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thewave46 Aug 25, 2022 3:33 PM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 9711506)
I don't think this will affect YVR-LGW on WS. It's once daily, and that is with all of WS's feed as well, I think they can make it work. In the past, there used to be Air Transat, Thomas Cook, MyTravel, Zoom, so many different carriers on the London route. In addition to the steady BA and AC flights. So having BA add 6x to LGW should hardly push WS out. Would be nice if they kept the A380 and had the 777 to LGW, but oh well if not. I'm sure those A380s aren't long for this world anyways, sadly

I think the A380 might have a longer career at BA than one might expect. Heathrow is a congested airport and a new runway is years away still, so those very large airplanes can haul a lot of passengers per takeoff/landing slot. They were using 747s until the pandemic caused their early retirement.

I am curious about Westjet’s plan for the 787, as it seemed they were planning be exclusively running them from Calgary in the long-term. Perhaps they might still keep the summer seasonal Gatwick route?

casper Aug 25, 2022 6:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9711791)
I think the A380 might have a longer career at BA than one might expect. Heathrow is a congested airport and a new runway is years away still, so those very large airplanes can haul a lot of passengers per takeoff/landing slot. They were using 747s until the pandemic caused their early retirement.

I am curious about Westjet’s plan for the 787, as it seemed they were planning be exclusively running them from Calgary in the long-term. Perhaps they might still keep the summer seasonal Gatwick route?

I think they planned to get rid of their Toronto based crews on the 787 and only have a crew base in Calgary for the 787. The have never had a Vancouver crew base and have had no problem operating flights from Vancouver using their Calgary based crew.

nname Aug 25, 2022 7:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9711791)
I am curious about Westjet’s plan for the 787, as it seemed they were planning be exclusively running them from Calgary in the long-term. Perhaps they might still keep the summer seasonal Gatwick route?

I think it's all depend on how many LHR slots they will get for the next summer.

If they still only got 4x weekly, then definitely they'll keep LGW. If they get enough slot for a daily YYC and maybe a few weekly for YVR, I don't think they'll stay in LGW.

They already pulled out of LGW for the winter when they got a daily LHR slot for YYC.

YYCguys Aug 25, 2022 7:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 9712105)
I think it's all depend on how many LHR slots they will get for the next summer.

If they still only got 4x weekly, then definitely they'll keep LGW. If they get enough slot for a daily YYC and maybe a few weekly for YVR, I don't think they'll stay in LGW.

They already pulled out of LGW for the winter when they got a daily LHR slot for YYC.

That’s a shame about LGW. It’s quite convenient for onwards ground public transportation from there to the south and also to Victoria station.

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Dominion301 Aug 26, 2022 7:38 PM

Jetlines are making it up on the fly. Originally Monday-to-Friday to YWG and YQM out of YYZ, then a reduction and sporadic schedule to both places and now twice weekly to YYC. They'll be lucky to make it to Christmas with so little revenue coming in. Even a "power-by-the-hour" contract on their 320 will leave them losing buckets of cash.

Pellimo Aug 26, 2022 7:53 PM

Air France is going back to YQB next year...

The flights are full.

Same schedule

thewave46 Aug 26, 2022 8:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9713364)
Jetlines are making it up on the fly. Originally Monday-to-Friday to YWG and YQM out of YYZ, then a reduction and sporadic schedule to both places and now twice weekly to YYC. They'll be lucky to make it to Christmas with so little revenue coming in. Even a "power-by-the-hour" contract on their 320 will leave them losing buckets of cash.

Heh. The thing that actually will kill Jetlines is actually flying.

So, Jetlines gone by Christmas, and Lynx by the Spring? Flair's ability to remain upright continues to surprise.

Calfan12 Aug 26, 2022 8:50 PM

Looks like from September 13 to until December 16 2022 the Salt Lake City SLC - Calgary YYC 1x daily flights on Delta Airlines is operated by a mix of Airbus A319/320 planes, which is increase of seats.

As currently SLC- YYC flight route is operated by Embraer 175.

Calfan12 Aug 26, 2022 9:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9713364)
Jetlines are making it up on the fly. Originally Monday-to-Friday to YWG and YQM out of YYZ, then a reduction and sporadic schedule to both places and now twice weekly to YYC. They'll be lucky to make it to Christmas with so little revenue coming in. Even a "power-by-the-hour" contract on their 320 will leave them losing buckets of cash.

