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trhgr Jun 15, 2021 1:22 PM

About South Keys
 
I found this article this morning:
https://beyondtheautomobile.com/2021...h-keys-centre/

J.OT13 Jun 17, 2021 9:41 AM

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Originally Posted by trhgr (Post 9311966)

South Keys has huge potential of becoming a mini-downtown hub, served by two O-Train stations. From the link, here's the current plans from 2015:

https://mattpinderblog.files.wordpre...06/image-6.png

Owners of South Keys Mall, "Smart" Centres, is redeveloping Vaughan Metropolitain Center into this:

https://www.smartcentres.com/app/upl...1-1024x788.jpg

eltodesukane Jun 17, 2021 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by J.OT13 (Post 9314182)
South Keys has huge potential of becoming a mini-downtown hub, served by two O-Train stations.

Too bad we still don't have double-tracking on this line.
Will there ever be? Not for this generation it seems.

J.OT13 Jun 17, 2021 1:04 PM

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Originally Posted by eltodesukane (Post 9314195)
Too bad we still don't have double-tracking on this line.
Will there ever be? Not for this generation it seems.

Trillium has a history of extremely slow and painful upgrades. I'm sure double tracking will happen at some point, but no timeline has been established. It will all depend on ridership/capacity.

Pre-pandemic, I was fairly confident capacity would be reached quickly with Stage 2. Post-pandemic, I'm not quite as sure.

The City doesn't need to double track the entire line at once. North of the Dow's Lake tunnel will happen in part (could happen in full) by 2028 in time for the opening of the new Civic, but that may not do anything for overall capacity. Double tracking Walkley seems to be the next step to increase frequencies from 12 to 10 minutes, which would represent a 20% capacity increase. I assume Mooney's Bay/Ellwood would be next after that.

Note that the 2013 "upgrades" were suppose to increase frequencies from 15 to 8 minutes, but that failed miserably. The best they could do was 12 minutes.

Truenorth00 Jun 17, 2021 2:52 PM

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Originally Posted by eltodesukane (Post 9314195)
Too bad we still don't have double-tracking on this line.
Will there ever be? Not for this generation it seems.

Goes along with the likelihood that South Keys will be a sea of asphalt for most of our lives.

Catenary Jun 17, 2021 4:53 PM

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Originally Posted by J.OT13 (Post 9314235)
Trillium has a history of extremely slow and painful upgrades. I'm sure double tracking will happen at some point, but no timeline has been established. It will all depend on ridership/capacity.

Pre-pandemic, I was fairly confident capacity would be reached quickly with Stage 2. Post-pandemic, I'm not quite as sure.

The City doesn't need to double track the entire line at once. North of the Dow's Lake tunnel will happen in part (could happen in full) by 2028 in time for the opening of the new Civic, but that may not do anything for overall capacity. Double tracking Walkley seems to be the next step to increase frequencies from 12 to 10 minutes, which would represent a 20% capacity increase. I assume Mooney's Bay/Ellwood would be next after that.

Note that the 2013 "upgrades" were suppose to increase frequencies from 15 to 8 minutes, but that failed miserably. The best they could do was 12 minutes.

I sometimes wonder what the maximum frequency would be if we double tracked everything except the Dow's lake tunnel. I have to imagine that we could get it down to 3 minutes or less with the right rolling stock and signaling. Everything else is comparatively much easier.

TransitZilla Jun 17, 2021 6:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00 (Post 9314327)
Goes along with the likelihood that South Keys will be a sea of asphalt for most of our lives.

Truenorth- you're becoming as positive as Uhuniau. :D :notacrook:

There's a 12-storey building proposed nearby, and I fully expect to see a proposal for the area between the transit station and the cinema (and possibly including the cinema) any time now.

Truenorth00 Jun 17, 2021 8:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bradnixon (Post 9314593)
Truenorth- you're becoming as positive as Uhuniau. :D :notacrook:

I'm far more sympathetic to his frustrations these days. This city seems to have a steady track record of talking more than building. And after over a decade here, it's starting to wear on me.

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Originally Posted by bradnixon (Post 9314593)
There's a 12-storey building proposed nearby, and I fully expect to see a proposal for the area between the transit station and the cinema (and possibly including the cinema) any time now.

Cool. so like 3000 sq ft of asphalt will be developed over the next few years. Totally changes the character of the place....

TransitZilla Jun 18, 2021 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00 (Post 9314748)

Cool. so like 3000 sq ft of asphalt will be developed over the next few years. Totally changes the character of the place....

Need to start somewhere.

eltodesukane Jun 18, 2021 1:26 PM

Another place where I often walk unfortunately has many sq ft of asphalt.
Near the corner of Greenbank Rd. & Bateman Dr.
Should really be a park, but when parking is needed, parking has priority.
https://i.imgur.com/KFIbeVc.jpg

OTownandDown Jun 18, 2021 4:56 PM

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Originally Posted by eltodesukane (Post 9315264)
Another place where I often walk unfortunately has many sq ft of asphalt.
Near the corner of Greenbank Rd. & Bateman Dr.
Should really be a park, but when parking is needed, parking has priority.
https://i.imgur.com/KFIbeVc.jpg

Somebody tell Otto's BMW about the extra parking!

Uhuniau Jun 19, 2021 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00 (Post 9314748)
I'm far more sympathetic to his frustrations these days. This city seems to have a steady track record of talking more than building. And after over a decade here, it's starting to wear on me.

RIGHT??!?!? :)

But you know what? They aren't even "talking" any more, at least not "talking" in any ways, about any things, that would really fix the things that bug me about what passes for urbanism in Ottawa.


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