyline.




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I'm sort of amazed at how fast this thing is finally going up.

Yes, before long it will be passing 220 Central Park South. Then people will really start to notice it's not just another NY tower going up.

What street is that taken from? Is that Broadway? I'm hoping to be up in New York next Saturday, and I'd like to see that angle for myself.

Yep, Broadway north of Times Square.

https://ny.curbed.com/2018/1/19/1690...e-ryan-serhant

Central Park Tower’s elusive condos aren’t on the market, but they’re selling
A noteworthy broker says he’s sold one of the 1,550-foot building’s multimillion dollar condos


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they are really chucking out the stealth, exculsive, word of mouth type hype at this point lol.

Yeah, for me I can never get enough renderings. I'm surprised there still isn't a render on site. But just when I think I have an idea of what exactly this tower will look like, I get another impression. I think a lot is riding on exactly what the facade will look like, which I think will look nice. I don't want to see a mockup, I want to see the facade in place, enough to get a look at the reflective surfaces, how it plays with the rest of the buildings in the surroundings.

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I had been under the assumption that the part jutting on to the right of the building would be resting on top of something different, not just hanging out there in the open.

It'll be like that for most of it's height...


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Those pictures are cool, it looks like 220 central park south's crane is on the courtyard Marriott's crown which looks like a separate building all to itself. Also that's a really cool drawing in post 5068 I wish I could draw like that lol

I wonder how common these cantilevers over adjacent lots are going to become. There is something kind of futuristic about it.

Is this thing really gonna have 131 floors?

131 figure is marking floors. It will be 95 real floors.

I could see them become common if there is a land marked structure nearby and the dimensions of an assemblage either surround it or form a sort of T-Shaped. It really depends on the aim and specs of the design and the intention.

Also, to use all of the air rights from an adjacent parcel (if sold by the untouchable structure's owner or administration in question) without damaging or touching "X" land marked structure.

As a side note, landmark structures can be modified or incorporated into a new structure... BUT... it must be approved by the Landmarks Preservation Commission. Which depending on the property, may or may not be an easy thing to do.

NY guy.....A few questions if you could indulge me, please? Your input would be most valuable to me in the near future when I am ready to purchase in one of these new supertalls. The wait is killing me, plus I am about to have a melt down living right on The High Line @ 520, the newish Cary building. I can no longer stand the thousands of tourists walking by looking in my place snapping thousands of pictures from sun up to sun down. I think the interior of my home has been viewed by over half of the world by this point. My furnishings are to kill for but come on now....enough is enough!!!!
Main question? In your above picture #5069, what is the name of the building that is on the FAR left of the picture 'frame'. The one with the white irregular rectangles/squares that is not quite finished? It seems to have brown supports or scaffolding on the uppermost 14 floors?
Is there any chance you know the name as well as the address? Out of all buildings in this area, that one is SCREAMING BUY ME, BUY ME.
I will be buying a unit, hopefully there once I get the name & addy to locate the agency handling sales and I have more info on it.
BTW. YOUR pics are by FAR the best and most detailed on the forum. Thank You personally for bringing us up close pictures of these monster buildings! It sets my mind in motion seeing each of your outstanding pics.
Might you have albums of all of your pics in one place for easier viewing?
And finally, when I do buy in one of these new supertalls (this is a confirmed guarantee that I am purchasing at least one unit in one of these new buildings) you are cordially invited to share a bottle of Veuve Cliquot Yellow Label with me on day one in my new unit....furnished or not.... in payment for sharing your amazing pics with all of us. Just think of the possibilities which would be open for you this far in the sky!!
One more...do you photograph interiors of apartments throughout the city for RE purposes on I have completed staging for sale? As many units I have bought and sold over the past ten years here in NYC, I have yet to find just ONE capable and talented photographer that can make the sales process that much easier. In a city of this magnitude, one would think there would be an abundance of capable interior photographers but that is not the case.
Thanks for your time and I await your response. Brody.

Inquiring minds want to know what your occupation is to be able to afford a luxury unit in any of these towers?

Wow these pics really put into perspective how close this tower is to reaching 1000 feet now. What is that? 50 feet below 220 CPS?