Actually the Calgary YYC - Toronto YYZ route on Canada Jetlines is up to 4x weekly from October 13. But it 2x weekly to start off in September 2022.

Calfan12 Aug 26, 2022 9:10 PM

Great & good luck Canada Jetlines. Not surprising that they decided Calgary YYC- Toronto YYZ, route as their 1st Domestic route in Canada, instead of Winnipeg YWG/ Moncton YQM that was (previously) planned.

YYC - YYZ is good start for CJL, as they’re larger business & tourism markets year round compared to YWG/YQM.

LeftCoaster Aug 26, 2022 9:25 PM

Tourism markets year round?

I'm pretty sure there are about 7 tourists in total in Calgary in October...

Jetlines is doing their best to make Flair look competent.

peytol Aug 26, 2022 9:45 PM

The only good thing about this plan is the flights will be empty so they should be able to figure out how to run an airline in the slowest season.

Are they and ULCC? Their instagram says they are "value focused" and their website is not clear. Im not really sure what they are bringing to the market that would incite someone to fly on them vs WJ AC or flair.

JakeLRS Aug 26, 2022 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by peytol (Post 9713534)
The only good thing about this plan is the flights will be empty so they should be able to figure out how to run an airline in the slowest season.

Are they and ULCC? Their instagram says they are "value focused" and their website is not clear. Im not really sure what they are bringing to the market that would incite someone to fly on them vs WJ AC or flair.

Peaked on their website, it’s hard to find but it looks like carry ons are included alongside complementary non alcoholic drinks.

They are going for the classic Westjet model, hence why their intro fares are higher than lynx/flair.

Flair did well by saturating the market with a variety of routes while lynx opted to go for high frequencies at launch. I really don’t know what Jetlines is trying to do here.

Calfan12 Aug 26, 2022 11:07 PM

U.S. suspends 26 Chinese flights in response to China flight cancellations. The U.S. government said on Thursday it will suspend 26 China-bound flights from the United States by four Chinese carriers in response to the Chinese government's decision to suspend some U.S. carrier flights over Covid-19 cases.

The decision will affect flights by Xiamen, Air China, China Southern Airlines and China Eastern Airlines from Sept. 5 to Sept. 28. The U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT) cited the recent cancellation of 26 American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines flights over Covid-19 cases.

The suspensions include 19 China-bound flights from Los Angeles and 7 China Eastern flights from New York.

The Chinese Embassy in Washington's spokesperson Liu Pengyu said the USDOT action was "extremely irresponsible" and "groundlessly suspended Chinese airline flights."

The embassy said China's Covid-19 "circuit breaker" measures were fair and transparent, applied both to Chinese and foreign airlines and were consistent with bilateral air transportation agreements.

USDOT said as of Aug. 7 Chinese authorities had revised their policies so if the number of passengers on a flight to China testing positive for Covid-19 reached 4% of the total, one flight would be suspended. If it reached 8%, two flights would be suspended.

USDOT said the U.S. has repeatedly raised objections with China, saying the rules place "undue culpability on carriers" when travelers test negative before boarding their flight from the United States only to "test positive for Covid-19 after their arrival in China."

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/08/26/...na-flight.html

I wonder (if) there are any disagreements similar that are quietly playing out between Transport Canada & China behind close doors?

hehehe Aug 27, 2022 1:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9713589)
U.S. suspends 26 Chinese flights in response to China flight cancellations. The U.S. government said on Thursday it will suspend 26 China-bound flights from the United States by four Chinese carriers in response to the Chinese government's decision to suspend some U.S. carrier flights over Covid-19 cases.

The decision will affect flights by Xiamen, Air China, China Southern Airlines and China Eastern Airlines from Sept. 5 to Sept. 28. The U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT) cited the recent cancellation of 26 American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines flights over Covid-19 cases.

The suspensions include 19 China-bound flights from Los Angeles and 7 China Eastern flights from New York.

The Chinese Embassy in Washington's spokesperson Liu Pengyu said the USDOT action was "extremely irresponsible" and "groundlessly suspended Chinese airline flights."