Maybe 50 meters would have been a closer guess but hey, we're getting there :cheers:

Its about 800 ft. Cityspire as a reference which is 814'.

my guess is international bon vivant. :cool:

There's an active thread on the construction of that one, which was the site of the Roseland Ballroom...

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=208661


Most recent pics of ths one, as well as older pics can be found here...

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And of course I am open to all viewings...;)

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I really want to like this tower given the roof height and bringing back the tallest to NY (no I don't count the needle on 1WTC), but the box design and the glass so far are not looking great. I always remain optimistic, so hopefully the finished product when viewed with the other rising towers will look great. I do think the spire that was on the original design would have completed this tower better and giving some more diversity to the overall look. The cantilever is an interesting design, but that isn't obvious on the skyline view - mostly only from the local Central Park south and 57st views.

Maybe it is just the feeling that the "tallest" should have a little better design or eye catching features. However, I guess I'm not a developer trying to make the most money off of the condos as possible. Probably also says how spoiled we are in this area that we can complain about a tower of this size when so many cities don't even have a single tower over 1,000 ft and there are double digit towers in the city right now rising to that height or much higher. End rant ... still hoping they surprise us with the spire.

Well, that glass isn't visible yet. I suspect that will be the nicest thing on this tower. It's good height still, but as the tallest, at least in Midtown, it should be something more than a box.

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By some very very rough estimates, I'm guessing it's standing somewhere around 240m right now.

My apologies for not noticing your comment before!
I worked for years as a Trader on Wall Street (started at age 21 with the help of my Uncle who also worked in the business all of his life). After two decades of that high pressure job, I worked as a Banking Executive before going into RE investment business.... first as a part time 'hobby weekend job' then full time when all of these new luxury towers started popping up everywhere.
The return on your RE investment is outrageous if you are able to partner with a few developers who need financial investors to turn their plans into reality. I have been extremely fortunate to have partnered with some of the best and most talented development teams over the past ten years.
I will stay in this business at least for the next ten years if the market for luxe units stays high and these mega towers continue to reach for the sky. I knew once properties started to be built fronting Central Park, investing at the start of the building process was the way to go. And so far that is holding true.
I have also purchased a number of buildings that are being converted as well as many turn key units that I utilize as rentals. There are SO many people who are skeptical of the market fluctuations so they continue to rent while staying in Manhattan. The old rent vs buy discussions on Curbed are so worn out as everyone living in Manhattan knows that rents will continue to climb to stratospheric heights for at least the next decade.
In NYC, it is either continue to rent, buy now and hope for unit appreciation so you might flip and move up in the market or move to the outer boroughs and continue to rent.... which many younger people do once they get married and start planning on children.
Thanks for your inquiry! Being a new poster here I didn't want to really reveal too much info but I thought why not, right? Of course revealing this fact comes with its drawbacks as you might have seen with a couple of recent rude comments/exchanges.
I have decided to refuse to participate in those kinds of exchanges in the future just to keep my nose clean!

Thank You for your continual civilized and gracious replies and your outrageous and informative photos. They certainly give all of us Real Estate and Construction junkies so much material to dream about!

Wow! Looking good! Keep it up the great work. Hopefully it should be completely sometime in 2020 or so.

Bruddah looks to be between somewhere around 875' from those pics...About 100' past mid-way(!) to the top.

(220CPS @ 952'--topped out, I assume--as frame of reference)

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Grape.

Googlie.

Mooglie?

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Bump: No tracing was done in the making of that drawing. Not. One. Iota.

I think we all agree that the crown could use a little pizzazz as opposed to the boxy flat roof we expect it to have as of now. A friend of mine showed me renderings for an earlier version of the tower. It had a similar tapering crown to One57 and the cantilever was smoothly blended into the side of the tower. It was a very graceful design. This boxy version is much more... practical I guess. That's the best word I can use to describe the building thus far. Still, it's not a bad building by any means.

Except for means of being on the NY skyline. I think it's a fine building for a building. But there is nothing to it that excites. It's massing is too awkward.
I think the facade is what will save it from being a terrible building, and will actually look nice.

For previous version though, this one remains my favorite...simple, smooth, and elegant.


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But it was not to be, and this one continues to rise...



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Yes NYGuy, That was the design I saw. It's much better. I saw renderings of it from the park and it kind of echoed One57's lighting.