The embassy said China's Covid-19 "circuit breaker" measures were fair and transparent, applied both to Chinese and foreign airlines and were consistent with bilateral air transportation agreements.

USDOT said as of Aug. 7 Chinese authorities had revised their policies so if the number of passengers on a flight to China testing positive for Covid-19 reached 4% of the total, one flight would be suspended. If it reached 8%, two flights would be suspended.

USDOT said the U.S. has repeatedly raised objections with China, saying the rules place "undue culpability on carriers" when travelers test negative before boarding their flight from the United States only to "test positive for Covid-19 after their arrival in China."

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/08/26/...na-flight.html

I wonder (if) there are any disagreements similar that are quietly playing out between Transport Canada & China behind close doors?

I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened in Canada. Hopefully it doesn't affect tpac recovery in Vancouver.

LO 044 Aug 27, 2022 3:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9713500)
Great & good luck Canada Jetlines. Not surprising that they decided Calgary YYC- Toronto YYZ, route as their 1st Domestic route in Canada, instead of Winnipeg YWG/ Moncton YQM that was (previously) planned.

YYC - YYZ is good start for CJL, as they’re larger business & tourism markets year round compared to YWG/YQM.

Similar to the responses you receive on the YYC forum, I’ll jump on in. I can’t decide if you are a bot or a troll. You will probably be the only passenger on these Jetlines flights. Your opinions are akin to Jetlines running an airline.

Who even owns Jetlines? Did they get their experience playing Aerobiz on the Super Nintendo? I agree with everyone well except Calfan of course. Can we think of a worse possible start to running an airline? I’m trying to remember Greyhound airline and how they were run lol.

Calfan12 Aug 27, 2022 9:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LO 044 (Post 9713764)
Similar to the responses you receive on the YYC forum, I’ll jump on in. I can’t decide if you are a bot or a troll. You will probably be the only passenger on these Jetlines flights. Your opinions are akin to Jetlines running an airline.

Who even owns Jetlines? Did they get their experience playing Aerobiz on the Super Nintendo? I agree with everyone well except Calfan of course. Can we think of a worse possible start to running an airline? I’m trying to remember Greyhound airline and how they were run lol.

Well everyone is allowed to have a opinion on things/ regarding airlines routes,like it or not.

My 1st opinion is Calgary YYC- Toronto YYZ in Canada is a profitable route year round compared to a Winnipeg YWG/ Moncton YQM & 2nd opinion about it is 1 of the top reasons why (CJL) Canada Jetlines chose YYC - YYZ as its 1st Domestic route.

JakeLRS Aug 27, 2022 5:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9713840)
Well everyone is allowed to have a opinion on things/ regarding airlines routes,like it or not.

My 1st opinion is Calgary YYC- Toronto YYZ in Canada is a profitable route year round

Bingo.

Why did Lynx start with YYZ-YYC and increase capacity? Why did Flair increase frequency on this route? Because its an extremely profitable and successful route, similar to YYZ-YVR.

casper Aug 27, 2022 6:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LO 044 (Post 9713764)
Similar to the responses you receive on the YYC forum, I’ll jump on in. I can’t decide if you are a bot or a troll. You will probably be the only passenger on these Jetlines flights. Your opinions are akin to Jetlines running an airline.

Who even owns Jetlines? Did they get their experience playing Aerobiz on the Super Nintendo? I agree with everyone well except Calfan of course. Can we think of a worse possible start to running an airline? I’m trying to remember Greyhound airline and how they were run lol.

Greyhound was an interesting airline. They used Winnipeg as a an actual hub where passengers transferred. Their aircraft would start in major cities out east, arrive in Winnipeg as a bank. You could transfer. The aircraft would then leave to their western destinations. Then fly the reverse in the afternoon. The expectation was most passengers were doing a transfer in Winnipeg. People did not trust them to operate aircraft with no past track record, they wet-leased the aircraft from Kelowna flightcraft who had a proven track record.

All of these ULCC are almost useless for most Canadian unless they are extremely flexible with their travel needs. If I am in Victoria I can only travel to Toronto on the two or three days the airline choses to operate a non-stop. I can fly to Edmonton most days but not all. The idea that a 737-800 sized aircraft is the right size for this type of point-to-point flying in Canada is silly.

Hopefully Jetlines follows the WestJet, Air Canada and Porter model.


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